Re: [Zen] Re: Was Buddha The Most Enlightened???

2009-01-05 Thread Anthony Wu
should never think that our view of the multiverse is the only view of the multiverse.   There is so much more to reality than small minds can concieve.    DR. ORIENT ROHMER  --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo. com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-06 Thread Anthony Wu
So instead you prefer zen buddhism, where every koan is open to interpretation and most of it is totally undefined and completely subjective depending on who the teacher is. That is basically the way the world is. Everything must be open to interpretation. The book you mention seems to

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-08 Thread Anthony Wu
Are you advocating that we should all just sit on a pillow until it stinks, and that is all? That is why I say no suffering, no fun. Anthony --- On Wed, 7/1/09, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-09 Thread Anthony Wu
Hris,   I fully agree with you. I don't say those religions are 'bad', except for some advocating killing of innocent. But in regard to letting go of attachments, we have to go somewhere else.   Anthony --- On Fri, 9/1/09, cid830 summitj...@att.net wrote: From: cid830 summitj...@att.net

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-09 Thread Anthony Wu
. Or as you suggest you can constantly oscillate between suffering and fun. Bill! From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:54 PM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God Are you

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-09 Thread Anthony Wu
Most words are hollow. --- On Sat, 10/1/09, fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 9:50 AM cid830 I know it may sound like I don't have a clue

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-09 Thread Anthony Wu
Both yours and Al's answer are very acceptable. On the other hand, I have yet to prove the idea of 'Buddha mind' came from historical Buddha. It may have been later Mahayanist invention. The problem is that it tends to make things look easy. Since we all have the same Buddha mind, everything we

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-13 Thread Anthony Wu
@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009, 2:01 PM Anthony Wu Karma is the best thing to ensure moral values. As soon as they hear about moral values, many will say we are just dogmatic. It is disturbing to me that many who want to practice zen think it is some amoral system to ease

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-13 Thread Anthony Wu
are not illusory? I believe they are, and so is karma. To finish off replying to your post, I don't believe there is a 'rule of this universe'. There's Just THIS! Bill! From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-13 Thread Anthony Wu
of a belief in morals that creates this state (enlightenment) but which produces behaviour that could be called 'moral' as viewed by most of the worlds major religions. Mike --- On Tue, 13/1/09, fitness4u2163 fitness1963@ yahoo.com wrote: Anthony Wu Karma is the best thing to ensure

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-14 Thread Anthony Wu
something you REALLY REALLY want me to read, please either copy me on the email or send me an alert that you've posted something. My email address I use for the forum is billsm...@hhs1963. org. Thanks...Bill! From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-14 Thread Anthony Wu
Uerusuboyo wa nan desuka? --- On Wed, 14/1/09, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 4:57 PM Oops! Sorry, I forgot to include Mike.

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-14 Thread Anthony Wu
[mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:23 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God Bill, I am not reading any books at this moment. I am reading your posts. How do you respond to the pain, after you prick your

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-15 Thread Anthony Wu
[mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:04 PM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God Bill, I understand your 'zen logic' in view of a lack of a proper word. In my case: - If I run into a killer, I will run away

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-15 Thread Anthony Wu
Anthony, Was it mental suffering or physical pain? An important distinction is to be made. Edgar On Jan 15, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: Chris,   I agree and believe practicing zen helps give up worries. However, not all anticipation is useless. I would like to bring up

Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-15 Thread Anthony Wu
in the randomness of the universe. I think JM can sync to it. We can experience it. But no one can truly explain the 'reasoning' behind it. Or the 'rules' that govern it. Does this make any sense? Thank You, Chris --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Rules No.4, 5, 6

Re: [Zen] ROLL CALL

2009-01-16 Thread Anthony Wu
Alive!   Anthony --- On Fri, 16/1/09, fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] ROLL CALL To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 2:13 PM If you are still alive, please reply to this post. Pursuant to the

RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

2009-01-16 Thread Anthony Wu
to have someone or something else tell you what to do and be answerable to? Don't you trust yourself? Bill! From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:24 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re

Re: [Zen] To be Buddha

2009-01-16 Thread Anthony Wu
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: [Zen] To be Buddha To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, zenliv...@yahoogroups.com, heartc...@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 1:04 AM Happy New Year Everyone, Same to you JMJM. Let us imagine that one day, you were

Re: [Zen] Toxicity

2009-01-19 Thread Anthony Wu
No doubt greed, aversion and delusion are alive forever. --- On Mon, 19/1/09, fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Toxicity To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 19 January, 2009, 1:54 PM Are we living in a toxic society?

Re: [Zen] Moderators Wanted?

2009-01-23 Thread Anthony Wu
Correction: Confucius should read O.J.Simpson. --- On Fri, 23/1/09, fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Moderators Wanted? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 2:19 PM Edgar Owen I'd be happy to

Re: [Zen] Moderators Wanted?

2009-01-23 Thread Anthony Wu
, 11:03 PM Anthony Wu Correction: Confucius should read O.J.Simpson. OJ Simpson can read Confucius, but not the other way around. Confucius is dead and OJ's book never got published. Importing contacts has never been easier..Bring your friends over to Yahoo! Mail

RE: [Zen] Re: Frustration with Job and Teenage Child

2010-07-15 Thread Anthony Wu
Jody,   I have not heard of Suzuki's wife murdered by a sociopath. Can you describe in a terse way.\?   Anthony --- On Thu, 15/7/10, Jody W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com wrote: From: Jody W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Frustration with Job and Teenage Child To:

RE: [Zen] Re: Frustration with Job and Teenage Child

2010-07-15 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Take Hitler and Pol Pot for example. In what way can you exterminate them with compassion? One way or the other, they need to be wiped out. The idea of compassion can take a break.   Anthony --- On Thu, 15/7/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From:

RE: [Zen] Re: Frustration with Job and Teenage Child

2010-07-16 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I think the key is when you hang a person, you should not have hatred.   Anthony --- On Fri, 16/7/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Frustration with Job and Teenage Child To:

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-17 Thread Anthony Wu
, 2010, 10:45 PM   Hi Anthony, No, I don't believe in karma and rebirth, at least not in the sense that buddhists do. Artie --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Do you believe in karma and rebirth?

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-07-23 Thread Anthony Wu
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@ wrote: ED, Â If you claim yours is the ultimate truth, you qualify for a Taliban. Â Anthony --- On Wed, 21/7/10, ED seacrofter001@ wrote: From: ED seacrofter001@ Subject: Re: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-07-23 Thread Anthony Wu
 There are ultimate truths and there are false truths.  Those who hold false truths declair ignorance as truth. joe --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@ wrote: ED, Â If you claim yours is the ultimate truth, you qualify for a Taliban. Â Anthony --- On Wed, 21/7

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-07-25 Thread Anthony Wu
@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Bill,   Go to Mexico, and be welcome by the drug kings on the highlighted words.   In their minds, selling and taking drugs are 'spontaneous'.   Anthony --- On Sat, 24/7/10, Bill! billsm...@... wrote: From: Bill! billsm...@... Subject: [Zen

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-25 Thread Anthony Wu
and grown to perfect appearance through transformation. I didnt mean to get long winded sorry about that. Joe --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Joe,   What are the criteria for ultimate truths and false truths?   Anthony --- On Fri, 23/7/10, maitreya003 joult

RE: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-07-31 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Welcome back from KL. What kind of reward did you bring from Mahathir Mohamad? Reward and punishment are part and parcel of our life. When you design a software system, don't you intend to be rewarded?   Anthony --- On Sat, 31/7/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-08-01 Thread Anthony Wu
Artie,   Natural responses can be very different kinds. Some take drugs, loot, rape, kill etc, also claiming natural.   Anthony --- On Sun, 1/8/10, roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-01 Thread Anthony Wu
Mike,   Zen is everyday life, so it is a project, a hobby and everything you can think about.   Yes, I miss Mayka too.   Anthony --- On Sun, 1/8/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-08-01 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   Be and let be, so I go to an orgyhouse, I go looting, burning, taking drugs, and will accept all.   Anthony --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion

2010-08-04 Thread Anthony Wu
:-) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Artie,   My comment is completely neutral. I don't expect you to explain yourself. I like your way. Argument is not the right way, much less the zen way. = FROM: Over the hills and far away. . . The way

RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-05 Thread Anthony Wu
.   …Bill!   From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Zen_ fo...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:35 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka?     Mayka,   I am very glad you came back. As regards the difference you

Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-05 Thread Anthony Wu
, dvd, book...I currently see him more a kind of pleasant show to be watched and listened rather than a real Teacher.    Mayka     --- On Wed, 4/8/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo. com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo. com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date

Re: [Zen] Re: On: Understanding your world

2010-08-05 Thread Anthony Wu
Artie,   I am lost in finding out who says what in the post (you or kooner). But it does not matter. As Socrates says, ' the difference betweeen me and fools is that I know I don't know, but they don't know they don't know.'   Anthony --- On Thu, 5/8/10, roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com wrote:

RE: [Zen] On: Understanding your world

2010-08-06 Thread Anthony Wu
, 2010, 6:49 PM   Anthony,   A better system is no system at all – Just THIS!   …Bill!   From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Zen_ fo...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:06 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] On: Understanding

RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-06 Thread Anthony Wu
is the harm if you don’t ‘hug’ them (form an attachment to them)?  Where have you heard, or what have you read that makes you think zen discourages emotions?   …Bill!   From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Zen_ fo...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:49 AM

RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-07 Thread Anthony Wu
s.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:23 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka?     Bill,   It is premature and 'emotional' for you to disagree. If you don't 'hug' emotions, you are not harmed. Some not only hug them, they make love

Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-07 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   After reading parts of the link about how to work with emotions, I am back to square one. If you think it should be otherwise, please quote something useful that are terse. Some time ago you asked what is a Snakes and Ladders Game. That is the origin of the word 'back to square one'. I

RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony Wu
fo...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:28 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Where's Mayka?     Bill,   I am led to believe, based on your highlighted words that something in you succumbs to Maya.   Anthony --- On Sat, 7/8/10

Re: [Zen] EGO

2010-08-10 Thread Anthony Wu
Ari,   Though I myself have not gone through the same nightmare, it reminds me of a Buddha saying that practice should not be carried out in a too tense way. The strings of the musical instrument should not be too tight or too loose. Sakyamuni himself experienced a feeling like having a being

Re: [Zen] EGO

2010-08-11 Thread Anthony Wu
Ari,   You may not need (though may be good) love or kindness toward yourself or others, but try letting go of yourself's attachments.   Anthony --- On Wed, 11/8/10, Ari aelindem...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Ari aelindem...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] EGO To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-13 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   In this case, I perfer zen to Vajrayana, or other forms of Tantra. Like Bill says, in zen, you can be enlightened by a bad teacher, as long as you are committed. On the other hand, Tantra stresses too much on the role of the teacher. You almost have to follow him blindly. Of course, it is

Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-14 Thread Anthony Wu
@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 14 August, 2010, 4:49 PM   Making comparations Anthony?.  This is also a job the ego does to one.  And  what do you think is that?.   Mayka   --- On Sat, 14/8/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg

Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka?

2010-08-15 Thread Anthony Wu
JMJM, I did not expect you to be so pessimistic. Anthony --- On Sun, 15/8/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Where's Mayka? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 15 August, 2010, 10:17 PM

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-15 Thread Anthony Wu
DP, We should not regard zen messages as linguistic tricks. In this case, Bill should be able to enlighten us, despite his ostensibly encouraging killing and looting. Anthony --- On Sun, 15/8/10, DP dave.dplat...@gmail.com wrote: From: DP dave.dplat...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste-

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony Wu
DP, I have no better cures, but as Zen Master Seung Sahn says, 'you should keep a try mind'. Keep trying everything, including Combatting nihilism, which seems to be your main psychological symptom. Taking antidepressant. Your sickness may be a physiological one, instead of, or in addition

RE: [Zen] I did like the story.

2010-08-20 Thread Anthony Wu
If OCD results from physical abnormalities, it should be able to be cured or corrected by medicine. That may or may not be antidepressant. Years ago, it was believed that depressant is caused by 'all in the head', but now it is being treated with the help of medicine. I think medicine plus

Re: [Zen] I would like to share an unknown en lightened mystic - Elijah Crow – The Silen ce

2010-08-26 Thread Anthony Wu
Wonderful.   Anthony --- On Fri, 27/8/10, Witnessing Presence witnessing_prese...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Witnessing Presence witnessing_prese...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] I would like to share an unknown enlightened mystic - Elijah Crow – The Silence To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday,

Re: [Zen] Death

2010-08-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar,   Your highlighted remark makes things worse. It is no cure for the fear of death. There must be a 'cure', but not the words.   Anthony --- On Mon, 30/8/10, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Death To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Death

2010-08-30 Thread Anthony Wu
DP,   Kristy, again, offers a possible solution: helping others to combat fear of death. Try it, and consider consulting a physician on a possible medicine.   On the other hand, don't even think about her words 'fear of death is so and so'.   Anthony --- On Mon, 30/8/10, Kristy McClain

Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill

2010-09-08 Thread Anthony Wu
JMJM,   As a poor student of Bill's, I try to make the following comments:   -  Zen is not mysticism, and has nothing to do with God or universe. Zen is everyday life. -  Zen has no 'mystic' practice, nor is it trying to witness the unification with the universe. -  Zen does not treat

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-10 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I am 90% in agreement with you. There are a lot of differences between Tibetan Tantra and traditional Buddhism. The most significant is their attitude and practice on sex rituals. On the other hand, the Tantra also has a lot of colorful and spectacular techniques. If they help some. why

Re: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-10 Thread Anthony Wu
Kirk,   Tantric visualization is the opposite of zazen. The technique of imagination can be compared to color TV. In contrast, unfortunately, Bill's 'just sit' is very boring, equivalent to a black and white TV. So, anybody looking for a spectacular carrier should practice Tantrism, including

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-11 Thread Anthony Wu
What? Hipocracey? Ah, that is why he contrived a 'test' to justify the sex ritual. He is not as honest as a few of the other monks who used sex slaves and know how to make preemptive remarks to command blind followers.   Anthony --- On Sat, 11/9/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-11 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   According to your definition of a country, the UK consists of England, Northern Ireland, Wales and probably some Roman enclaves, although they have been invaded by Anglo-Saxons, heavity modified by the French. That is maybe true. The USA should be divided into hundreds of Indian

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-11 Thread Anthony Wu
Accurate history. You can say Dalai Lama was tricked by the Han Chinese he regrets. Meanwhile he knows he can do nothing about it.   Anthony --- On Sat, 11/9/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Other

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-11 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Look at the following difference: Christianity asks you to finally unite with God, who can absolve you even if you kill or rape, while buddhism insists on independent karma that is created by yourself and cannot be changed by others. // Is it superficial?   anthony --- On Sat, 11/9/10,

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-11 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   History has always been manipulated from time immemorial.   Anthony --- On Sat, 11/9/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 6:21

Re: [Zen] The Vasque Country

2010-09-11 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   It is fine. You don't have to apologize. Bill is so broad minded, that is why he is a moderator.   Anthony --- On Sat, 11/9/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: [Zen] The Vasque Country To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-13 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I have respect for Dalai Lama. He is erudite and smart, and knows how to combine western humor and eastern learning. Meanwhile I find some of his remarks amusing, especially when he tries to hide his independence mind behind his non violence proposals. He is a contradiction worth

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-13 Thread Anthony Wu
!   From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:43 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions     Bill,   Look at the following difference: Christianity asks you to finally

Re: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-13 Thread Anthony Wu
Artie,   What are you romanticising? Tibetan Tantra is not Buddhism, or you may call it renegade Buddhism.   Anthony --- On Mon, 13/9/10, roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Other traditions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

Re: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-14 Thread Anthony Wu
and other eastern spiritual practices :-( Artie --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Artie,   What are you romanticising? Tibetan Tantra is not Buddhism, or you may call it renegade Buddhism.

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-14 Thread Anthony Wu
] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:46 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions Bill, Karma is not 'something else' to take responsibility for your life. It asks you to take your own responsibility, without shifting it to 'something else'. You

RE: [Zen] Other traditions

2010-09-15 Thread Anthony Wu
is Just THIS! ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:26 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions Bill, The difference between Karma and Santa Claus is that the former

Re: [Zen] Can I practise Zen and still believe in God?

2010-09-16 Thread Anthony Wu
Here comes another viewpoint from our other moderator. Let me expand what Edgar says: the immense intelligense in the universe is the global spirit, or Tao.   Anthony --- On Thu, 16/9/10, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Can I practise

Re: [Zen] Re: all the mysticism I'll ever need

2010-09-17 Thread Anthony Wu
the mysticism I'll ever need To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 17 September, 2010, 9:33 AM   Anthony- I'm not sure how to answer this. . . You seem plenty intelligent enough to me :-) Artie --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Artie,   Thank you for your

RE: [Zen] Dharma talks

2010-09-17 Thread Anthony Wu
Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, is a genius, as well as a smart politician. He utilizes the occasion of writing a book to revile China on persecution in Tibet. Meanwhile, he is also very romantic, having an affair with some in his endeavour of the sexy 'highest

Re: [Zen] Dharma talks

2010-09-17 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   I see. You insists that all come to one. Then where does that one go?   A koan for you.   Anthony --- On Fri, 17/9/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Dharma talks To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Dharma talks

2010-09-17 Thread Anthony Wu
DP,   Probably it is the 'dharma Seed' site.   Try the website www.dharmaseed.org.   Anthony --- On Fri, 17/9/10, DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: [Zen] Dharma talks To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 17 September, 2010, 11:13 AM   it

Re: [Zen] Tantra: The Diamond Path

2010-09-17 Thread Anthony Wu
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was another genius. Very romantic. He never concealed what he would like to do. I sort of like him.   Anthony --- On Sat, 18/9/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Tantra: The Diamond Path To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Dharma talks

2010-09-18 Thread Anthony Wu
is separating, categorizing, comparing.  :-) The ONE and the ALL is actually quite simple, integrated, balanced, harmonious and lively. No matter what religion, school, practice part of the ONE and the ALL. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain. JM On 9/17/2010 2:50 PM, Anthony Wu wrote

Re: [Zen] Tantra: The Diamond Path

2010-09-18 Thread Anthony Wu
that is not worth a damn. --ED PS: Trungpa and Osho (Rajneesh) have been among the most profound Eastern Teachers the West has been privileged to have - whether we were aware of this truth or not.   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was another

Re: [Zen] What kind of practice is Chan?

2010-09-18 Thread Anthony Wu
JMJM,   More than 2,500 years ago, Sakyamuni said, 'have anybody seen Brahma (you call it initiator)?. If not, how do you justify 'connection' with it?   Anthony --- On Sun, 19/9/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com

Re: [Zen] Dharma talks

2010-09-20 Thread Anthony Wu
and conceptual like most of your posts.  The other is spiritual only to be experienced and not to be discussed.  :-) On 9/18/2010 2:24 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:   JMJM,   I did not ask you to explain if one and all are the same or different. Nor are you supposed to use or give up your

Re: [Zen] Re: I did zazen again for the first time in a long while...

2010-09-29 Thread Anthony Wu
Snakes had legs millions of years ago. I don't know why they gave them up. --- On Thu, 30/9/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: I did zazen again for the first time in a long while... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 30

RE: [Zen] Should we disturb zazen practice with issues like this?

2010-10-01 Thread Anthony Wu
Yes, one of the characteristics that Bill has, is that he is not offended to be made fun of. That is why I say he is broadminded. Of course, we should never revile people saying they are 'idiots' or that kind of thing. Being malicious is no fun.   anthony --- On Sat, 2/10/10,

Re: [Zen] Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-02 Thread Anthony Wu
DP,   I don't guarantee understanding of 'mind' will solve the problem of fear of death. Mind is not only a Buddhist concept. For instance, Edgar talks about Tao, global spirit or some other big names. It is the same concept that mind never dies. In Buddhist terms, it creates everything. So you

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-02 Thread Anthony Wu
If you lose your mind, you cannot practice, unless a Joshu comes to strike you with a big stick or you reincarnate as a wild fox.   Anthony --- On Sun, 3/10/10, DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca Subject: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind To:

Re: [Zen] Mind

2010-10-03 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   Thank you for interesting posts as always. We need a different points of views to avoid dullness. Yours is always refreshing, and unfortunately also controversial.   The reason that in Chinese literature there is only the word 'heart', when it should mean 'mind' is that there is no

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-03 Thread Anthony Wu
Subject: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 10:33 AM   But don't we all lose our minds in the end? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: If you lose your mind, you cannot practice, unless a Joshu comes to strike

Re: [Zen] Mind

2010-10-04 Thread Anthony Wu
place for one hour. The truth will be unfold.  I guarantee. JMJM Head Teacher Order Of Buddha Heart Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 10/3/2010 4:37 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:   JM,   Thank you for interesting posts as always. We

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   I am disappointed that you are disappointed with TNH. Though I know very little about it, I believe, from what the little I have heard, that TNH is better than many Christian establishments. But I may be wrong. Anyway, if you are fed up with one thing, move on to another. Don't

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread Anthony Wu
Mike,   I don't see the 'free pass'. You find Islam criticising Christianity, and vice versa, and Christianity reviling Buddhism and vice versa. Many other instances. The reason you are afraid to say something against Christianity is because you live in a strong Christain influenced

Re: [Zen] Mind

2010-10-04 Thread Anthony Wu
connotes the sections of the brain responsible for feelings. --ED   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: JMJM,   It is wrong that you associate thinking with the heart. The brain plays the key role in thinking.   Anthony

[Zen] Anti-intellectual

2010-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar,   What do you think of the following anti-intellectual zen remark:   When you cross a bridge, the water underneath stops, but the bridge flows.   Is it complete nonsense? Or it has some other meaning?   Anthony --- On Mon, 4/10/10, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: From: Edgar Owen

RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:32 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.     Mayka,   I am disappointed that you are disappointed with TNH. Though I know very little about it, I believe, from what

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
Kristy,   I don't think Mayka is insincere, nor did she misspell your name on purpose. It was a typo. Mayka is very conscientious. Please don't take offense. Or I will cry under my pillow. By the way you also call her Maria by mistake.   Anthony --- On Tue, 5/10/10, Kristy McClain

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I have an IQ of 20. What should I do?   Do dogs have Buddha Nature? Get ready to get a slap from Joshu.   Anthony --- On Wed, 6/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind To:

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Asian reply because I have no idea what you're talking about yet get the feeling it must be something profound and enigmatic.   Mike From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 9:18:29 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think

Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   If the forum only allowed topics related to zen, it would become full of dogs and shit. Zen is involved in everything, so we can roam to many realms. Don't worry, if it strays too far away, we have two moderators to pull it back.   Anthony --- On Thu, 7/10/10, Maria Lopez

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Mike,   I appreciate your compliments. Still, it is below Bill's minimum of 40, but not too far. I have to work harder.   Anthony --- On Thu, 7/10/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind To:

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
they insist in thinking and talking and posting about Zen rather than living it... Edgar   On Oct 6, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:   Bill,   I have an IQ of 20. What should I do?   Do dogs have Buddha Nature? Get ready to get a slap from Joshu.   Anthony --- On Wed, 6/10/10

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
! :-) Edgar On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:   Edgar,   You have not answered my question about the statement:   When you cross the bridge, the water underneath stops, but the bridge flows.   Anthony --- On Thu, 7/10/10, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: From: Edgar

Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
has and keeps being opened to all themes.  You know that yourself.   Mayka    --- On Wed, 6/10/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Note To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 23:48   Mayka

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Jody,   Yes, we all have to reincarnate as animals for our next lives. A wild fax might be a good idea. Remember the monk turned into a wild fox, because he said he could defy gravity. It is great to be able to practice the Wild Fox Zen for 500 lifetimes.   Anthony --- On Thu, 7/10/10, Jody W.

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