[Zen] Re: Egolessness -

2013-09-16 Thread Bill!
Merle, Probably not, but survival is not the goal or purpose of zen...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: is it possible to survive day to day in our present civilisation egoless?...merle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egolessness

Re: [Zen] Illusions

2013-09-16 Thread Bill!
Kris, Please don't think my continual push-back on you is any form of disrespect. It is my method of re-stating what you say in a way that is more compatible with my thoughts. Like bouncing them off you to see what you will say. Many of the differences may just be semantic, but that's why

Re: [Zen] Illusions

2013-09-16 Thread Kristopher Grey
OK - Forum's slow, and all's quiet hereabouts, so I'll bite... Yes Bill!, delusion is delusion (aka delusion of separations - aka no independent origination - aka emptiness - aka form is emptiness/emptiness is form - etc. - etc...), appearing as all 'other' apparent forms of delusion. (also

Re: [Zen] Illusions

2013-09-16 Thread Bill!
Kris, Thanks for your well thought out reply. I too am not trying to infer that explanations are right or wrong. I do find some explanations more comfortable than others, and perhaps that comfortableness is strongly dependent upon semantics. Also I want to state here and now that all my

Re: [Zen] Illusions

2013-09-16 Thread Kristopher Grey
On 9/16/2013 5:56 AM, Bill! wrote: Kris, Thanks for your well thought out reply. Ironic nonetheless! *L* I too am not trying to infer that explanations are right or wrong. Ah, but then why explain at all? Explanations by their very nature do exactly that. It's fine sport, but a poor