RE: [Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-03 Thread BillSmart
DP, Asking if this makes sense is asking if it is rational, and that is what Jack Kornfield (and I) would call illusions. Jack Kornfield is correct. Just pure sensory experience without any thinking or judging – only awareness. That’s why I call it Just THIS! Just THIS! is Buddha

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-03 Thread BillSmart
DP, In my opinion zen practice is not at all dependent upon cognitive abilities. In fact the usual beginning training is all geared to lead you to the point where you stop your cognitive processes. Zen practice is only dependent upon sensory awareness, only experiencing - not rationalizing

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-03 Thread mike brown
Kristy, You wrote:  If you have faith, there is a whole sphere they are ignorant about.  However, this isn't really the whole story. Many atheists were once believers who have seen thru 'faith' and have rejected it for what it is. Moreover, I am ignorant of what it is to be a neo-nazis, but

Re: [Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-03 Thread mike brown
DP, Try to put your mind in that place just before a word is spoken or a thought arises. That place is empty of the web of concepts we tend to put over the things we see and experience. In Japanese it is 'mu-shin' or 'no-mind'. Mike From: DP

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-03 Thread Kristy McClain
Good Morning Mike,   Excellent point. You're right. Thanks for clarifying that.  :) K --- On Sun, 10/3/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To:

[Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
Are you a Christian? If not, you are speaking as an outsider. That simply does not represent the Christianity I've been exposed to. The Bible is a complicated book compiled from many different sources who were trying to understand their world. I don't accept the idea of is it the word of God

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-03 Thread Kristy McClain
Good Morning Bill, (well--its morning where I am),   Okay, this is one of the hairs I split with you about   what zen is or isn't. I agree that our  sensory experiences are key, and it is the mindful awareness of same which serve as a foundation, but compassion, wisdom ,  equanimity are also

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, I'm interested to find out more about your church's philosophy as the Christian religion has a history of punishing/forbiding beliefs and behaviour outside of scripture and dogma. I don't think it's a 

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: Kristy, You wrote:  If you have faith, there is a whole sphere they are ignorant about.  However, this isn't really the whole story. Many atheists were once believers who have seen thru 'faith' and have rejected it

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote: Well~~  I think buddhism and certainly zen are  anti-intellectual. In zen,  we  aim to get rid of our head. The idea is to get out of your own way..   Kristy  That isn't their only criticism, of course.

Re: [Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-03 Thread Kristy McClain
*bows* DP,   I'm not sure which JK book you are reading, but I am guessing it may be, The Wise Heart?  I do  a fair amount of reading in buddhist psychology and philosophy.  I am  ignorant of much of the history and such at this point of my own training.   A couple of books you may want to look

[Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-03 Thread DP
Thank you Yes, it was The Wise Heart. I am quite enjoying it. However, I like reading Buddhist stuff in spurts, switching to other stuff every once in awhile. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote: *bows* DP,   I'm not sure which JK book you are reading, but

Re: [Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-03 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Possibly nothing? Just sit. Reading can't increase your confidence in what you know to be true and important nearly as well as sitting. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 2, 2010, at 19:35, DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca wrote: What can I read about this that will help me

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
I could not have said it better myself. But my minister has always left me with something to think about. It was while learning about Buddhism that I came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter whether Jesus was the son of God or whether he was resurrected. What matters is what he said. ---

Re: [Zen] Should we disturb zazen practice with issues like this?

2010-10-03 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, cid830 summitj...@... wrote: Ed, I haven't kept up with the Zen Forum for several months. It seems I come back to where I left off, always agreeing with Master Bill. Chris, Agreeing with Master Bill on what? In recalling past posts I always seemed to

Re: [Zen] Mind

2010-10-03 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   Thank you for interesting posts as always. We need a different points of views to avoid dullness. Yours is always refreshing, and unfortunately also controversial.   The reason that in Chinese literature there is only the word 'heart', when it should mean 'mind' is that there is no

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-03 Thread Anthony Wu
If you think death is the end of everything, then we lose our minds. This is a big question. Many insist life and mind will continue, one way of the other, after death. Then we don't lose it.   Anthony --- On Sun, 3/10/10, DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
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[Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-03 Thread Bill!
Good Morning Kristy, No, I didn't mean to suggest that qualities such as compassion, wisdom and equanimity arise from sensory awareness. Such concepts as these arise from your dualistic, rational mind. This is the mind on which DP is unclear and is worried about loosing. This mind is the