Re: [Zen] illusion

2010-10-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Edgar, Thank you for your support. Let me elaborate further. Words, thoughts, concepts and this discussion are all like waves in the ocean. They appear and disappear. One reflects on the other interdependently. The value of all comments posted exists only relative to each other. Like

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Mayka, I think so, too. that's my point about people bleating about being offended as though that settles the argument or ends it. Mike From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 23:49:40 Subject:

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Mayka, Don't wanna get drawn into this argument but I feel you both could have reacted in so many different ways than you both did. Always try to remember that communication by email if frought with dangers due to small nuances of communication being lost. I get the feeling that if you and

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Kristy, I think I'm much more like your dad - I like the description 'gender-blind' : ) I also have a daughter (and 2 sons) and have always encouraged her in any endeavour she wishes to undertake. Gender is not a consideration. I also agree regarding the differences between the sexes and

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
DP, Thanks for the correction, but the point still stands as the debate included people who were ultimately arguing for the presidency of the US. When you say they were widely ridiculed in the press, by whom - Comedy Central, Bill O'Reilly, Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter etc? According

[Zen] Re: Hello(from Australia)

2010-10-06 Thread gunnar19632000
Greetings DP and to all members of the forum Thank you. I'm going through the whole bible for the moment, and I'm currently with the Book of Deuteronomy. I'm not sure if I'm as well-read as you, but the holy book and the Law currently interests me. But yes, I welcome your book suggestions for

[Zen] Re: Hello(from Australia)

2010-10-06 Thread gunnar19632000
Greetings to the forum I thank you for your welcome thank you Mel Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread BillSmart
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Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Anthony, Criticism from people within religion is not the same as criticism from people outside religion. A belief in faith allows (some) people to indoctrinate children in the most evil and despicable ways (take a look at the documentary 'Jesus Camp'). If I was to do the same thing in the

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Anthony, This must be some inscrutable Asian reply because I have no idea what you're talking about yet get the feeling it must be something profound and enigmatic. Mike From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October,

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Jane, Only if you were condenmed to remain in this forum ; ) Mike From: Jane ch...@austin-lane.net To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 11:22:13 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   One is

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
DP, I'll limit myself to answering some of the more pertinent points. You say it would be frightening if someone with these fundemental beliefs was ever nominated. But they have been (ie, Reagan, as already mentioned) and also Bush advocates for the inclusion of creationism in public schools.

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
DP, Never said I thought it was offensive, so you can't plead innocent when there was no charge in the first place. I understand your point/frustration if you were trying to discuss a specific situation or particular point about religion and were meet with arguments about religion in general 

Re: [Zen] the ongoing argument

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
DP,   so I refuse to include your (pardon my language) asinine,   You'll never get to heaven using that kind of language, sir. Repent.    bumper-sticker sentiment in my subject line. Hoot if u think religion sux!   Mike

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, I'll limit myself to answering some of the more pertinent points. You say it would be frightening if someone with these fundemental beliefs was ever nominated. But they have been (ie, Reagan, as already mentioned)

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, Never said I thought it was offensive, so you can't plead innocent when there was no charge in the first place. I understand your point/frustration if you were trying to discuss a specific situation or particular

Re: [Zen] the ongoing argument

2010-10-06 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP,   so I refuse to include your (pardon my language) asinine,   You'll never get to heaven using that kind of language, sir. Repent. I have nothing to repent for. Your comment was indeed asinine. As I've said every

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread Maria Lopez
Mike:   I didn't do anything to that lady to be attacked in the way she did just for a miss spelling over her name after writing a kind post to her.  And as for the rest ...no chance. Mayka --- On Wed, 6/10/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread Maria Lopez
Thank you Anthony --- On Wed, 6/10/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 1:32   Kristy,   I don't

[Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread Maria Lopez
Hello all:   Whatever them has always welcome in this forum.  And that has made from this forum a nice one to participate on.  However, it has been noticeable to me  that the forum is getting less zen and more chatting and religious, politics themes.  That is gaining strenght and overtaking all

[Zen] Re: Note

2010-10-06 Thread DP
Mayka, i apologize for my part in introducing the subject. I did not intend this to go this far. In fact, I regret that I'm contributing to the same thing I was upset about on other forums. Originally I wanted to ask how to deal with my need to resolve these arguments, which are ultimately

Re: [Zen] Re: Note

2010-10-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
DP, If I may share Chan perspective on these subjects... Chan is a pure internal spiritual journey. Because it is pure internal, it is difficult to truthfully be described by words. Thus it is taught without words or formality. Religion is an external display of the internal spirit. It

Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Mayka, Fair enough. I've been pretty quiet on the forum recently, but felt I had to respond to DP's assertion that atheists were gloating over scoring higher in a questionaire on religion. As an atheist myself I couldn't let that pass. My responses were pretty much designed to goad a reaction

Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread DP
One thing: you weren't on the forum, snf I have to say indeed they were gloating. For me it was Christianity that led me to Zen, so I cannot discount either. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: Mayka, Fair enough. I've been pretty quiet on the forum

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
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Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
DP, My impression was that you were talking about atheists in general. My bad. I'm happy that Christianity brought you to Zen. Mike From: DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 7 October, 2010 7:06:39 Subject: Re: [Zen] Note  

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Mike,   There is nothing profound or enigmatic. It is just language fun. There is always confusion in Asian languages regarding 'r' and 'l'. The Thais tend to pronounce everything with 'l'. You must know that, because in Japan, you must 'rock' your door, when you go out.   Anthony --- On Wed,

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
I have an IQ of 20. What should I do? Oh c'mon, Anthony. I would have thought you were at least in the high 30's  : ) Mike

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread mike brown
Anthony, Indeed. I often get the kids to 'crap' hands while singing the ABC song. Mike From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 7 October, 2010 7:21:21 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in

Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   If the forum only allowed topics related to zen, it would become full of dogs and shit. Zen is involved in everything, so we can roam to many realms. Don't worry, if it strays too far away, we have two moderators to pull it back.   Anthony --- On Thu, 7/10/10, Maria Lopez

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Mike,   I appreciate your compliments. Still, it is below Bill's minimum of 40, but not too far. I have to work harder.   Anthony --- On Thu, 7/10/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind To:

Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Edgar Owen
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Re: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
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Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread Maria Lopez
Mike;     As I was pointing out to a post to DP; from time to time someone amongst us gives a bell to help us all back into the flow of zen.  I always enjoy and benefit from your posting whatever subject you talk about.  you have always seem to have a funny occurrence or a valuable insight or

Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread Maria Lopez
Anthony:   .  Do you think it was incorrect of me to give the bell instead of being themselves doing so?.  I  didn't think in terms of moderators when I wrote the message but in terms of practice.  Forum has and keeps being opened to all themes.  You know that yourself.   Mayka    --- On Wed,

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread Jody W. Ianuzzi
Yes, my dog has Buddha nature. Actually, she lives in the moment and she can sit far better then I can. JODY Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your

RE: [Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-06 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, My responses are embedded below: Bill, I have an IQ of 20. What should I do? [Bill!] Follow the Tao. Do dogs have Buddha Nature? Get ready to get a slap from Joshu. [Bill!] Ouch! _.___

[Zen] New member.

2010-10-06 Thread phoebepfox
Thank you all for this group. I am currently studying a book called Zen Flesh Zen Bones. Does anyone else have this text or is currently reading it? I would like very much to study and discuss the Koans in this book and/ or post Koans here to be discussed with all. I am currently working on a