Re: [Zen] Is There Anybody Out There?

2013-09-26 Thread pandabananasock
I hereby reply. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:

[Zen] (unknown)

2013-08-23 Thread pandabananasock
Has anyone here experienced hearing their mind aloud? I mean really HEARING, not thoughts. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Zen] Is not coconut a miracle?

2013-07-24 Thread pandabananasock
bullshit Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual

Re: [Zen] Sound Familar?

2013-07-19 Thread pandabananasock
Get on the Road to Freedom Help us free all mankind The pain and all your sorrow Are only in your mind. -Chorus of The Road to Freedom, 1983, music lyrics by L Ron Hubbard (performed by John Travolta, Leif Garrett, and Frank Stallone.) Applied familiarity can be dangerous!

[Zen] Zentigration

2013-07-16 Thread pandabananasock
The marionette operator is not the puppet itself, but what good is a guy hidden in the rafters above the stage with nothing attached to his strings? The shorter the strings between the puppet and the operator, the better that the puppet reflects the operator's intent. The strings have been

Re: [Zen] Re: Worried Sick..illusions

2013-07-16 Thread pandabananasock
Merle, The following snippets are from your response to Bill!, but I'm going to employ license to reply to them myself :) You: why are you so adverse to the intellect...?... it is a tool us humans need to survive Me: To survive means to live to any point in the future. What is there right

Re: [Zen] It's as plain as the nose on your face ... but how plain is that?

2013-07-09 Thread pandabananasock
of focused light images of 'things' Edgar On Jul 7, 2013, at 1:43 AM, pandabananasock wrote: Are you wearing glasses right now? Can you see the frames in your periphery? Did you see them before I asked

Re: [Zen] Huang Po on Thinking and Seeing

2013-07-06 Thread pandabananasock
@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock@... wrote: Bill!, It takes one to know one! ~PeeBeeEss --   On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:30 AM EDT Bill! wrote:     PBS,     Good analogy!     ...Bill!     --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock@ wrote

Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma

2013-07-06 Thread pandabananasock
Chris, I should have worded my response, Mind minds mind. What's the point of trying to conceptualize monistic experience when it's already right there? It reminds me of people at concerts who watch the show on their iPhone screens as they record it. -PBS

Re: [Zen] Huang Po on Thinking and Seeing

2013-07-06 Thread pandabananasock
PBS, In fact you could say that most of our perceptions are like analogies themselves...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock@... wrote: Bill!, It takes one to know one! ~PeeBeeEss -- On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:30 AM

[Zen] It's as plain as the nose on your face ... but how plain is that?

2013-07-06 Thread pandabananasock
Are you wearing glasses right now? Can you see the frames in your periphery? Did you see them before I asked? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group

Re: [Zen] Huang Po on Thinking and Seeing

2013-07-05 Thread pandabananasock
Perception, delusion, thought... these are all based on each other. Experience just IS. You can't think of anything you don't already know -- thoughts that feel new are just new combinations of pieces of old knowledge. When we do experience experience, mind is aware of it, and does what it

Re: [Zen] Shunryu Suzuki's on Ego

2013-07-04 Thread pandabananasock
Great quote, Bill!! May I compliment?Art is as close as you can get to perfection without getting caught in the wake -- Captain BeefheartIt would seem that the small amount of ego that we need is also large enough for everything we want. (Run it both ways)No need to shed ego, and no need to

Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma

2013-07-04 Thread pandabananasock
All the formerly discarded peripheral vision; the AC turns on and the ventilation sings its shape through the drywall; the left hand has never felt so useless -- I am making progress; time to start over.Whoa, now I gotta pee... no choice but to get up or piss myself. Now I feel stupid for

Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma

2013-07-04 Thread pandabananasock
Math is just the world of delusion, except after the play, out of character, backstage giving an interview. Just like anything else, we regard it, and it reflects back whatever mental framework we use to regard it in the first place. Haiku (I posted this YEARS ago): Strike a bell with wood.

Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma

2013-07-03 Thread pandabananasock
Most people think of 1+1=2 as procedural, that is, that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes 2. They would regard 2=1+1 and 2=2 to be different equations, but they are not in the least bit different. The equal-sign is the present. 1+1 is already 2! And the effect IS the cause.

Re: [Zen] Buddhist Shell around Zen

2013-07-03 Thread pandabananasock
Burn the Sanghas down, with all their books inside. Ash is wonderful for gardens! -- On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:29 AM EDT Bill! wrote: This is what I was trying to say about Buddhism... ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any

Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma

2013-07-03 Thread pandabananasock
...@hhs1963.org wrote: Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... I'll ignore all the math but do

Re: [Zen] Intellectualizing -

2013-07-03 Thread pandabananasock
The form of this thread has demonstrated its own content. It is its own example. Beautiful! On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Subject: Re: [Zen] Intellectualizing - To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013,

Re: [Zen] Intellectualizing -

2013-07-03 Thread pandabananasock
Gotta love music audio art : visual art :: time : space sound : light :: notes : color tone : hue :: pitch : brightness On Wed, 7/3/13, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Zen] Intellectualizing - To:

Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma

2013-07-03 Thread pandabananasock
! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock@... wrote: Bill!: You're gonna ignore the math?  I thought you said you were looking for an impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you back to the beginning.  We use

Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma

2013-07-03 Thread pandabananasock
I AM ! On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and Karma To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 9:32 PM PBS, Then by all

Re: [Zen] Re: Intellectualizing -

2013-07-02 Thread pandabananasock
Thought : Experience :: Masturbation : Sex Bill the the cartoon character whose crazy buddy says Thanks, I needed that after Bill slaps him. By the way, does anyone else see the humor: Bill posts about the frivolity of intellectualizing, and people immediately start ripping his semantics to

[Zen] The Samsarashank Redemption

2013-06-28 Thread pandabananasock
He who can escape every single time he is imprisoned is still not free Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Zen] Re: The Samsarashank Redemption

2013-06-28 Thread pandabananasock
pointers, perfume advisories, or menu recommendations? I'm having my birthday cake in 30 minutes. Be free, healthy, in the Dharma, --Joe pandabananasock pandabananasock@... wrote: He who can escape every single time he is imprisoned is still not free

Re: [Zen] CHAKRA COLORS AND MEANINGS

2013-06-25 Thread pandabananasock
Hold yer horses! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings:

Re: [Zen] CHAKRA COLORS AND MEANINGS

2013-06-25 Thread pandabananasock
the cart in front of the horse! -- On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:42 AM EDT Joe wrote: PBS, Thanks! Good to see you again. Better than hold our noses. Our horses. What comes to mind? --Joe pandabananasock@... wrote: Hold yer horses

[Zen] Re: When it comes to handedness

2012-12-15 Thread pandabananasock
it was funny to think of an animal with handedness. He doesn't seem to mind, but neither does he answer to the new name. Just as well, the name might just last the day, only. Tomorrow's another day, they say! --Joe pandabananasock pandabananasock@ wrote: There used to be more

[Zen] (unknown)

2012-12-14 Thread pandabananasock
better to pitch in, than to make pronouncements. As you've pitched-in here! TNX, and howdy. --J. pandabananasock pandabananasock@ wrote: but what problem? Both: nobody to be saved, and nothing to save them from. Samsara and not-samsara. Only Is-ness, without the Is, or the ness

[Zen] (unknown)

2012-12-12 Thread pandabananasock
but what problem? Both: nobody to be saved, and nothing to save them from. Samsara and not-samsara. Only Is-ness, without the Is, or the ness, and without the without. No enlightenment, nobody to be enlightened. SPLABBERT! Current Book Discussion:

Re: [Zen] Re: Guided Meditation with Joseph Goldstein - YouTube

2012-08-06 Thread pandabananasock
The best guide for meditation is one's own breathing

[Zen] It takes one to know one

2012-08-06 Thread pandabananasock
There's been a lot of hair-splitting on the forum. Noisy. When it comes to contemplation, doubt is clarity. When it comes to practice, sit, breathe, be. ... hell, laugh! We should all be laughing hysterically!! We're all done!!! Imagine how silly a person would look if they were in a dark

Re: [Zen] Re: Guided Meditation with Joseph Goldstein - YouTube

2012-08-06 Thread pandabananasock
Meditation with Joseph Goldstein - YouTube To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 8:23 PM Definitely a time and a place for that, if you think. --Joe pandabananasock@... wrote: The best guide for meditation is one's own breathing

[Zen] Subject??

2012-04-08 Thread pandabananasock
HA! My ears already ringing from themselves the sound of enlightenment, listening to them, why should I say anything at all? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To

Re: [Zen] Re: Subject??

2012-04-08 Thread pandabananasock
... --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock pandabananasock@... wrote: HA!  My ears already ringing from themselves the sound of enlightenment, listening to them, why should I say anything at all? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2011-09-11 Thread pandabananasock
Of pandabananasock Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:31 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Dear Bill I hope you have not forgotten to dig up that material you have been working on regarding time/causeeffect. What it something I said?? Really though, if you are still willing to share, I'd

[Zen] Hermetica on the nature of human divinity

2011-09-10 Thread pandabananasock
This is passage 25 of chapter 10 of the Corpus Hermeticum. Some may find the language to be grainy, but take it in connotation [(what's the difference from anything else, right?)] Zero, One, primes, composites, but only here (mind-world) do all exist, if only separated by time. A statement of

[Zen] Re: why I'm here

2011-08-17 Thread pandabananasock
HA!!! thanks --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: Pandabananasock: Parts of your post below reminded me of one of my favorite short stories. I read it many, many years ago and can't give you the title or author but the story line is... There was man named John

Re: [Zen] Uneasy 不安 (2)

2011-08-15 Thread pandabananasock
Notions emotions like the ocean's tides emerge cover trail back to their source‚ a restlessness with worms for nerves‚ all sprawling in reactionary chaos Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it

[Zen] Re: why I'm here

2011-08-15 Thread pandabananasock
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel gunnar19632000@... wrote: That's what I like about Zen, but you still haven't taught anything here. However, I'll view some more of your postings. The Zen Buddhist monks I've come across face-to-face tend to be quite direct and straightforward, but

[Zen] Hand-shoes and horse-grenades

2011-08-14 Thread pandabananasock
If you have hands, don't bother washing them in the shower. Variety is not the spice of life. Paranoia is the spice of life. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To

Re: [Zen] why I'm here

2011-07-20 Thread pandabananasock
, pandabananasock pandabananasock@... wrote: From: pandabananasock pandabananasock@... Subject: [Zen] why I'm here To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Received: Wednesday, 20 July, 2011, 11:47 AM   I'm here to piss in the dirt Current Book Discussion

[Zen] why I'm here

2011-07-19 Thread pandabananasock
I'm here to piss in the dirt Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email

Re: [Zen] Chi

2008-09-11 Thread pandabananasock
Nine out of ten times, if you ask someone if they are feeling something, or if you put them in the position of expecting something (such as perfroming an elaborate excersize) they WILL feel it (or at least something that will be interpreted as it) aaannndd ZEN! --- On Wed,

[Zen] Dear Bill

2008-06-28 Thread pandabananasock
I hope you have not forgotten to dig up that material you have been working on regarding time/causeeffect. What it something I said?? Really though, if you are still willing to share, I'd still love to take a look! P-P-P-Panda Current Book Discussion:

Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-11 Thread pandabananasock
Remember that little ditty about the monk who picks the scorpion out of the water to save it, because that's the monk's nature, and how the scorpion stings the monk, because that's the scorpion's nature, and how the scorpion falls back in the water and the monk still picks it out of the water to

Re: [Zen] Wealth Ministry

2008-02-04 Thread pandabananasock
I would love to see one of those guys saying, God works in mysterious ways... except for the part about all of you sending me your money. THAT part is pretty clear. --- Jackson Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was watching a TV show which interviewed a few of those modern christian wealth

Re: [Zen] Zazen Penis Size

2008-01-30 Thread pandabananasock
PROTECTED] wrote: pandabananasock Maybe try zazen in the bathtub or pool. I don't know how buoyant your penis is, but floating it might help. As a black man, I am glad to read this topic. I have some prolbem with my penis too when I am trying to set the zaazen meditation. It can

Re: [Zen] Re: Life Force creates Forms

2008-01-28 Thread pandabananasock
diablodrakul, wether you're right or wrong about him, you definitely made me laugh. It makes sense. If he's an impostor it makes sense that he WOULD have a name like Fred Schwartz, and it makes sense that I WOULD be asking questions of a guy who's really just some culty hack from Brooklyn!

[Zen] Religion (Spirituality) and Politics

2008-01-27 Thread pandabananasock
Socrates believed wisdom came not from what one knows, but from how much one knows that one does not know. He therefore never entered politics, believing it would be inappropriate for him to make the best decisions on others' behalves when he himself claimed to be unwise and ignorant,

Re: [Zen] Caveat Emptor

2008-01-25 Thread pandabananasock
I'll show you my zen if you show me yours! ~Panda anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Once a Zen monk was weighing flax for sale in the market Another monk approaches and ask,Show me your Zen. First monk replies,This flax weighs six pounds

[Zen] Sincerity in Zen_Forum

2008-01-25 Thread pandabananasock
After about a year of inactivity, I have resumed posting on this forum. I've had a lot more time than usual to spend online due to my high-maintenance girlfriend's recent, temporarily disabling operation (just a foot surgery, nothing serious) and the fact that she is pretty much useless in

[Zen] Re: Anti-aging with zazen

2008-01-22 Thread pandabananasock
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, dhammastudents [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anti-aging or reverse unhealthy cells with Nano technology to create zero energy or also known as scalar energy . Zazen will do this for you. You can live 200 years. 200 years, huh? That's more than enough to almost