Makya,
It sounds like you've fixed it - but probably only for Mike's postings. You
might have the same problem with other postings of other people. If you
suspect something like this do check your SPAM settings as Edgar suggested.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez
Steve,
when you are deconditioning yourself to these bad habits, are you aware
also of their source? Why is anger so negative in your mind?
I feel through my own efforts of deconditioning have proven faulty in the
sense that spontaneous action has a more honest effect in at least showing
me
...*smiles/laughter*...It sometimes does have its draw-backs..
Speaking of music lately, I've been getting myself involved in what's called
Early Music..along the lines of Europe's Feudal, Medieval, and Renaissance
music, and I attended my first concert a few weeks ago. This is because I'm
Learning to see consciously
March 9th, 2011 in Medicine Health / Neuroscience
Training for conscious perception: A. Subjects are presented with geometric
forms in rapid succession. After 10 milliseconds the forms were masked to
render them invisible. The task of the subjects was to
Thank you for checking Bill:
But I don't have any problems with any other posting coming from the group at
present.
Mayka
--- On Thu, 10/3/11, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: Re: [Zen] just checking
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date:
From the perspective of an 'ultimate natural source', the potential for
anger, greed, lust and so on exist in humans, because these traits over
the millennia have enhanced Darwinian fitness.
Natural selection is the process by which traits become more or less
common in a population due to
Mel;
Go for the fun of it! . Make noise with it!. When I first came to Edinburgh
I experienced such a melancholy by the cold and grey weather that I bought to
myself an Spanish Classic guitar and learnt all by myself reading the basis for
music guitar and playing the guitar. My
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
ED;
I'd like to clarify with you that I don't experience dislike for your
person in any way.
Mayka, I believe you.
Which 'I' is it that's speaking, and which 'I' experiences dislike?
But I don't enjoy very much to be
ED,
EDAlthough I do think that apologizing can be used as upaya (skillful means)
for achieving peace when the other party is fixated on their sense of having
been offended, and the situation is going to hell in a hand-basket.
What you say above is definitely skillful means for restoring
As this is my named thread, and as ED is asking to be opted out of personal
questions, let me answer this interesting query.
Seems like it depends. Apologizing is hard for me when I am attached to
something about what I did, my thoughts on how it was justified, etc. When my
ego is involved in
No, Chris, I am not opting out of anything.
Anyone may ask me personal questions which I may choose to answer or
not.
I may ask anyone personal questions which they may chooe to answer or
not.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote:
As this is my named
That is certainly all true; I was reflecting the fact that you never answer
them, and appear to me to get slightly energized when they are asked of you.
Feel free to let us know if you prefer we continue to ask them of you, if that
isn't too personal. :) my preference is not to waste our
Upaya (Expedient Means or pedagogy) is a term in Mahayana Buddhism
refers to something which goes or brings you up to something (i.e., a
goal).
It is essentially the Buddhist term for dialectics. The term is often
used with kaushalya (cleverness); upaya-kaushalya means roughly skill
in means.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:55, SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I will certainly allow the quite appropriate anger to energize my appropriate
response to protect the child.
I can't find the quote but I read somewhere a thing like:
Greed
Yon and Steve:
Awareness of habits have not helped me so far as far as emotions concerns. I
also consider more natural to be just as we are.
We talk about non discrimination or going beyond duality but as soon the
negative emotions of irritation, anger, aggression, annoyanceappear in
The position on women's emotionality that I favor is one that may be
regarded as evolutionary biological/psychological.
Women have evolved traits and tendencies that enhance Darwinian fitness.
(Men have too, but the traits are different.)
In general, the softer in women traits such as
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:04, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
namely, that I had done no wrong and therefore an apology is not required and
would technically be a lie.
I am not sure that an apology has to do with right vs. wrong, rather than
Steve,
My focus is more on 'the ultimate source of emotions' because of
question Tao Shei Fei asked:
... when you are deconditioning yourself to these bad habits, are
you aware also of their source?
Two possible 'ultimate sources' are:
o The evolutionary biological-psychological model as
Mike,
I rarely if ever apologize, because I do not go about doing harm or
intending to do harm to anyone.
Perhaps I should apologize more to women whose feelings have been hurt
by what I say. I tend to treat women on a par with men - which may not
be very skillful means! ;-)
I have never
On Mar 10, 2011 2:25 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Mike,
I rarely if ever apologize, because I do not go about doing harm or
intending to do harm to anyone.
Perhaps I should apologize more to women whose feelings have been hurt by
what I say. I tend to treat women on a par with men -
Whoops. Sent too soon.
So do you skip saying hello or goodbye because we are already there, no
where to go, no one to greet?
:)
My socialb group has different norms obviously.
On Mar 10, 2011 2:25 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Mike,
I rarely if ever apologize, because I do not go
Where is the anger directed? At the person who was abused before that
continues the chain? At the behavior? Your example was so general. Are
you seeing this? Do you give the abuser a hand after you stop the initial
action and ask them what's happened to them? Can you let them have a
What are the other possible sources?
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:12 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Steve,
My focus is more on 'the ultimate source of emotions' because of question
Tao Shei Fei asked:
... when you are deconditioning yourself to these bad habits, are you
aware
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
Yon and Steve:
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Awareness of habits have not helped me so far as far as emotions concerns. I
also consider more natural to be just as we are.
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We talk about non discrimination or going beyond duality but as soon
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
Steve,
My focus is more on 'the ultimate source of emotions' because of
question Tao Shei Fei asked:
... when you are deconditioning yourself to these bad habits, are
you aware also of their source?
Two possible
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, yonyonson@... wrote:
Where is the anger directed? At the person who was abused before that
continues the chain? At the behavior? Your example was so general. Are
you seeing this? Do you give the abuser a hand after you stop the initial
action and ask
The cause of Five Poisons - Greed, Anger, Delusion, Arrogance and
Suspicion is our attachment to form. (i.e. such as logic, words,
manners, attitudes, thoughts, actions, phenomena, weather, conditions, etc.)
To rid of the Five Poisons, begins by realizing that form is emptiness
by nature.
Bill,
Yeah, _The Zen Teaching of Bodhidharma_ by Red Pine is so freh =)
As for the diamond sutra, I liked this
http://www.awaresilence.com/Zen_Teachings/Hyon_Gak_-_Diamond_Sutra.html
commentary
by Hyon Gak. Also interesting for me was that it was filmed and shown on
korean TV so you
I have not thought of any other. Do you know of any other sources?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, yonyonson@... wrote:
What are the other possible sources?
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:12 PM, ED seacrofter001@...
/group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=XJ92pPng1lN9cSn9flQOXwBz4ZxOU7IXNzqe-1gm9x\
It can be said that anger has no 'direction', but is due to a (mistaken)
belief that the universe owes it to one that people/and or things ought
not to be the way they are, but ought to be the way one wants them to
be, and that the universe has has failed to deliver. --ED
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