Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread ED
Bill, Anthony and All, Yes. One can tap many sources on the Internet for a definition of 'zen', and derive little understanding as to what zen is really about. For an insight into zen, one may better seek answers to a series of questions such as: o What, if any, is the worldview of zen?

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread Maria Lopez
Hi ED:   Just for the seek of responding your posting questionnaire.  Though, don't take too seriously any responses from me or anyone or you run the risk of finding yourself more disorientated than before asking any question. --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread ED
Bill, I hear you, understand you and appreciate the clear way in which you explain the matter. I would not have made the statement had I not out of the blue, whilst leading a normal and ordinary life, without any zazen or meditation or spiritual practices or medications or thoughts of

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Hi ED: Just for the seek of responding your posting questionnaire. Mayka, thank you so much for sharing your perspectives. --- What, if any, is the worldview of zen? I don't know. Are there worlview zen?. I think

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread Maria Lopez
ED: What are the most common motivations and expectations that direct individuals toward zen practice? Mayka: No motivation, no expectations.  No search for zen.  No interest for zen. The only thing is that after going in circles and just by a chance one day one discovers that there is:

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-18 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Your agnostic position is as much as to take a position of no position, at least for the time being. Are you waiting for it to be proven by science? But is the scientific proof final? Once Newton was consifered final, until Einstein appeared.   Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-18 Thread Anthony Wu
Kristy,   It is easy to make them go on the same road. Just repeat the Mantra: you are illusion, you are illusion...   Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-18 Thread Anthony Wu
Easier said than done. The best way to kill all discursive thinking is to become a zombie.   Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Are you kidding? If you are denied of making yourself happier, shouldn't you kill Buddhism and/or zen?   Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-18 Thread ED
Anthony, Anthony, My position is: The data required to determine the truth or falsity of karma/retribution or rebirth is not currently available (and will never be available.) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: ED, Your agnostic position is as much

RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-18 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Your contradictory statement must be killed, if you don't want to end up in an asylum. Probably you would be happier, and I am as well,  over there.   The rest of your remarks below are very rational.   Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   My answers are embedded below: --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 18 October, 2010, 11:03 PM   Bill, Anthony and All, Yes.  One can

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-18 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   It is OK whatever you say. However, if I follow you, am I free to kill, rob and loot?   It is OK to kill buddha, Socrates or Mao Zedong. But when I stand on the brink of a precipice, what do I do?   Anthony --- On Tue, 19/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-18 Thread ED
Anthony, If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him . signifies: [Zen is] a special transmission outside of the scriptures, No reliance on words and letters, A direct pointing to the heart/mind of man, And the realization of enlightenment. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread Maria Lopez
Ok ED:   Since your valuation of zen is limited to recognised zen Masters and not as much by the non famous, I'd like give you another clue this time by  Master Dogen: If you want to know me, meet me at zazen   Mayka --- On Mon, 18/10/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread Maria Lopez
ED:    May I ask you:  Do you need from the assertion of any Teacher to tell you that you breathe?.  Don't you know that already?.    Mayka     --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-18 Thread ED
Mayka, Leaving aside any differences we might have in the method for realizing of Buddha Mind - and I doubt we do - what is your position with respect to the following statement: o Is it the case that zazen and other zen practices, over a long period of time, under the guidance of an

Re: [Zen] Re: Beverly Hills Zen

2010-10-18 Thread Kristy McClain
*bows*   *sigh*  I feel dis-heartened. Apparently, Gempo Roshi will be offering a weekend session--  in Beverly Hills.    I have no bias that those of modest means should be the only ones to receive zen wisdom.  Its not the money, really.  I have a disgustingly wealthy sister--lets not go