Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine

2010-10-31 Thread siska_cen
Hi JMJM, Can you please tell me more about this sutra? siska -Original Message- From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:23:54 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen]

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread siska_cen
[Bill!] I used the word 'value' in my previous post. Perhaps that was a badword. What I meant to say is that experience is everything and the onlything you have. When you have a direct experience, like tasting a grape,you have that experience. When you read someone's else's account of tastinga

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Siska, I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. Bill, And, what is the signifance of this (personally-experienced) difference? There is absolutely the experience of

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 7:42, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Do persons not have a choice as to what they think/feel is important to themselves? I certainly do not seem to; sometimes I know what is important to me, sometimes even that is

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed] When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one's own intrinsic wisdom-mind, no? [Bill!] I assume by 'intrinsic wisdom-mind' you mean 'Buddha Mind' or

[Zen] Sutra Study

2010-10-31 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hello Siska, Thank you for asking. Sutra is nothing but a description of Buddha's journey. Bible is nothing but a description of Jesus' journey. The difference of the two is only in the length. Buddha spoke for 49 years and Jesus had only about 3 years. Yet they both were enlightened

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: Do persons not have a choice as to what they think/feel is important to themselves? I certainly do not seem to; sometimes I know what is important to me, sometimes even that is mysterious. I have had very poor results to

[Zen] Study vs. practice

2010-10-31 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Dear all, I noticed that some of us in the forum are studying or trying to understand zen, while some of us emphasizes that zen can only be experienced. Perhaps both have merits. If you have not watch this video by a Harvard trained neuroanatomist. Please do so.

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
ED: PS: Mayka, please don't allow my own brutal truthfulness, sometimes expressed humorously, to bother you too much: It is driven by good intentions.   Mayka: What kind of brutal truthfulness are you refering to?. Sincerely don't know what are you talking about.    --- On Sat,

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, Of what value is tasting the peach to yourself, your friends and loved ones, or to humanity in general? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: Sit down and you'll be having yourself experience here. No much point to tell you the taste of a

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
ED: This summer I asked my boyfriend to bring me a pair of those big watering peaches from Spain. I didn't  waste time asking him the value of the peaches.  I just enjoyed eaten them since we don't have here in the UK such a delicious fruits. Mayka   --- On Sun, 31/10/10, ED

Re: [Zen] Study vs. practice

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
JMJM:   I have watched this video before.  Somebody sent me this video some time ago.  I enjoyed it from its dynamism.   Mayka   --- On Sun, 31/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: [Zen] Study vs. practice To:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, So, your experiences of Buddha Mind are entirely for your own pleasure? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: This summer I asked my boyfriend to bring me a pair of those big watering peaches from Spain. I didn't waste time asking him the

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
ED:  Sit down and you'll be having yourself experience here.  No much point to tell you the taste of a peach when you can eat and taste by yourself what does it look like.   Mayka   --- On Sat, 30/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen]

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
ED:   What's Buddha mind?.  What do you mean by buddha mind are for my own pleasure?.  Is it a new dharma am not aware of from the complementary lote different strokes for different folks?.    Mayka     --- On Sun, 31/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, Why do you do zazen? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: What's Buddha mind?. What do you mean by buddha mind are for my own pleasure?. Is it a new dharma am not aware of from the complementary lote different strokes for different

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   This post of yours have been repeated at least six times. At the rate of 10c per piece, you are getting 60c or Baht 18. How much flight lice can you get for that?   Anthony --- On Sun, 31/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Your highlighted words have awakened my non-wisdom mind. Do you mean you already knew Buddhism and zen before reading Christmas Humphrey and Alan Watts. Only you forgot them, but were again reminded by the two authors. You are a prophet.   Anthony --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED

Re: [Zen] Sutra Study

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
JMJM,   I have learned a lot from this forum. Your remarks below enlightened me, as I comment on your highlighted words: --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: [Zen] Sutra Study To:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka/ED,   I know the value. A local pear costs you a yuan (15c). But one from Spain will have to be paid for, after the high counter-veiling duty, with $2.   Anthony --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re:

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
yess. --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 4:18 AM   Mayka, So, your experiences of Buddha Mind are entirely for your

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, Because I am not sufficiently motivated to realize Buddha Nature. Why do you do zazen? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED; Why don't you do zazen? Mayka Mayka, Why do you do zazen? --ED

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Anthony, No. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: ED, Your highlighted words have awakened my non-wisdom mind. Do you mean you already knew Buddhism and zen before reading Christmas Humphrey and Alan Watts. Only you forgot them, but were again reminded by

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Responses below. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:47, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Nevertheless, in our society today, we tend to grant people the autonomy to do their own thing and arrive at their own insights in the fullness of time. So you are

[Zen] FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Study vs. practice

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
experience here.  No much point to tell you the taste of a peach when you can eat and taste by yourself what does it look like.    Mayka   __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5580 (20101031) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
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RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
by Alan Watts. Although often I did not 'understand' intellectually what was being said, reading it aroused much joy in me.   __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5580 (20101031) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
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