Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-30 Thread siska_cen
Very clearly, simply and didactically explicated Exactly how I feel, can't put it any better. Thank you. siska -Original Message- From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:28:37 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Maria Lopez
Thanks ED.  I appreciate your kind words and understanding.  Your tolerance says a lot of good about you.   However, I'd like to warn you about me that I do suffer from temperamental tantrums specially when real communication shades away. It's fair that you know this about me so that you don't

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Maria Lopez
Bill;   I apologise.  I over-reacted and missed out the joke!   Mayka --- On Sat, 30/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 30

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Maria Lopez
JMJM;   There is a way of relenting the form of the words making them come out as a manifestation of Buddha, Jesus, god, Ala, Krishna, universal energy of the heart... and that is the one of, breathing we are online!.   I've been having under observation myself reactions while posting to the

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread siska_cen
Hi Bill, I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of someone else's In essence, aren't they the same? siska -Original Message- From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:12:29 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-30 Thread siska_cen
Enlightenment is reached from every day life... Not: every day life IS enlightenment? siska -Original Message- From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:22:01 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ED
Mayka said: You right and there is no attachment to any of those sensations appearing in the body and in the mind. Mayka, How can a person ever be certain that he/she is not possessed by an attachment or an aversion? Would not others, and epecially one's own guide (zen, spiritual or

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill... wrote: You are correct that you shouldn't form an attachment to either your own experience or intellectual knowledge - but it is important to note that the experience, even its memory, is your experience; whereas whatever you read or are taught is at

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Thanks ED. I appreciate your kind words and understanding. Mayka, thanks to you too; I feel happy too now that we are attempting to communicate with each other. Your tolerance says a lot of good about you. The

Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Siska, That quote I posted was how it was in the sutra, the exact words are, Dharma is in the secular world, Buddha is awakened from the secular world. Due to our ego, usually majority of us consider every day events are not perfectly desirable. That's perhaps the reason for the sutra

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Dear Mayka, Indeed. When we reach a level, where we could be able to differentiate our mental construct from true heart, our intentions could be directly touching the heart of others. Otherwise, we could be just indulging our ego in the reincarnation of the relativities of logic and

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ChrisAustinLane
When I read a lot of Zen Enlightenment stuff, I find my sitting is then filled up with what i label Zen thoughts - thoughts that attempt to portray themselves as wisdom or as good Zen experiences. I personally find those to be even more obscuring than the non-Zen thoughts about various

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Siska, I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. There is absolutely the experience of reading. That’s yours, and that might invoke a similar experience to what the writer is writing about. That’s the goal of good writing –

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed} When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one's own intrinic wisdom-mind, no? [Bill!] I assume by 'intrinic [sic] wisdom-mind' you mean 'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Mind'. If that's so, then I disagree with you -

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Siska, I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. There is absolutely the experience of reading. That’s yours, and that might invoke a similar experience to what the writer is writing about. That’s the goal of good writing –

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Chris, I wholeheartedly agree with you that thoughts about zen can be the most bothersome. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChrisAustinLane Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 12:55 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc:

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Siska, I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. There is absolutely the experience of reading. That’s yours, and that might invoke a similar experience to what the writer is writing about. That’s the goal of good writing –

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Siska, I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. There is absolutely the experience of reading. That’s yours, and that might invoke a similar experience to what the writer is writing about. That’s the goal of good writing –

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Siska, I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. There is absolutely the experience of reading. That’s yours, and that might invoke a similar experience to what the writer is writing about. That’s the goal of good writing –