--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
Never said I thought it was offensive, so you can't plead innocent when
there
was no charge in the first place. I understand your point/frustration if you
were trying to discuss a specific situation or particular
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
so I refuse to include your (pardon my language) asinine,
You'll never get to heaven using that kind of language, sir. Repent.
I have nothing to repent for. Your comment was indeed asinine. As I've said
every
Mayka, i apologize for my part in introducing the subject. I did not intend
this to go this far. In fact, I regret that I'm contributing to the same thing
I was upset about on other forums.
Originally I wanted to ask how to deal with my need to resolve these arguments,
which are ultimately
is much more reasonable,
intelligent and
moderate than that (my apologys to DP for the assumption). To take the
matter
back to things Zen. I don't put Zen in the same category as religion, in the
sense of the monotheitic traditions, because Zen doesn't rely on words or
scripture
Not quite. It was not the last presidential debate, it was a debate among
those competing for the Republican candidacy. And no, nothing did not happen;
they were widely ridiculed in the media, and none of them won the candidacy in
the end. So no, they most certainly did not get a free pass. (In
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
That post was addressed to Mayka so I don't know why you felt you were called
upon on to defend the pope.
Perhaps because you wrote (are you listening DP?) So yes, you did address me.
Mike
ps, you don't
to be against religion in any form.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
I like the way you wrote that the Moderator who didn't believe Jesus was the
Son
of God was the former Moderator. : )
Mike
Current
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
You wrote: And... you just lost the thread. Godwin's Law applies equally to
neo-Nazis as to Hitler.
It would be more like rejecting anything German (or, say, rejecting
socialism
because of the name National
or progressive
spirituality was being forced out by the view that all religion is poison.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote:
DP,
What concern is that of yours? (Double standards are intrinsic to the
non-Buddha nature of all humans.) Are you demanding
But it's a scattershot technique being employed against all religion.
Religious people can point out that they support the theory of evolution and
that they condemn the cover-up by the Catholic Church and they still get all
religions are equally corrupt and wrong. It would be like saying all
and not acknowledged as
ill-informed?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
Whoa! Steady on there, Tiger. You may have missed I put a smiley face
(something
I'm usually loathe to do) at the end of the sentence to indicate nothing
snidey
was intended
person to see a comparison being made.
You are using your own personal definition of religion to attack. This is not
my experience of religion, and it never will be.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
I wrote: Moreover, I am ignorant of what it is to be a neo
@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you, huh.
Let me spell it out for you one more time. To paraphrase Kristy -Â Â she said
that
atheists are ignorant of faith and so don't understand the religious
perspective
the Popes visit there spring to mind. Here
is
the head of a religious organisation that systematically brushed under the
carpet instances of child rape in order to preserve its good name. Shame. And
what does he say in his address? (are you listening DP?)
He compares unbelief in faith to the rise
, of course, having been involved in the scandal involving
residential schools for Canadian natives, but they have apologized and tried to
make amends for it. the church is in general committed to social justice.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, maria818448 flordel...@... wrote:
DP:
Which
subscribes to
the beliefs of a Christian sect that uses Christianity in a poisonous
way.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP wookielifeday@ wrote:
No, I'm not demanding anything. I just find it troubling that when one
place in the forum I was addressing was relegated
me into this discussion, as it is now I who has lost the
thread. I was merely trying to point out to DP that debating on-line with
people who attack him or hurt his feelings seems pointless to me, and making
a different choice to disengage and move on might be more productive. I see
now
. But my main problem is that (and I
realize this is getting off topic) the forum had specifically created this
section for religious discussions, and the majority of the discussions are
about how bad religion is.
--- On Sun, 10/3/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote:
From: DP wookielife
Thank you
Yes, it was The Wise Heart. I am quite enjoying it.
However, I like reading Buddhist stuff in spurts, switching to other stuff
every once in awhile.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote:
*bows* DP,
Â
I'm not sure which JK book you are reading
buddhism and certainly zen are anti-intellectual. In zen,
we aim to get rid of our head. The idea is to get out of your own way..
Kristy
--- On Sun, 10/3/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote:
From: DP wookielife...@...
Subject: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
I guess you're right. However, I still feel that the same people who caricature
the Abrahamic religions have no problem doing the same with Buddhism.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
DP and Mike,
I donât want to intrude in your discussion. Youâre doing so well
by rightwingers as believing in liberation
theology, but I think if he actually was, it would be a good thing.
I hope that clears it up. :)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
DP,
You can post here on whatever subject you want - within reason.
This is a zen forum so
Part of my fear of death is not so much of death but of senility or loss of
memory. In western terms, that's what I think of as mind. But I have to admit,
I dont know if I fully understand the Buddhist concept of mind. Can anybody
help with this?
Current
My concern then is the idea of losing the mind, either through senility or
dementia or mental illness. If we are stripped of our cognitive abilities, then
where is the mind, and how can we still practise?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, cid830 summitj...@... wrote:
DP,
I think
But don't we all lose our minds in the end?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote:
If you lose your mind, you cannot practice, unless a Joshu comes to strike
you with a big stick or you reincarnate as a wild fox.
Â
Anthony
--- On Sun, 3/10/10, DP wookielife
, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ
chan.j...@... wrote:
Hi DP,
Science will tell you, there are more neuron firing to the brain from
the stomach then the other way around. Similarly there are more neuron
from the sub conscience, from the heart, from other organs, from the
entire body
think that it's our emphasis on materialism (in all
senses of the word) that causes a lot of the world's problems.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
Hi DP,
Could you elaborate on this a bit more: As well, I am frustrated that the
section of the political forum
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
Thanks for the reply. It's probably difficult, if not impossible, to keep
religion out of politics in the sense that politicians have personal beliefs
that may impact on their personal decision making. However, we
on that forum would havbe the right to be irritated.
--- On Fri, 10/1/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote:
From: DP wookielife...@...
Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 10:37 AM
Â
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
Not sure how you could be personally offended by a criticism of theology.
Actually, I think all this being 'offended' by religious folk is a bit rich
coming from people who don't blink an eye to tell gays they're
@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
DP,
My comments are embedded below:
I've thought some more about my problrm with getting into arguments on the
internet. I think that the internet has fueled a certain type of ugliness in
arguments, with its tendency towards short comments that snipe
And again, it has never been my experience that my church has discouraged
independent thought. If your are talking from your own experience, fine. ?but
it spunds an awful lot like the same arguments I've heard from other Internet
Athiests.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP wookielife
to think in the name of freedom (and subsequently describing
stuff that I love in ways that I simply don't recognize, i.e. religion is just
about controlling people) really hurts my feelings. Is that odd?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
DP,
I think you are drawn
I've thought some more about my problrm with getting into arguments on the
internet. I think that the internet has fueled a certain type of ugliness in
arguments, with its tendency towards short comments that snipe at miniscule
errors in one's posts. I want to walk away, and yet I hate the idea
with a softened heart. We all have the right to have our on
viewpoint, so long as it does not hurt self or others. Or maybe get a new
hobby:)
Â
KristyÂ
Â
Â
--- On Thu, 9/30/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote:
From: DP wookielife...@...
Subject: [Zen] More about arguments and ego
To: Zen_Forum
I did ten minutes (half hour was too much).
Nothing happened. Good.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit your group on the web, go to:
And who's to say a snake wouldn't want some nice legs?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote:
The last three statements are like adding legs to a snake.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP wookielifeday@ wrote:
I did ten minutes
(half hour was too much
i have this frustrating tendency to get into arguments with random people on
the internet. I personally try to keep in civil, but I get discouraged by all
the insults and obnoxiousness.
Many of the arguments are about religion. I encounter a lot of so-called
internet atheists who seem to
trying to goad you into more and more
extreme positions until you break Godwin's rule.
http://xkcd.com/386/
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:20 AM, DP wookielife...@... wrote:
So why do I feel the need to argue with these people? Why does my ego make
it so I feel the need to confront everything
I count breaths. I keep my eyes open, but its now very dark when I get up in
the morning. :)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
DP,
A 10 minute session is good. Try to make this a daily session. It
shouldn't be too hard to carve out 10 minutes each day for zazen
Somebody posted a link with some interesting Buddhist (non-denominational)
stuff, including some Dharma talks. Does anybody remember what it was?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo!
I have reconciled Zen and my Christian practise, if not beliefs - there seems
to be little contrary to Zen in practising compassion towards others and
showing mercy, which to me are the core of Jesus's teachings. Believing in God
might be another thing, however. From what I understand, Buddhism
contain it.
                                 DR. ORIENT
ROHMER
--- On Mon, 9/6/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote:
From: DP wookielife...@...
Subject: [Zen] Re: Death
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 7:18 AM
Â
day to be a duck.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
DP,
Occasionally,
I put fingers to keyboard,
And create Haiku.
And you? Do you write?
If so, would you share some poems?
We would all like that.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum
I have been writing them for a few months. I've been writing since I was a kid,
but I find Haiku so relaxing and illuminating, because I love finding the right
word.
I've been doing traditional Haiku, that is keeping them about subjects like
nature and actions, rather than just using the form.
Well, do you write any more? :)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
Dave,
First, five syllables,
Second, seven syllables,
Last line, five again.
.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DP
Sent
is about Zazen, and feeling a certain intention
and gratitude toward working with your obsession, for it can help you in the
end. No pun intended . . .
K among the deathers
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP dave.dplatt72@ wrote:
ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps
ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps me deal with my fear of
death? I just finished Thich Nhat Hanh's No Death No Fear, and I liked it, but
I feel such a hard time getting around the idea of continuance - it's too much
for my materialist mind. So maybe I need a different tack...
@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote:
*bows* to you DP...
Â
Â
I've often read and heard that the reality of death is an important part of
zen practice and training. Personally, I have never devoted any time to it. I
will explain why. WhenI I was 25, I had a life-altering
P things_r...@... wrote:
Hi DP
Â
I've read your posts and the replies you've gotten with interest. I don't
have much information, zen wise, to offer with regards death and the fear of
it, although I do *get* where you're coming from. Some of the others will
hopefully post
I've tried to do the half-hour sitting in a chair, but I find myself getting
bored after 10 minutes. Will this pass? Will I be able to do longer in the
future if I keep it up?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
minutes at home, but most zen centers
sit at least 30 minute or even 40 minute periods.
Hope this helps.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DP
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:52 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen
IT does put things into perspective. I'm liking this place more than the other
forum I was on. :)
What frsutrated me about it was that some people felt that what they were
quoting was so profound that they didn't need to even respond to me. Stuff like
fear of death is fear of life didn't
. ultimately have no
meaning, and are therefore worthless.
The berries don't taste sweet, they taste like ash at that point.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote:
DP:
Â
Knowing and feeling in one the perspective of death is not as bad thing as
you think. If you
: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DP
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:50 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com ,
BillSmart@ wrote
in that regard.
I'm not looking for any goal, I know that's not the point of Zen. But I don't
think it can hurt.
DP
For what it's worth.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DP
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:53 PM
To: Zen_Forum
That is, of course, very difficult to do with OCD. :(
DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote:
POINTS OF VIEW
As a favor to a prince, Nasruddin was acting as magistrate for a time.
In his first case he agreed with the plaintiff, and also with the
defendant. When
That is, of course, very difficult to do with OCD. :(
DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote:
POINTS OF VIEW
As a favor to a prince, Nasruddin was acting as magistrate for a time.
In his first case he agreed with the plaintiff, and also with the
defendant. When
. That's what I
meant by liberal.
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DP
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:36 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Namaste- first message
HI, I am new here, and I would like to give
...@... wrote:
Dave,
My comments are embedded in your post below:
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DP
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 9:36 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message
I have been doing
:
Dear DP:
Â
Don't take too seriously anything you read in forums and internet in
general. Your questions are difficult questions to be answered by the ones
who have not in them the OCD experience. Only yourself can answer all those
questions but if you can't find any answer in you yet
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote:
Welcome to the zen forum DP;
Â
What is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?. What's that about?.
I could try to explain it myself, but these do it better...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive_compulsive_disorder
My
tricks. Is that a little too
cynical? Am I asking too many questions? :)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ
chan.j...@... wrote:
Hi DP,
We have people suffer from the same.
Do you know how to do belly breathing? If yes, please do belly
breathing
experience
with that disorder. But I understand. Thank you for the link. Mayka
--- On Sun, 15/8/10, DP dave.dplat...@... wrote:
From: DP dave.dplat...@...
Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 15 August, 2010, 14:46
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