[Zen] Pretense

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Thank you Sensei. I really really like the way you put it. Indeed, when we live it, everything just happens. With your permission, I shall forward to two groups. JM Harvey So Daiho Hilbert wrote: With palms together, Good Morning Everyone, Our Zen is our life, not our rules or precepts

[Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Good morning to All, Our Teacher, Chan Master Wu Jue Miao Tian remind us repeatedly, Our practice begins with Bodhisatva. what does it mean? This statement can be understood in many ways. Position our heart at the Bodhisatva level to begin, so that we are already closer to be a Buddha.

Re: [Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
And more clearly, until we are ready to place our heart at the Bodhisatva position, our practice does not begin. Yet, when we do place our heart as a Bodhisatva, everything just happens - teaching would make more sense, life will be more liberating, less pain while sitting, etc. etc. JM Jue

[Zen] Re: Pretense

2008-02-19 Thread Jackson Masters
Jue Miao Jing Ming - wrote: Thank you Sensei. I really really like the way you put it. With your permission, I shall forward to two groups. I missed the part where he gave his permission. That should have been the condition precedent to your post? Is this one of those koans, like I will ask

[Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008

2008-02-19 Thread cid830
Al, I don't know what to make of you. You give people a forum to share and discuss their beliefs, and then you mock them? I understand the making lite of people who are too full of themsevles, especially relating to Zen, but you sit in judgement of everyone? I guess you just don't believe in

[Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-19 Thread cid830
Al, Obviously you are incapable of being taught, so why the call for teachers? JM has taught me plenty, and he has tried to teach you. Those who proclaim their credentials, may not be the best to learn from. But I guess they would be fun to make fun of, if that is your intent. Current

[Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-19 Thread v
cid830 Obviously you are incapable of being taught, so why the call for teachers? Perhaps it is because the highly opinionated and generally uninformed discourse among the non-educated is boring? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about

[Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-19 Thread cid830
I don't mind that you're non-educated... you're discourse is not usually boring to me... neither are any of the other posts that come up here. But I guess that's saying alot about me, huh. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it

Re: [Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-19 Thread Al
From: cid830 I guess that's saying alot about me, huh I guess it says that you cannot hate all the time. Good for you. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread Al
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - We face ourselves honestly. We love others with compassion. We do the best we can without expectation. I am going to focus on just that. I remember Krishnamurti seemed to have a harder edge in terms of his philosophy, which was something of buddhism and also what he

Re: [Zen] Re: Pretense

2008-02-19 Thread Al
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - I signed up many lists include this one with the intention to learn Zen-English You are doing great. Rev. Sodaiho was/is a member (not sure if he is still on). He used to post regularly until he started blogging. I used to read his blog all the time but then he changed

Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008

2008-02-19 Thread Al
From: cid830 I don't know what to make of you. You give people a forum to share and discuss their beliefs, and then you mock them? Yes, you do not understand me. I do not understand you. I try to illustrate things in my own way. Some people get it, and some people don't. That is all I can do.

Re: [Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-19 Thread Al
From: cid830 Obviously you are incapable of being taught, so why the call for teachers? You know, you were sending me personal hate-emails a while back and I let it slide. Apparently you have some kind of issue with me and perhaps you should disclose what it is in full detail and maybe that

RE: [Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread BillSmart
? __ NOD32 2886 (20080219) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go

RE: [Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread BillSmart
Al, There are of course now those that are only peddling zen to make a buck. That was probably inevitable when zen moved to the West, especially in the US where avarice is the national pastime. But I don't look at these as representative of the zen to which I was introduced in the 1960's by

[Zen] Re: Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread cid830
That is what I like about this Forum! Well put, Bill. Zen is within. You can talk and analyze until you are blue in the face, but until you follow a disciplined practice you cannot appreciate the awareness it brings. I do so appreciate the wisdom and insight that comes from those who

[Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-19 Thread cid830
Dude, I sent you one e-mail asking if you were an idiot. It sounds like you received others as well. That was a mis-understanding and I apologized for it... I thought you were inviting personal e-mails, but it turns out you were just mocking another person that was. Anyway, I think my

Re: [Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-19 Thread Al
From: cid830 I don't care if you are the Moderator. That is the sad part... for NINE YEARS? And you seemed to have not learned a thing. I think you just feed off of making light of nice people's posts. That is your perception and you are entitled to your fantasy. Irony and comedy are too

[Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-19 Thread Al
From: BillSmartI was introduced in the 1960's by a couple of Japanese zen masters living very modestly in Los Angeles, Whatever happened to those kind of people? I remember back when people did favors and helped others without regard for themselves and that went around and around and when you

RE: [Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-19 Thread BillSmart
Al, I know the following was a rhetorical question: Bill: I was introduced in the 1960's by a couple of Japanese zen masters living very modestly in Los Angeles, Al: Whatever happened to those kind of people? ...but I'll answer anyway. One of the zen masters, the older one who was in his

Re: [Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-19 Thread mike brown
Bill: `...a long-haired, bearded hippie`.I knew it! I knew it! Add clairvoyant to my list of many titles. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-19 Thread mike brown
Whoa! What a coupla shady looking characters. By the way, who picked up who...? ___ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/