Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-15 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Welcome to the zen forum DP;   What is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?.  What's that about?. I could try to explain it myself, but these do it better... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive_compulsive_disorder My

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-15 Thread DP
tricks. Is that a little too cynical? Am I asking too many questions? :) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@... wrote: Hi DP, We have people suffer from the same. Do you know how to do belly breathing? If yes, please do belly breathing

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-15 Thread DP
experience with that disorder.  But I understand.  Thank you for the link.  Mayka --- On Sun, 15/8/10, DP dave.dplat...@... wrote: From: DP dave.dplat...@... Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 15 August, 2010, 14:46 Â

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-16 Thread DP
. That's what I meant by liberal. From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DP Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:36 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Namaste- first message HI, I am new here, and I would like to give

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-16 Thread DP
...@... wrote: Dave, My comments are embedded in your post below: From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DP Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 9:36 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message I have been doing

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-16 Thread DP
: Dear DP:   Don't take too seriously anything you read in forums and internet in general.  Your questions are difficult questions to be answered by the ones who have not in them the OCD experience.  Only yourself can answer all those questions but if you can't find any answer in you yet

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-17 Thread DP
: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DP Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:50 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com , BillSmart@ wrote

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-17 Thread DP
in that regard. I'm not looking for any goal, I know that's not the point of Zen. But I don't think it can hurt. DP For what it's worth.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DP Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:53 PM To: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-17 Thread DP
That is, of course, very difficult to do with OCD. :( DP --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: POINTS OF VIEW As a favor to a prince, Nasruddin was acting as magistrate for a time. In his first case he agreed with the plaintiff, and also with the defendant. When

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-17 Thread DP
That is, of course, very difficult to do with OCD. :( DP --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: POINTS OF VIEW As a favor to a prince, Nasruddin was acting as magistrate for a time. In his first case he agreed with the plaintiff, and also with the defendant. When

Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message

2010-08-18 Thread DP
. ultimately have no meaning, and are therefore worthless. The berries don't taste sweet, they taste like ash at that point. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: DP:   Knowing and feeling in one the perspective of death is not as bad thing as you think.  If you

[Zen] I did like the story.

2010-08-19 Thread DP
IT does put things into perspective. I'm liking this place more than the other forum I was on. :) What frsutrated me about it was that some people felt that what they were quoting was so profound that they didn't need to even respond to me. Stuff like fear of death is fear of life didn't

[Zen] Having trouble getting back into zazen

2010-08-24 Thread DP
I've tried to do the half-hour sitting in a chair, but I find myself getting bored after 10 minutes. Will this pass? Will I be able to do longer in the future if I keep it up? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are

Re: [Zen] Having trouble getting back into zazen

2010-08-24 Thread DP
minutes at home, but most zen centers sit at least 30 minute or even 40 minute periods. Hope this helps.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DP Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:52 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen

[Zen] Death

2010-08-29 Thread DP
ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps me deal with my fear of death? I just finished Thich Nhat Hanh's No Death No Fear, and I liked it, but I feel such a hard time getting around the idea of continuance - it's too much for my materialist mind. So maybe I need a different tack...

Re: [Zen] Death

2010-08-29 Thread DP
@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote: *bows* to you DP...     I've often read and heard that the reality of death is an important part of zen practice and training. Personally, I have never devoted any time to it. I will explain why.  WhenI I was 25, I had a life-altering

Re: [Zen] Death

2010-08-29 Thread DP
P things_r...@... wrote: Hi DP   I've read your posts and the replies you've gotten with interest. I don't have much information, zen wise, to offer with regards death and the fear of it, although I do *get* where you're coming from. Some of the others will hopefully post

[Zen] Re: Death

2010-08-30 Thread DP
is about Zazen, and feeling a certain intention and gratitude toward working with your obsession, for it can help you in the end. No pun intended . . . K among the deathers --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP dave.dplatt72@ wrote: ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps

[Zen] Does anybody here write Haiku?

2010-08-31 Thread DP
I have been writing them for a few months. I've been writing since I was a kid, but I find Haiku so relaxing and illuminating, because I love finding the right word. I've been doing traditional Haiku, that is keeping them about subjects like nature and actions, rather than just using the form.

Re: [Zen] Does anybody here write Haiku?

2010-08-31 Thread DP
Well, do you write any more? :) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Dave, First, five syllables, Second, seven syllables, Last line, five again. .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DP Sent

Re: [Zen] Does anybody here write Haiku?

2010-09-01 Thread DP
day to be a duck. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: DP, Occasionally, I put fingers to keyboard, And create Haiku. And you? Do you write? If so, would you share some poems? We would all like that. .Bill! From: Zen_Forum

[Zen] Re: Death

2010-09-06 Thread DP
contain it.                                   DR. ORIENT ROHMER --- On Mon, 9/6/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote: From: DP wookielife...@... Subject: [Zen] Re: Death To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 7:18 AM Â

[Zen] Can I practise Zen and still believe in God?

2010-09-15 Thread DP
I have reconciled Zen and my Christian practise, if not beliefs - there seems to be little contrary to Zen in practising compassion towards others and showing mercy, which to me are the core of Jesus's teachings. Believing in God might be another thing, however. From what I understand, Buddhism

[Zen] Dharma talks

2010-09-16 Thread DP
Somebody posted a link with some interesting Buddhist (non-denominational) stuff, including some Dharma talks. Does anybody remember what it was? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo!

Re: [Zen] Dharma talks

2010-09-16 Thread DP
it was a general resources site for BUddhism that included Dharma talks. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@... wrote: DP, Not sure whether below is what you are looking for Good morning to All, What is Chan, Zen, zen, Chan Buddhism, etc

[Zen] I did zazen again for the first time in a long while...

2010-09-29 Thread DP
I did ten minutes (half hour was too much). Nothing happened. Good. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

[Zen] Re: I did zazen again for the first time in a long while...

2010-09-29 Thread DP
And who's to say a snake wouldn't want some nice legs? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: The last three statements are like adding legs to a snake. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP wookielifeday@ wrote: I did ten minutes (half hour was too much

[Zen] How to walk away from arguments

2010-09-29 Thread DP
i have this frustrating tendency to get into arguments with random people on the internet. I personally try to keep in civil, but I get discouraged by all the insults and obnoxiousness. Many of the arguments are about religion. I encounter a lot of so-called internet atheists who seem to

Re: [Zen] How to walk away from arguments

2010-09-29 Thread DP
trying to goad you into more and more extreme positions until you break Godwin's rule. http://xkcd.com/386/ On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:20 AM, DP wookielife...@... wrote: So why do I feel the need to argue with these people? Why does my ego make it so I feel the need to confront everything

Re: [Zen] I did zazen again for the first time in a long while...

2010-09-29 Thread DP
I count breaths. I keep my eyes open, but its now very dark when I get up in the morning. :) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: DP, A 10 minute session is good. Try to make this a daily session. It shouldn't be too hard to carve out 10 minutes each day for zazen

Re: [Zen] How to walk away from arguments

2010-09-30 Thread DP
to think in the name of freedom (and subsequently describing stuff that I love in ways that I simply don't recognize, i.e. religion is just about controlling people) really hurts my feelings. Is that odd? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: DP, I think you are drawn

[Zen] More about arguments and ego

2010-09-30 Thread DP
I've thought some more about my problrm with getting into arguments on the internet. I think that the internet has fueled a certain type of ugliness in arguments, with its tendency towards short comments that snipe at miniscule errors in one's posts. I want to walk away, and yet I hate the idea

Re: [Zen] More about arguments and ego

2010-09-30 Thread DP
with a softened heart.  We all have the right to have our on viewpoint, so long as it does not hurt self or others. Or maybe get a new hobby:)   Kristy      --- On Thu, 9/30/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote: From: DP wookielife...@... Subject: [Zen] More about arguments and ego To: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] More about arguments and ego

2010-10-01 Thread DP
think that it's our emphasis on materialism (in all senses of the word) that causes a lot of the world's problems. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: Hi DP, Could you elaborate on this a bit more: As well, I am frustrated that the section of the political forum

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-01 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, Thanks for the reply. It's probably difficult, if not impossible, to keep religion out of politics in the sense that politicians have personal beliefs that may impact on their personal decision making. However, we

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-01 Thread DP
on that forum would havbe the right to be irritated. --- On Fri, 10/1/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote: From: DP wookielife...@... Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 10:37 AM Â

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-01 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, Not sure how you could be personally offended by a criticism of theology. Actually, I think all this being 'offended' by religious folk is a bit rich coming from people who don't blink an eye to tell gays they're

Re: [Zen] More about arguments and ego

2010-10-01 Thread DP
@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: DP, My comments are embedded below: I've thought some more about my problrm with getting into arguments on the internet. I think that the internet has fueled a certain type of ugliness in arguments, with its tendency towards short comments that snipe

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-01 Thread DP
And again, it has never been my experience that my church has discouraged independent thought. If your are talking from your own experience, fine. ?but it spunds an awful lot like the same arguments I've heard from other Internet Athiests. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP wookielife

Re: [Zen] More about arguments and ego

2010-10-02 Thread DP
by rightwingers as believing in liberation theology, but I think if he actually was, it would be a good thing. I hope that clears it up. :) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: DP, You can post here on whatever subject you want - within reason. This is a zen forum so

[Zen] Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-02 Thread DP
Part of my fear of death is not so much of death but of senility or loss of memory. In western terms, that's what I think of as mind. But I have to admit, I dont know if I fully understand the Buddhist concept of mind. Can anybody help with this? Current

[Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-02 Thread DP
My concern then is the idea of losing the mind, either through senility or dementia or mental illness. If we are stripped of our cognitive abilities, then where is the mind, and how can we still practise? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, cid830 summitj...@... wrote: DP, I think

[Zen] Re: Unclear on what is mind

2010-10-02 Thread DP
But don't we all lose our minds in the end? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: If you lose your mind, you cannot practice, unless a Joshu comes to strike you with a big stick or you reincarnate as a wild fox.   Anthony --- On Sun, 3/10/10, DP wookielife

[Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-02 Thread DP
, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@... wrote: Hi DP, Science will tell you, there are more neuron firing to the brain from the stomach then the other way around. Similarly there are more neuron from the sub conscience, from the heart, from other organs, from the entire body

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, I'm interested to find out more about your church's philosophy as the Christian religion has a history of punishing/forbiding beliefs and behaviour outside of scripture and dogma. I don't think it's aÂ

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: Kristy, You wrote:  If you have faith, there is a whole sphere they are ignorant about.  However, this isn't really the whole story. Many atheists were once believers who have seen thru 'faith' and have rejected it

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
. But my main problem is that (and I realize this is getting off topic) the forum had specifically created this section for religious discussions, and the majority of the discussions are about how bad religion is. --- On Sun, 10/3/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote: From: DP wookielife

[Zen] Re: Mind

2010-10-03 Thread DP
Thank you Yes, it was The Wise Heart. I am quite enjoying it. However, I like reading Buddhist stuff in spurts, switching to other stuff every once in awhile. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote: *bows* DP,   I'm not sure which JK book you are reading

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
buddhism and certainly zen are anti-intellectual. In zen, we aim to get rid of our head. The idea is to get out of your own way.. Kristy --- On Sun, 10/3/10, DP wookielife...@... wrote: From: DP wookielife...@... Subject: [Zen] Bible, God, etc. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-03 Thread DP
I guess you're right. However, I still feel that the same people who caricature the Abrahamic religions have no problem doing the same with Buddhism. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: DP and Mike, I don’t want to intrude in your discussion. You’re doing so well

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
I'm sorry, but what is TNH? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Hi Mike and Everyone!   If everytime one has a dissapointment in any established religious institution whether that dissapointment was in Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Zen Buddhist,

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
to be against religion in any form. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP,   I like the way you wrote that the Moderator who didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God was the former Moderator.  : )   Mike Current

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP,   You wrote: And... you just lost the thread. Godwin's Law applies equally to neo-Nazis as to Hitler. It would be more like rejecting anything German (or, say, rejecting socialism because of the name National

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
or progressive spirituality was being forced out by the view that all religion is poison. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: DP, What concern is that of yours? (Double standards are intrinsic to the non-Buddha nature of all humans.) Are you demanding

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
But it's a scattershot technique being employed against all religion. Religious people can point out that they support the theory of evolution and that they condemn the cover-up by the Catholic Church and they still get all religions are equally corrupt and wrong. It would be like saying all

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
and not acknowledged as ill-informed? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP,   Whoa! Steady on there, Tiger. You may have missed I put a smiley face (something I'm usually loathe to do) at the end of the sentence to indicate nothing snidey was intended

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
person to see a comparison being made. You are using your own personal definition of religion to attack. This is not my experience of religion, and it never will be. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP,   I wrote: Moreover, I am ignorant of what it is to be a neo

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you, huh. Let me spell it out for you one more time. To paraphrase Kristy -  she said that atheists are ignorant of faith and so don't understand the religious perspective

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
the Popes visit there spring to mind. Here is the head of a religious organisation that systematically brushed under the carpet instances of child rape in order to preserve its good name. Shame. And what does he say in his address? (are you listening DP?) He compares unbelief in faith to the rise

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
, of course, having been involved in the scandal involving residential schools for Canadian natives, but they have apologized and tried to make amends for it. the church is in general committed to social justice. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, maria818448 flordel...@... wrote: DP: Which

Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
subscribes to the beliefs of a Christian sect that uses Christianity in a poisonous way. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, DP wookielifeday@ wrote: No, I'm not demanding anything. I just find it troubling that when one place in the forum I was addressing was relegated

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-04 Thread DP
me into this discussion, as it is now I who has lost the thread.  I was merely trying to point out to DP that debating on-line with people who attack him or hurt his feelings seems pointless to me, and making a different choice to disengage and move on might be more productive.  I see now

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-05 Thread DP
Not quite. It was not the last presidential debate, it was a debate among those competing for the Republican candidacy. And no, nothing did not happen; they were widely ridiculed in the media, and none of them won the candidacy in the end. So no, they most certainly did not get a free pass. (In

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-05 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, That post was addressed to Mayka so I don't know why you felt you were called upon on to defend the pope. Perhaps because you wrote (are you listening DP?) So yes, you did address me. Mike ps, you don't

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, I'll limit myself to answering some of the more pertinent points. You say it would be frightening if someone with these fundemental beliefs was ever nominated. But they have been (ie, Reagan, as already mentioned

[Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

2010-10-06 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP, Never said I thought it was offensive, so you can't plead innocent when there was no charge in the first place. I understand your point/frustration if you were trying to discuss a specific situation or particular

Re: [Zen] the ongoing argument

2010-10-06 Thread DP
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: DP,   so I refuse to include your (pardon my language) asinine,   You'll never get to heaven using that kind of language, sir. Repent. I have nothing to repent for. Your comment was indeed asinine. As I've said every

[Zen] Re: Note

2010-10-06 Thread DP
Mayka, i apologize for my part in introducing the subject. I did not intend this to go this far. In fact, I regret that I'm contributing to the same thing I was upset about on other forums. Originally I wanted to ask how to deal with my need to resolve these arguments, which are ultimately

Re: [Zen] Note

2010-10-06 Thread DP
is much more reasonable, intelligent and moderate than that (my apologys to DP for the assumption). To take the matter back to things Zen. I don't put Zen in the same category as religion, in the sense of the monotheitic traditions, because Zen doesn't rely on words or scripture