Re: [Zen] Does anybody here write Haiku?

2010-08-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Awesome! Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Aug 31, 2010, at 5:55 PM, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Dave, First, five syllables, Second, seven syllables, Last line, five again. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Re: Death

2010-09-06 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, but it seems like I find myself sliding towards nihilism. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: Compassion for people is pretty useful. Compassion for what you imagine their mental state is seems pretty complicated. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent

Re: [Zen] Practical Mysticism - Evelyn Underhill

2010-09-12 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Living in the US but in this funny year of 2010 it seems like there is the beginning of a global culture with many varieties of cultural practice coming together to form interesting combinations. I am Episcopal, practice soto zen and take my kids to get Miso soup and California rolls when we

Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance

2010-09-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Stop pursuing/looking. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:58 PM, roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe: If one looks for zen in the absolute it goes into the relative, and if one looks for zen in the relative it goes into the absolute. . .

Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance

2010-09-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
My post was about 3/4 quotes from old stuff we chant at times, hopefully arranged into an appropriate pattern to make my point that zen, as I understand it, is nothing to do with our dreams to escape the mundane reality we see before us to achieve mystic union with some Beloved. It is not about

Re: [Zen] Can I practise Zen and still believe in God?

2010-09-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
And here I was going to say that Zen has a tradition of having people figure stuff out for themselves. People have always worshipped in groups and probably always will. I attend a Christian church and practice zazen. I don't run into trouble in either camp. I will say that as I become less

Re: [Zen] Can I practise Zen and still believe in God?

2010-09-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: And here I was going to say that Zen has a tradition of having people figure stuff out for themselves. People have always worshipped in groups and probably always will. I attend a Christian church and practice zazen. I don't run into trouble

Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance

2010-09-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
So what is Sufi training like? I assume there is no zazen, do they have dharma talks, retreats, interviews, work practise, meal practise? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:07, salik888 novelid...@aol.com wrote: Yes, much more . . . it is like Zen

Re: [Zen] Can I practise Zen and still believe in God?

2010-09-16 Thread ChrisAustinLane
and the external world with equanimity, intelligence, confidence and compassion. Of course the statement immediately above is 'wrong'. Please give us your best shot at a definition of zen or Zen. Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: And here I was going

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Comments within. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 20, 2010, at 5:53, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: No there is no enduring goodness or badness in *any* ethnic, racial, religious, cultural or national group. Not even any essential reality to any ethnic

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
The contents of writing arises quite naturally from culture. I have little doubt I would have had repellent beliefs if brought up in a repellent culture. Did you read the Third Chimpanzee? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:17, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-03 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Possibly nothing? Just sit. Reading can't increase your confidence in what you know to be true and important nearly as well as sitting. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 2, 2010, at 19:35, DP wookielife...@yahoo.ca wrote: What can I read about this that will help me

[Zen] Re: edgar's mails

2010-10-05 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Edgar, For some reason your mails are coming to me garbled. For me, I have not been as able to notice when the point of action occurring naturally as much from intellectual activity as from zazen. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone CM SPAM detection: spam References:

Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

2010-10-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
My teacher spoke of neither pushing away the moment nor grabbing onto the moment. Life flows through us peacefully. But many practitioners and neurologists emphasize that it is not not getting upset but recovering quickly and with awareness that is key. Irritants pop up from time to time. To

Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

2010-10-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:16, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: If mindfulness is show in a scientific way the outcome will be a disaster I have more faith. Scientists are humans, and there has already been much suffering relieved by

Re: [Zen] Zen-Brain Reflections

2010-10-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Have you read this book ED? I am about 1/2 way through the first one and it seems to have more emphasis and what happens during an enlightenment experience than what are the long term physiological changes from meditation. Does the second book go into the changes more? (and what about the

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Good point mayka, our brains do fit themselves to our living. One source of the idea of karma must be how people who are angry all the time make themselves ill, speaking statistically. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 20, 2010, at 0:56, Maria Lopez

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-21 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Understanding the changes that meditation makes in the brain seems pretty far removed from the action of sitting. I understand the science of why smoking is bad and why eating a morbid veggies is good, but I viscerally enjoy the smoke and not the brussel sprouts (as cooked by me at least).

Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

2010-10-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
. Breathing with her. It's the heart acting as the guide that brings all that sensitivity, unity between a patient and a carer, nurse, doctor...I wonder if they can make an statistics about the heart too. Mayka --- On Wed, 20/10/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote

Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

2010-10-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:38, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Therefore the would-be yeller needs ask himself/herself the question: No! That is just adding mental activity on top of the impulse to yell. If you are unsure about the yelling,

Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

2010-10-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:19, Mark Perew mpe...@gmail.com wrote: Nature does not complain, since nature does not have have any attachments to how things should be. Nature neither accepts nor rejects what is. Nature just is. This division of

Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

2010-10-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 16:40, Mark Perew mpe...@gmail.com wrote: Nature does not care what we do, because there is no person there to care. People are a part of nature. People are a part of nature that has a complex enough brain to get

Re: [Zen] Tantric Crazy Wisdom

2010-10-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I think Bill is reflecting the idiomatic usage. If you say Eat Your Heart Out, you have the gold/car/sex. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 14:49, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: heough I am not a native English speaker, my understanding is that when

Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

2010-10-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
statement. The separation from Nature is illusion, maya, etc. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:52 PM, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 16:40, Mark Perew mpe...@gmail.com wrote: Nature does not care

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
My son has just started kindergarten at a full immersion Spanish school, which means that the teachers only speak Spanish. I have been trying to speak some Spanish as a result, and it is truly interesting. My languages in school were all read languages, Latin, Greek, Old English, so my only

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-23 Thread ChrisAustinLane
message below to me/us? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: My son has just started kindergarten at a full immersion Spanish school, which means that the teachers only speak Spanish. I have been trying to speak some Spanish as a result

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-24 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 24, 2010, at 6:39, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: [ED] I am for demystifying zen, so that practitioners (prior to kensho) possess an understanding of what zen is about and why they expend so much time and effort sitting on a zafu,

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain

2010-10-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I fail to understand why you post third party readings without even a little personal commentary. Surely it is not the case that you regard the forum as the experts and yourself as lacking a worthwhile perspective. If there is some lesson from the third parties, then no doubt it would benefit

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:25, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: However, I encourage you and others to read and discuss it if you wish. Fortunately, the forum is an entertaining outlet for my writing and reading desires without the give and take over

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain

2010-10-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 25, 2010, at 18:19, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: All in due course. Cool. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Brain

2010-10-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:33, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Fair enough: You do what you do (set up requirements) and you get what you get (no interaction). Well said. The Buddha made no such demands, but skilfully interacted with people at their level of knowledge and

Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

2010-10-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
OF BOHIDHARMA and THE COLLECTED SONGS OF COLD MOUNTAIN. I have a book by Edward Conze entitled BUDDHIST WISDDOM that contains the Diamond and Heart Sutras. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChrisAustinLane Sent: Tuesday, October 26

Re: [Zen] Non-zen Question for Mike

2010-10-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
The other big difference is that today the defendant has a lawyer that generally takes the defense role more seriously than in the past. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:21, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Bill!, But there's a world of

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 28, 2010, at 23:24, Siska siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: Agree, a teacher would be nice to have. From where I stand, it is still not a must have, but then again, I'm open to the difference, if perhaps this is the way it is in Zen. At

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 29, 2010, at 14:34, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: but one can never be certain one is not fooling oneself. In acting, one is not fooling one's self. In thinking, one cannot be sure. Current

Re: [Zen] Non-zen Question for Mike

2010-10-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
There may not be a difference for the jurors but there is a difference for the group as a whole, since DNA analysis is more accurate than entrail reading. Modern technological societies require much more trust than less complex societies. Any one could buy some DNA sequencer and build some

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ChrisAustinLane
When I read a lot of Zen Enlightenment stuff, I find my sitting is then filled up with what i label Zen thoughts - thoughts that attempt to portray themselves as wisdom or as good Zen experiences. I personally find those to be even more obscuring than the non-Zen thoughts about various

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 7:42, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Do persons not have a choice as to what they think/feel is important to themselves? I certainly do not seem to; sometimes I know what is important to me, sometimes even that is

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Responses below. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:47, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Nevertheless, in our society today, we tend to grant people the autonomy to do their own thing and arrive at their own insights in the fullness of time. So you are

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-01 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Is it fair to observe you prefer to try to understand Bill's understanding of compassion, than feel compassion? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:08, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill, Wherein do you perceive any intelligence or wisdom in St.

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-01 Thread ChrisAustinLane
then or Christians today mean bycompassion? In Buddhism, what is compassion? Does zazen give rise to compassion? Depending on your definition of compassion, how does it benefit humanity? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: Is it fair to observe

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-01 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: You ask questions but do not answer. Compassion is not something to understand. Bill shows us compassion in his emailing. Compassion does not have a beginning nor an end. Compassion is not a thing to understand, compassion is what is left when we act without

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
You mean Kristy? I am not an alpha female. More like a beta male. It is not true in my experience that strong women cannot be friends. It happens all the time in non-male dominated arenas. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 10, 2010, at 6:01, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-12 Thread ChrisAustinLane
? Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: There is fixed immutable nature of human beings separate from the people themselves. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Anthony, That's the way human nature has evolved. --ED --- In Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I have read this. I have read all of his books. He has a certain punk style of writing that will put off some, but this book is basically a straightforward discussion of various apparent dilemmas of sexuality for modern Western Buddhists. Brad Warner is from a Soto Zen lineage, and pretty

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I believe Amazon pulled the book in question after people complained in detail about the book. I do the bulk of my reading on Kindle now. I find it to be excellent for a voracious reading style; I can carry twenty books on my bike and it is very light. It has a built in dictionary. He

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-15 Thread ChrisAustinLane
The most interesting fact that Chomsky discovered is that children learning a language have a wide variety of possible mistakes that they never make. I don't recall the examples now, but every kids struggles to make certain tricky sounds and with subject verb agreement, but linguists have big

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-15 Thread ChrisAustinLane
zen training and practice can show the individual not knowing. It is not all verbal games and negative assertions. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 15, 2010, at 11:38, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Mayka: Who knows? --ED --- In

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-15 Thread ChrisAustinLane
. What I know for certain is the warmth of this phone and the sweat drying on my shirt. Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: zen training and practice can show the individual not knowing. It is not all verbal games and negative assertions

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-15 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I'm no athlete. I do read excessively. Kristy should actually not read any Brad Warner books as he is pretty mean to Big Mind (tm) which I recall she recommended, or perhaps some related integral institute thing? He does have a book called Sit Down and Shut Up, which my kids find amazingly

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
ED: Your posts do have a tendency to come off as being sly and a bit mean, despite your claim to have transcended karma, I mean Judeo-Christian notions of morality. You will recall that Mayka's posts also rub some people the wrong way, a phenomenon that has been thoroughly dissected here

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:41, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: I do believe that the way you experience me and others is reality for you. That seems fundamentally wrong to me. There is just reality. You can try to cut reality into That other persons reality anytime we try to let you know

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 15:18 ED: Your posts do have a tendency to come off as being sly

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
:) I shall try to make this effort of yours effective. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 17, 2010, at 13:39, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Chris, I want you to post more. How do I upset you more? Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, I want you to post more. How do I upset you more? Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-18 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:23, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Your action has immediate consequences, as well as those afterwards. Worrying about those long term effects strikes me as being like worrying about what is the outcome of history or life. Who knows. (Worrying here in the sense

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-18 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Ok. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 18, 2010, at 13:10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: You already posted sufficiently, so I retract my effort. Thank you. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 20, 2010, at 13:03, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Bill, Chris' theory applies to you and Chris himself, but not to someone like Hitler or Pol Pot. They committed atrocities without compunction. No suffering in any part

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:18, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: Gosh-- I didn't realize you lived in CA. For some reason, I thought you lived in MD. I have been in California only two years and on this list constantly refer to my Maryland teacher and Sangha as I have not found a

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Babies do not split life into self and other. Also they do not get distracted by abstract worries. They are fully present in the moment. They are not much concerned with stuff outside of their own internal needs, but that is appropriate. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
It is very easy to feel there is no difference between self and other while alone, whether under a tree outside or in a server room. Maintaining that understanding while a person that knows you well and is really mad at you and is in some conflict with you is a different challenge. I

Re: [Zen] Re: New Member

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
An for a baby, that is right action, perfectly suitable to the conditions. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 25, 2010, at 7:32, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: In one way or another, in effect, babies are almost entirely focused on me-me-me, that is they are

[Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv!

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I really enjoy interacting with the zen forum. It is entertaining and educational (in the old sense, to be led out of myself). I bow to the ten directions in gratitude. May the winds of this day find all of you well! Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone

Re: [Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv!

2010-11-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
be so kind to explain which ones to an ignorant? With best wishes Lluís - Original Message - From: ChrisAustinLane To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:38 PM Subject: [Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv! I really enjoy interacting with the zen

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-27 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Pardon my intrusion into this interchange, but I strongly feel that why is a question each person must wrestle with for themselves. You seem to have an intellect very activated with a lot of questions with a lot of energy behind them. If you are content with that way of living, and it seems

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-28 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Nov 28, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Lana M. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't doing anything for gain (even good gain) contrary to Zen in the first place? I would say that the effort to achieve results is more likely to crinkle up your mind than to allow you to stop doing the things

Re: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2

2011-01-03 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 3, 2011, at 17:52, Mark Perew mpe...@gmail.com wrote: For me, the bell timer is an indicator as to how much I was in to my mediation. When the bell sounds and I am surprised that it is sounding so soon, then that is a clue that

Re: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2

2011-01-03 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, 2011, at 20:47, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 3, 2011, at 17:52, Mark Perew mpe...@gmail.com wrote: For me, the bell timer is an indicator as to how much I was in to my mediation. When the bell sounds and I am

Re: [Zen] Not understanding mindfulness

2011-01-12 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I do not think that followers of Judaism try very much to recruit new converts. Christianity and Islam are a bit more evangelistic, but I am left wondering about what you mean by Semitic evangelism. I ask for clarification on this forum because of some threads that asserted that westerner

Re: [Zen] Re: Not understanding mindfulness

2011-01-12 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I do not come to the forum expecting it to be a place just for practicing zen folk, and I am happy to apologize to Ed today. He has the upset because of my action, so it works well for me to respond in the way he is asking. I personally think, based on my own somewhat argumentative marriage,

Re: [Zen] an open-ended question(to Anthony)

2011-01-13 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Oh oh, I know, I know! What is real exactly is this moment. In my case this time, fingers touching glass. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:51, Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Anthony, The question was... ..what is real exactly?

Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older

2011-01-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I think the beliefs arise after the system. The beliefs may reinforce the system but do not cause the system and are not the system. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:28, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Bill and All, All systems, whether

Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older

2011-01-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 14, 2011, at 7:01, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: Mel pondered if my suggestion that Buddha's enlightment was impermanent, when I offered that even Buddha likely had bad hair days. I missed that thread, but it is an

Re: [Zen] beginner's mind, romantic moments, etc(to Rose/list)

2011-01-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Let me just say than when I am less distracted by my thinking, I am more prone to glance at people in the same room as I am. When I am more open to reality being different from what I prefer, I am more likely to notice person X is tense or sad or energetic (than to think 's!!! What now!?! Why

Re: [Zen] Pure Land Buddhism, heaven and hell, Monkey etc(to Steve/list)

2011-01-15 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Journey to the west is a great read! It is a funny funny entertaining book! I am about 1/2 of the way thru reading it aloud to my daughter. It is not a serious religious book except that it skewers many simplistic beliefs about heaven and hell and all that. Seems like there are too many

Re: [Zen] Pure Land Buddhism, heaven and hell, Monkey etc(to Steve/list)

2011-01-15 Thread ChrisAustinLane
him back to the human world. Cui did that as a favor to his good friend Wei Zheng the prime minister of the emperor. What an admirable position Cui is in. Anthony --- On Sun, 16/1/11, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re

Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list)

2011-01-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:12, Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Don't get me wrong, because I personally love my vegies, fruit, tofu, beans and so on...but I'm not quite clear on this 'vegetarian' thingy I am vegetarian and the thing I tell

Re: [Zen] Re: Scholarly approach(to Chris/list)

2011-02-06 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Feb 6, 2011, at 7:26, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: You mean you do not want to be 'all you can be'? ;-)--ED Is there something else I can be? But in fact, I get nervous when people start talking like they have transcended the

Re: [Zen] Scholarly approach

2011-02-06 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Feb 5, 2011, at 20:21, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow getting tired and feeling sleepy is not exactly the same to me. I don't know how to explain it. I would say tired is feeling exhausted, while sleepy is

[Zen] Adiós por una semana

2011-02-13 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I shall be sitting my first six day sesshin in the Santa Cruz mountains off grid. Wish me and my fatherless family luck! I hope the list members and the list discussions are well. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone Current Book

Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest

2011-02-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Love != idolization. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Feb 22, 2011, at 10:21, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SteveW eugnostos2000@... wrote: ... BTW, I agree entirely with you that people need to take responsibility for

Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?

2011-02-26 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Feb 26, 2011, at 6:42, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Could you kindly furnish a couple of examples that clarify the difference between 'distinctions' and 'evaluations'? Noe that is witty! --Chris Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you

Re: [Zen] What is the equivalent of 'pure awareness' in Zen?

2011-03-03 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Awareness. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:49, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike and All, What is the equivalent of 'pure awareness' in Zen? --ED --- http://www.sageramana.org/ The Self is pure awareness. I am Awareness

Re: [Zen] Realization

2011-03-03 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:39, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: what is unborn (Buddha Nature) has no beginning or end in time Which is not to say that it is a temporal phenomenon. It has no beginning, no end and no duration. Like 1+1=2

Re: [Zen] Realization

2011-03-05 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Our current configuration of posters is jndeed very effective at generating a lot of words quickly! It is interesting to see the dynamics of different types of posting personalities interact. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 4, 2011, at 23:56, Maria Lopez

Re: [Zen] Realization

2011-03-05 Thread ChrisAustinLane
the insight-building ball of samsara on this forum another push! ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Our current configuration of posters is jndeed very effective at generating a lot of words quickly! It is interesting to see

Re: [Zen] Realization(to Mayka/ED/list)

2011-03-07 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I am almost certain that training I have gotten in how to communicate well does include some sort of assess your audience step. I sure respond to people more skillfully when I know them better, including my mental model of their intentions. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone

Re: [Zen] For Chris~~Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
My only contact with Cheryl Huber has been to read about half of a book she wrote, called something like 'There is nothing wrong with you.' it was not especially my style, and it is still sitting on my 'being read' shelf of books. I have not heard of a Mountain View Zen Center, but I will look

Re: [Zen] Realization(to Mayka/ED/list)

2011-03-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Ok. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:08, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: The core truth is I think I have much to say on the interesting points you raised, but I just don't have the energy to do so. It others have thought on those topics,

Re: [Zen] For Chris~~Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
As this is my named thread, and as ED is asking to be opted out of personal questions, let me answer this interesting query. Seems like it depends. Apologizing is hard for me when I am attached to something about what I did, my thoughts on how it was justified, etc. When my ego is involved in

Re: [Zen] For Chris~~Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
which they may chooe to answer or not. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: As this is my named thread, and as ED is asking to be opted out of personal questions, ...

Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:55, SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com wrote: I will certainly allow the quite appropriate anger to energize my appropriate response to protect the child. I can't find the quote but I read somewhere a thing like: Greed

Re: [Zen] For Chris~~Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-10 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:04, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: namely, that I had done no wrong and therefore an apology is not required and would technically be a lie. I am not sure that an apology has to do with right vs. wrong, rather than

Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-11 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Me too! ;) Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 11, 2011, at 4:13, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: Wow, ED for once we agree on something. ! --- On Fri, 11/3/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen]

Re: [Zen] Two Potent Quotes

2011-03-11 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 10, 2011, at 20:50, yonyon...@gmail.com wrote: Where is the anger directed? Anger is not directed. It is just anger. Angry thoughts may well think the anger is directed. Current Book

Re: [Zen] A bit busy

2011-03-11 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Wow 8.9, take care. Damn, everything does flow Let us know if there is any assistance international e-acquaintances can provide. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 11, 2011, at 2:02, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi folks, There are a few posts

Re: [Zen] Learning to See Consciously

2011-03-13 Thread ChrisAustinLane
The zen I am learning is not about a blissed out state. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:07, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Do spiritual practices alleviate the deleterious effects of unavoidable negative ambiance. I think anyone who has read the

Re: [Zen] Re: Add Nothing Extra

2011-03-22 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Personal revelations on the Internet, that's rare. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 22, 2011, at 9:17, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes! Or bits of personal insight. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane chris@... wrote: Wouldn't

Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen

2011-03-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Wow, I though that was a typo. Surely I do not understand. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:58, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Mike. In words, concept, logic, they are quite close. In the formless, which can not be

Re: [Zen] Clues to the meaning of Zen

2011-03-25 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I mean batting. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 25, 2011, at 12:25, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: And some excellent cricket matches. Did any one catch India bowling yesterday? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 25, 2011

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