Margie,
So, you think 'The atom certainly existed long before humans came along to
see it.' Did it? That sounds like the old question of 'if a tree falls
in the forest and no one is there, is there a sound?'. I'd extend that
question to 'if there is no one there, is there a forest?, is there a
Hi Margie,
Maybe even siblings? I've always thought I was probably switched at
birth, or maybe dropped off from another planet. :-)
Edgar
On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:04 PM, roloro1557 wrote:
Hi Edgar-
That's really interesting... We have a similar tone to out poetry, we
have polish
Right on, Brother Bill. Anything written down, spoken about are just
forms to describe a direct connection to the universal life force and
wisdom.
As Edgar stated numerous times, nothing else matters... When we
let go of our mind, we let go of our frame of reference. No more
capable of
Great explanation Bill. I always understood zen to be the following.
A special transmission outside the scriptures;
No dependence upon words and letters;
Direct pointing to the human mind;
Seeing into one's own nature and attaining Buddhahood.
These 4 lines are what attracted me to zen. It is
No 'transmission' of Zen is possible. You can't transmit direct
experience of reality from one person to another. It's just a matter
of opening one's own eyes. A teacher or whatever may help trigger
such an awakening, but that is not 'transmission'.
As I've said before the only thing that
Well, in our school, this transmission is the transmission of Buddha
Heart. An energy form that is pure clearing up the remains of the
blockage of the recipient.
Edgar Owen wrote:
No 'transmission' of Zen is possible. You can't transmit direct
experience of reality from one person to
As we all get older, and some of us are a lot older, the question for
me now is this: Does Zen give you everything you want? Are you willing
to die sitting on a cushion just saying this is it? No Heaven for
you? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms??
In Zen (and/or Chan), what is Accountability? One issue that has come
up many times over the years is that some folks think Zen is just Do
whatever you want, whenever you want, to or with whomever you want.
This philosophy goes to everything, including sex, relationships,
money, etc.
So is
Al,
What's the alternative?
The way I think about death is that it doesn't exist. Literally. Zen
is consciousness and we can only be conscious of life. We can never
be conscious of being dead, so what's the problem? The only reality
is the instantaneous present moment. That is always here
Bill,
I was hoping you would chime in on that point. I know that
often times it's a matter of symmantics or labels that we have to
use to describe what you call JUST THIS!. I really don't want to go
around and around defining terminologies. Siddharta Guatama is the
one who found the path
Hi Al,
For me zen does give me everything I want. Most definitely I don't
want to die sitting on a cushion - I want to die with my boots on as
the old saying goes. I don't believe in heaven or nirvana, anyway even
if I did I would not want to go to heaven or nirvana unless everyone
and all life
Yes, JMJM, but doesn't your school rely heavily on the Buddha's
teachings to come to this realization? Under whose influence do you
connect to the universal life force? Who designed the principals
that you follow?
Thank You,
Chris
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Zen is to be Free from Want! Who is willing to die, where ever they
are? If you truly experience your being, at one with the NOW,
your Heaven is here. You can't worry about what will happen after
you die, because who REALLY knows?
Later,
Chris
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Al [EMAIL
Al,
'Accountability' is covered in Buddhism by the concept of karma, and in the
Christian concept of 'as you sow, so shall you reap', or a more positive
spin 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'. Karma is neither
good nor bad, it's just a cosmic or spiritual version of
Well Chris, I am not sure I understand your question. The way our
Teacher teaches is nothing but meditation for 15 years. Then he
correlates Buddhist sutras and Tao Te Ching to our experience. I was
taught by one of his students. Also nothing but meditation for 5-6
years, then gradually
Al,
It's all in the attitude...It's not, 'this is it? No Heaven for you? No
Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms??'.
It's Just THIS!, Heaven! Nirvana! Nothing! Worms!
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Al
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:15 AM
To:
Well, these are important questions, Al. Chan does not have a big Bible
or Superior Court. My personal experience is that everyone of us are
rewarded accordingly. Meaning, we suffer because what we have done in
this life or previous. We are peaceful and content also because what we
have
It's not very enlightened of me, I know, but I'm sorry I started this
part of the thread. I don't want to make anyone feel bad for believing
whatever they believe. I don't want to be misunderstood or made out a
monster for believing what I believe. I mean no offense to anyone by
anything written
Hi Chris,
I agree whatever works, but given ordinary human nature it is very
easy to get lost in particular disciplines (or lack of them) on the
way. Better to just cut through the illusion and realize you are
already there and always have been.
Edgar
On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:21 PM,
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Margie,
So, you think 'The atom certainly existed long before humans came
along to
see it.' Did it? That sounds like the old question of 'if a tree
falls
in the forest and no one is there, is there a sound?'. I'd extend that
JM,
The whole idea of karma, or fairness or justice in life is an
illusion. Zen is dealing with what actually happens and not expecting
'good' things to happen because we are 'good'. True Zen is keeping
one's Zen no matter how 'good' or 'bad' things are, no matter what
happens. Zen is
That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules..
Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can kill, burn, steal, rape... No
retrubution, no karma. What is the purpose of working hard on zen or others?
Please enlighten me.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sat, 4/10/08,
Margie,
You wrote:
Am I the only one who is struck funny that a writer (me) is having a
text-only discussion about the difficulties and uselessness of words!?
I know you are a recent participant to this forum, but this is a theme that
I rail about all the time - especially when I get painted
Hi Edgar,
On second look at my own post, it can be interpreted as per your post
below. I apologize. What I am trying to say is.
Concept of justice is a judgment call exists in our mind only. There is
no such concept in the universe.
The peace and quiet is the true state of our well
Hi Chris, The Sixth Patriarch's school is called the school of instant
enlightenment. It is for people like Edgar. The classmate of the Sixth
Patriarch, Shen-Xiu found the school of gradual enlightenment in the
north of China, where most of those like me belong. :-)
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? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms??
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