Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Lana M. Gibbons
Yes. I have been privileged to have access to something that when I've tried to explain what it is, comes out very techno-babble (I work in computers). I've referred to it as a server cluster of minds - a cluster is a setup in which computers share spare resources to communally think on the same

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Lana M. Gibbons
This is the very issue - to be Zen is to be frozen, cold, selfish to those who are still stuck in dualism. They can not fathom, in their context of the world, that it is possible for someone to believe/support/accept/embody polar opposites. They do not realize the best compassion is given

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Lana M. Gibbons
[Bill!] Why does this attitude of other people make you sad? If what you say is true then your very life is providing them with an example of a content human being. You can do no more unless they specifically ask you for guidance. Because they can not understand I am (usually) content.

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Lana M. Gibbons
For me the issue is not location, it has nothing to do with noise or hustle-bustle. It has to do with non-superficial interaction with people, which I guess in and of itself is the issue because that is not the Way. Thank you for the realization. -Lana We are here to add what we can to life,

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Lana M. Gibbons
In my experience, there is an innate knowing when encountering another person currently occupying the same mind as you do. -Lana We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life. - William Osler On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill,

Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices

2010-11-25 Thread ED
Anthony, My reading and yours is that samadhi precedes kenso/satori. I would like to see how JMJM justifies his statement that kensho/satori precedes samadhi. I am under the impression that Bill asserts that samadhi is no other than kensho-satori. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ED
Anthony, A human succeeds in fulfilling the three essential goals of 'eat, survive , reproduce' is due to the power of his 'ego' to focus on them. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: ED, You say: if babies had no egos, the only babies who survived for

[Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-25 Thread ED
Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone? A mother who really cares for her child will put on her own oxygen mask first. On the other hand, The life of an enlightened being is like the shadow of a bird on water. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Bill,

Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices

2010-11-25 Thread ED
Anthony, I notice that JMJM in one of his more recent posts agrees with the samadhi, kensho, satori temporal sequence. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: Anthony, My reading and yours is that samadhi precedes kenso/satori. I would like to see how JMJM

[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-25 Thread ED
The historical records required for a complete, accurate account of early Ch¨¢n history no longer exist.[ Theories about the influence of other schools in the evolution of Ch¨¢n are widely variable and rely heavily on speculative correlation rather than on written records or histories. Some

Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices

2010-11-25 Thread ED
JMJM, Emptiness maybe, but more pertinent to our discussion, according to Bill, they should not be of interest to anyone else as they are not *their* experience. --ED PS: I do not necessarily disagree with Bill. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: Ed, Correct.

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Babies do not split life into self and other. Also they do not get distracted by abstract worries. They are fully present in the moment. They are not much concerned with stuff outside of their own internal needs, but that is appropriate. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On

[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-25 Thread ED
JMJM, Here are some thoughts from a Zen Teacher's Dharma Talk on the subject of breathing during zazen: Breath is a core component of zazen. Gently settle your breath into its natural rhythm. Start your in-breathing from the base of the abdomen. Feel the diaphragm rise and fall. Without

[Zen] Re: New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ED
In one way or another, in effect, babies are almost entirely focused on me-me-me, that is they are continually looking for food and a comfortable environment, with no regard for anything or anyone else. This 'selfishness' has nothing to do with any carry-over from previous lives. Babies have

Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices

2010-11-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Ed, True. In the world of words, instead of emptiness, I prefer to use the phrase of incomplete. Every perspective is a valid one, just incomplete. Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 11/25/2010 6:50 AM, ED wrote: JMJM,

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Ed, There are several levels of belly breathing. * At the beginning, we recommend practitioner to breathe with intended large volume breathing, especially those can not even breathe with belly. * For a month or two, when they are able to breathe with their belly, then we

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
It is very easy to feel there is no difference between self and other while alone, whether under a tree outside or in a server room. Maintaining that understanding while a person that knows you well and is really mad at you and is in some conflict with you is a different challenge. I

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Perhaps Chris is trying to say that our sufferings are often caused by having expectations of others, while babies do not.Our job in this life is to practice Six Act of Perfection without expectation. :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Ed, In the year 600, XuanZang, a most famous Chinese monk, well-respected Buddhism scholar, went to India in search for Yogacarabhumi sutra, (not sure of its correct name). Chan practice contains many similar parallels to yoga. I.e. in our school we have Dong Chan, or Chan exercise, in

Re: [Zen] Re: New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
An for a baby, that is right action, perfectly suitable to the conditions. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 25, 2010, at 7:32, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: In one way or another, in effect, babies are almost entirely focused on me-me-me, that is they are

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Maria Lopez
Lana:   Yes, you have a point here and agree.  I often have experienced the same.  At the same time and this is not addressed personal to you as criticism of any kind but purely as a meanings of sharing with the Buddha in you,  in me,  and every body else.   A person who

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Lana M. Gibbons
There is a difference between being cold and being thought of as cold. -Lana We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life. - William Osler On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.comwrote: *Lana:* *Yes, you have a point

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Lana M. Gibbons
I have no one that knows me well. -Lana We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life. - William Osler On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:48 AM, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.netwrote: It is very easy to feel there is no difference between self and other while

[Zen] Ego, dharma, search, etc.

2010-11-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi All, Just got this from one of our practitioners. I translate some phrases which I enjoyed for your reference... (warning... all translations are incomplete..) Written by FaRon Chan Master of NiuTou Mountain... Later passed to Japan became TianDai Lineage.

Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices

2010-11-25 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   JM realized he had mistaken samadhi for sama sambuddha.   Anthony --- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices To: zen_foru...@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 9:33 PM  

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-25 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   You say: Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone?   My suggestion: fly to Dharamsala and ask Dalai Lama. (It is an essential mahayana teaching that you should help others before helping yourself.)   Anthony --- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED

[Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv!

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I really enjoy interacting with the zen forum. It is entertaining and educational (in the old sense, to be led out of myself). I bow to the ten directions in gratitude. May the winds of this day find all of you well! Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-25 Thread Lluís Mendieta
Hi, Ed, Anthony To help the others you should be able. Without the oxygen mask, you could not help. Extrem: only an oxygen mask. Well, probably I will renounce to it on behalf of anyone that is in my heart ( (yes, attachement. But compassion is also attachement, as I understand) Any listizen

Re: [Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv!

2010-11-25 Thread Lluís Mendieta
Hi, Chris I am used to 4 or a multiple of for directions of wind. 10? May you be so kind to explain which ones to an ignorant? With best wishes Lluís - Original Message - From: ChrisAustinLane To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:38 PM Subject:

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread Anthony Wu
Chris,   You are saying babies are good zen practitioners. As Jodi said, dogs are as well.   Anthony --- On Thu, 25/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-25 Thread Anthony Wu
Llius,   It is impossible to transcend words, unless you wanted to go lower than my IQ.   Anthony --- On Fri, 26/11/10, Lluís Mendieta lme...@intermail.es wrote: From: Lluís Mendieta lme...@intermail.es Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 26

Re: [Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv!

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I was mixing metaphors there. 10 directions is traditional in zen sutras for all the world. (north, south, east, west, ne, se, nw, sw up and d I am at a beach along California highway 1, a windy beautiful place. The winds of the world flow all along without discrimination, and sending thanks

Re: [Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv!

2010-11-25 Thread Lluís Mendieta
Thanks, Chris I did not consider up and down... Anthony, you see, very low IQ... :-) With best wishes Lluís - Original Message - From: ChrisAustinLane To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 2:37 AM Subject: Re: