[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Mel
How about doing good, and then moving onto other matters without dwelling on thoughts of having done such and such acts of goodness, whatever it is/was? I personally would even go so far as to forget about entirely all that ensuing 'feel good' moment, after having committed whatever act(s) of

[Zen] scholarly 'zen', Dalai Lama, magic, etc

2010-12-22 Thread Mel
Hello - A young man of Theravada tendencies once spoke to me of being a monk-scholar. The Buddhist path to him, meant lots of scriptural(scriptural??) study, and all other studies associated with being a temple monk - I mentioned before of a young Thai boy who recommended that I get my Buddha

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Bill!
Mel, That sounds a lot like what a great bodhisattva is reported to have taught: Matthew 6:2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward

[Zen] Re: Liberation

2010-12-22 Thread ED
Good morning, JMJM, You said: she has learned to give, to give, to give, to serve, to serve and serve. She just fulfilled each moment as always and more each day. Was Viki ever-so-slightly resentful of this situation, or did Viki rejoice in the opportunity afforded her by cultural mores and

Re: [Zen] Re: Liberation

2010-12-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Ed, Valid question. No different from you and I, Viki did not begin to serve and serve and give and give without feeling a sense of unfairness. As she practices to learn about life, she gradually shed of her unfair opinion of conditions in life. It is usually triggered by witnesses from

[Zen] Re: Liberation

2010-12-22 Thread ED
'Amen!' requires an end. Is there ever an *end* to the shenanigans in the typical human male-female relationship? ;-) --ED --- In zen_fo...@yahoogroup mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroup s.com, Bill! billsm...@... wrote: Do I hear an 'Amen!'? ...Bill! Good morning All, Viki has been

Re: [Zen] Liberation

2010-12-22 Thread ED
'Liberation' is not being attached to the benefit of one group to the detriment of another. But, as judged by whom? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@... wrote: I do agree that liberation in our society cannot be separated from feminism. The very first

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread ED
Or, take your pick: 'Imagine' or 'Just THIS.' --- Imagine Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the

Re: [Zen] Liberation

2010-12-22 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I often joke that in our world men have to turn to zazen and samu to obtain the benefit women traditionally and often obtain from waking early to tend to children and sweeping the floor. That life is not about one isolated individual is much more obvious when you perform traditional women's work.

Re: [Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Indeed. The world is one. It is we, who wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't.:'( Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 12/22/2010 10:45 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: The world is already one. With countries and peopleb that do not

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread ED
JMJM, one what? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: Indeed. The world is one.

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Ed, Chan in Chinese is 禪。 The Japanese pronounce the same character zen. In Chinese, the left half of the character means spirit as well as body. The right half of the character means Singular. Chan means the universe as a whole, including the visible and the invisible, the static and