Re: [Zen] Re: beginning again

2007-11-13 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Bill speaks from his heart and experience. I am yet from another school with over 50,000 thousand practitioners. I would recommend the same as Bill. JM Bill Smart wrote: I practice by myself also, but that is by circumstance and certainly not by choice. PRACTICING alone is

Re: [Zen] Caveat Emptor

2007-12-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well put, Bill. Every phenomenon in this universe, whether with form or without, are neither right nor wrong, all are driven by the same life force and wisdom. Just sync to it. Bill Smart wrote: I recently made some postings that caused some participants unpleasantness. Sometimes that's

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
What does "seriously" or "nasty" mean?  How about "more seriously" or "less seriously" or "nastier". Adjectives as such are but relative terms in a human language, which are but forms of our conscious mind. None of these words means anything when we sit down and shut up. Even sit down

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
I was taught to place our heart at the level of Bodhisattva before we even begin. Meaning we begin by accepting all phenomenon of this universe as one.  Therefore, if we don't use "I" or "You", and use just "we", then we could reduce our differentiation. This way, we need less

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-26 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Koan is for the practitioners to wake to the fact that we are enslaved by our mind.  Such that we could open our Inner Self and be in touch the "real form" of the universe, which is the invisible life force and wisdom of the universe in a complete separate domain from the domain of the

Re: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-09 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Bill, you are right.  Yet Hanh is not wrong. Ten thousand dharma for ten thousand hearts. Each is a beauty in itself. Ferrying sentient beings from a formed domain into a formless domain is always a challenge. We can only seed the cause  sigh Bill Smart wrote:

Re: [Zen] Re: Life Force creates Forms

2008-01-27 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Pandabananasock, Yes, our school has very clear, strict, formed way to initiate anyone onto this path of Chan.  It takes about three years to finish the first stage of Chi cultivation, then after that, the practice becomes a formless one by applying what we cultivated in the previous

[Zen] Teaching

2008-01-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Mayka, Each of us are who we are, because of cause and effect. Similarly, due to cause and effect, each Buddhist linage is what it is. Even though most of the schools today originated from the Six Patriarch, after thousand of years of hearing only what I understood., the teachings do

[Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
As always, each time, when we expressed an opinion, we could take usually just one position. This DL issue is much more complicated and no different than most of the world events. How can we express all the opinions from all different angles with language? I don't know the answer. Here

Re: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Jody, Don't thank me.  I am not taking sides.  :-) None of us knows the whole truth.  We all are just guessing.  Perhaps that's the fun of it, ignorance. JM Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote: Hello Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Thank you. JODY "WE MUST BE THE CHANGE WE WISH T

Re: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
of Buddhism, you’re not answering my question.  My questions is about zen, not Buddhism.   Thanks again for your post…Bill!   From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [mailto:chan.[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com Subject: [Zen] Re

Re: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
tigers. And that includes me. ...Bill! From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: D.L. Hi Bill, How is Thailand? Snowing like GuangTong? You have raised two points. There a

[Zen] Pretense

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you Sensei. I really really like the way you put it. Indeed, when we live it, everything just happens. With your permission, I shall forward to two groups. JM Harvey So Daiho Hilbert wrote: With palms together, Good Morning Everyone, Our Zen is our life, not our rules or precepts

[Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Good morning to All, Our Teacher, Chan Master Wu Jue Miao Tian remind us repeatedly, Our practice begins with Bodhisatva. what does it mean? This statement can be understood in many ways. Position our heart at the Bodhisatva level to begin, so that we are already closer to be a Buddha.

Re: [Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Good morning to All, Our Teacher, Chan Master Wu Jue Miao Tian remind us repeatedly, Our practice begins with Bodhisatva. what does it mean? This statement can be understood in many ways. Position our heart at the Bodhisatva level to begin, so that we are already

Re: [Zen] Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings

2008-02-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Charlie, Thank you for your post. Anything from our hearts are precious. Yes, retarded kids are no different than anyone else. At least it is so in our school. We are all retarded somehow to some degree. We all experienced periods of being controlled by impulses, physical handicaps,

Re: [Zen] Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings

2008-02-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Jackson, My Teacher started his teaching in Taiwan. He does not speak English. All his work were done in Taiwan. I am sorry, if I was not clear. I too am retarded somehow, sometime, somewhere. How awaken are we? When we walk out the door, can we see every tree? When we are in a

Re: [Zen] Pretense

2008-02-21 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Mark, All my training is in Chinese Chan and in the Chinese language. I am sorry, I am not familiar with these English terms in Zen, which is of Japanese origin. Though Zen is originally from Chan, after 1,000 years in Japan and 100 years in the USA, Zen in English seems to be more

Re: [Zen] Re: Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings

2008-02-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Karma is taught in our school as an unregulated Chi, or disturbed Chi, or Chi blockage. There are karma of present generation and of previous lives (energy never die). All discomfort, not resulted from injury, are cause by karmic blockage. This is the basis of acupuncture. Retardation is a

Re: Antwort: [Zen] Six Dimensions For Each Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
as well? I would enjoy looking at the Chinese text, too, when sitting at my office. Heshou, Kai Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] An com [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com Gesendet von: Kopie [EMAIL PROTECTED] oups.com Thema [Zen] Six Dimensions For Each Encounter 23.06.2008 19:32

Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?

2008-06-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
It sounded like, "Om, Ma, Ni, Pei, Mi, Hom."  A purification chant in Sanskrit. In our practice, if you focus on "Heart Chakra, root chakra, Sacrum chakra, kidney chakra, wisdom chakra, Zen chakra" as per each sound.  Loop them into an Chi channel.  Keep it at a steady pace and within

Re: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection?

2008-06-27 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Each of us are subjects of our karma caused by our previous lives. Good, bad, right and wrong are just labels resulted from the judgment of our limited ego. World of spirit is a domain much free, wide and powerful. In the world of forms, what we can do is to put our best foot forward within

[Zen] karma enlightenment

2008-07-04 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Below is what I have heard (like Ananda) and gradually witness. All terms, labels and concepts form a world in our brain describing what is happening in the world of lives, where everything is occurring as per order of nature or dharma. In the world of description, Bodhisatva is someone

Re: [Zen] New member introduction

2008-07-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
check out http://www.heartchan.org the largest at home Chan practitioners' group from Taiwan. Very Asian :-) Jeremy Taylor wrote: Hello, I just recently joined the group, and wanted to introduce myself to everyone. My name is Jeremy, and I live in a small town in upstate New York, not

Re: [Zen] Test of Character

2008-08-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al, If you get back into Zazen, you would realize that this group is your duty to keep and support. No matter what. sorry :-) Al wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I command you to chant 100 Bodhisattva Vows and do 500 bows. I am going to do that. What is a good

[Zen] Transmission

2008-08-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
exchanges have pretty limited utility in Zen, though there are some exceptions. Much better to toss the book and just look around at reality. Edgar On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Transmission is something to be e

Re: [Zen] Test of Character

2008-08-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Jody, You are right. The whole is the universal consciousness. All practices leads to sync us with the whole. While someone like Edgar, may analysis, theorize, understand, so called consciousness (just a label), or chanting or breathing (just a dharma), surrender all minds, big or small,

Re: [Zen] Test of Character

2008-08-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
intellectual understanding in itself is not realization, it is merely the finger, not the moon. Best, Edgar On Aug 30, 2008, at 3:32 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Edgar, Is there a need to understand what is pure and what is consciousness? Don't we already had everything within us

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Al, I don't know whether the "other guy" you were talking about is Donald Hwong.  I am Donald Hwong.  I switched my email to my Dharma Name, JMJM.  A dharma name is a name given by my teacher as a recognition for

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al,  I don't seem to understand your comment on what I wrote.  I don't find them relate to each other.  Can you explain?  Thanks, JM i.e. exercise? feel better? evil? happy?  Do use any strong words you prefer.   It is okay.. Fitness63 wrote: 覺妙精明 Without the correct

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
position yourself. Perhaps it is time to take a risk? :-) JM Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Al, I don't seem to understand your comment on what I wrote. I don't find them relate to each other. Can you explain? Thanks, JM i.e. exercise? feel better? evil? happy? Do use any strong

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al,  I would not say that HPZ is NOT Chan, but a subset of Chan.  Besides, we use the term Content instead of Happy in Chan It is not my position nor mission to academically compare Zen and Chan. This road serves no purpose. I will however explain what Chan is if the readers are

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Aha, then we are on the same page. I have some sessions to enter today. When I have time, I will try to paint a clearer picture. Thanks, JM. Fitness63 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - I suspect that Zen is just a mental balancing excercise without spirituality. I agree that the New Age

[Zen] Chan in a glimpse

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
There are too many scriptures, masters, terms, speeches already. Therefore, there are too many interpretations, definitions already in our mind. Therefore I shall try to use as few known terms as possible. Just read between the lines with a general understanding will be enough. Chan is a very

Re: [Zen] Chan in a glimpse

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
is form, all the particular details we observe as things and energies are all forms rippling in the undivided sea of Tao. So there is at root only Tao and the forms it continually takes on which then dissolve. Edgar On Sep 5, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Al is always Al. Fun! I am however, hats off to you for your refusal to moderate. I am on your side. No matter how we teach, the wake up got to come from the inside. The door to Buddha is always open. It is the door to our hearts that are frequently blocked. MU in Chinese really is a

[Zen] Chan in the macro sense

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, Based on the foundation that I have posted earlier that Chi, or life force, or God, or consciousness, or OE, is the supporting power to all. Everything else is the result of many different causes and causes of causes. What does it mean in the macro sense? How do we apply that

Re: [Zen] Chan? Energy

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chris, Excellent. Yes, energy occurs only when we were most clam and relax and least expected. That energy is yours and not from outside? Not an illusion? If so, then please tell me how many chakra that listed here you can sense any kind of vibration or heat?

Re: [Zen] Chan? Energy

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chris, I also like to add. It is this energy, or chi, that you cultivate and not an emotion of sadness or joy.  It is important that you are aware of the difference.  JM Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Chris, Excellent. Yes, energy occurs only when we were most clam and relax

[Zen] Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, There is a reason that Edgar post what he did. There is a reason for Al to post what he did. There is also reasons for Bill and me and Mike and Chris to post what we did. The Chan of these discussion is not to differentiate who is right or who is wrong. What to agree or what not

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, No need to say anything.  None of these discussion is important to our Inner Self.  No need to insist on anything or reject anything.  That are the working of our mind.  In parallel, our Inner Divine lives on by itself.  It has its own path and force and direction. It is our

[Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, Often we said to our selves, I hate myself. What's the origin of that? Often when we go shopping, our decisions are more promptu then logical. What's the cause of that? In our mind is a flawless software program, where does all the inspirations coming from? Communication experts

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well Al, It is not important how Zen is the same or not to Chan, because these are mental comparisons in the realm of forms, form of words, though in Chinese and Japanese writing they are identical, because after all Zen is from Chan. Whatever the incident, whether watching a tree or eating

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Excellent question Bill, Watching a tree is watching its form. Eating an apple is eating its form. Did not Heart Sutra asks us to quiet all Skandha, all sensories. The Chi of us can be connected to Chi of others only if we don't use our mind, eyes, mouth, nose, etc. True form to true form.

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill,  Still thinking.  Superstition is a label, just like maya is a label.  Chan is one.  One is everything.  All phenomenon is always there. Any labeling is the act of human mind. Don't pick or choose.(Xin Xin Ming)  No need to have an opinion. I am not arguing with you.  Just

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Great.  I think we finally understand each other.  Yes, beyond "just this" into impermanent form of things, we need to focus deeper into the essence of things - chi - which connects everything together.  Do give it a try.  JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, I'm not arguing with you. I

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, Your post was what I expected. If you had mentioned in the first place that spirituality to you has no meaning, then I don't have to write that many posts. :-) JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, I am not the one who first brought up the subject of spirituality and used that term in

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-09 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
On the contrary, Al. What I meant was, if Bill admitted at the beginning that Zen is just a mental balancing exercise, then my point is made. Since his did not agree with my observation, yet his Inner Self did, he had convinced himself that there could be spirituality. Spirituality in my

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-09 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hello Big Fish, It is always a pleasure to read your post. Always so serious and straight from the heart. Especially this post. Because... Before I reply, please excuse me first. Because I trapped you with this small statement to illustrate a point. hahaha... Roshi(老師) - is indeed a

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, This is almost midnight here in LA. Again, you wrote as always, sincerely. Let me try to explain in simpler terms. There is only one True/Final/Real Form - Universal Life Force - can be labeled as God or Buddha or Ala. ULF has two parts intertwined. The Chi/Ki/energy which is the

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chris, We are all equal under the sun. We are all supported by the same universal life force. Big or small, teacher or students are labels invented for us to survive in the impermanent formed world. In the real world of universal life force, we are just bunch of invisible, nameless energy

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Dear Bill, I have tried to use the simplest term to explain the foundation of Life Force, which composes of Chi and it carries Universal Wisdom. Since your post is for others and not for yourself, then I shall stop here, because the way you have assumed the argument for others are getting

[Zen] Chi

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
There are two types of Chi, internal and external. Qi-Gong, pronounce Cheee-Gong is a practice which the teacher gives students the Chi, which is external or additional Chi or Yang Chi (means strong and masculine). While Sitting Chan, in japan it is called Za (sit) Zen (Chan), cultivates

[Zen] Chan Academia

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
to such when discussing earlier texts). Zen is all about the here now, there is zero supernatural element to Zen. Zen does accept that right action facilitates enlightenment in this lifetime though. Edgar On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Al, I don't know whether

Re: [Zen] Chan Academia

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Got it. Thanks... Edgar Owen wrote: Hi JM, For my views on consciousness and OE please read my paper http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf Best, Edgar On Sep 10, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Edgar, Thank you

Re: [Zen] Chan Academia II

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
attention, JM Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Got it. Thanks... Edgar Owen wrote: Hi JM, For my views on consciousness and OE please read my paper http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-13 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, Can you share with me what have you experienced/witnessed with Only THIS or Just Sit. Thanks, JM Bill Smart wrote: Al, Everthing you know and feel is based on belief and faith. Even science is based on the belief in cause and effect and faith in our rational capabilities. The

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, Thank you for your "thoughtful" reply.  My question is not on this Buddha Nature level, but  more on a everyday term.  For instance, any witness to your health?  Younger looking?  Any awareness to your ego?   Any relationship improvements?  Spiritual well being such as happier,

Re: [Zen] Christian Question

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Dear Jackson, The following are my perspective for your reference. The way to happiness is whether we are happy with ourselves.  Meaning, the environment may be harsh, unfair, disruptive, but we could be at ease with what we have done. As long as we are at peace with what we have

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Got it.  Thanks, JM PS.  Often I don't get all postings either.  Frequently they arrived too late.  Oh well, that's technology... Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, For some reason when I try to REPLY to your postings using the website the text isn't copied into the REPLY space. I think

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Al, On the average, there are about 15-20% of the English posted here are beyond me. I can read every word, but I miss the mark. Like this one for instance, what part is the younger? It would be nice if you could pointed out and then I can try to be younger. Wouldn't you? :-) Fitness63

[Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Al, How about this one from our San Francisco practitioner, Guy French? Original Message Subject:[HeartChan] Re: [Fwd: Stillness In Motion Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Fuu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Heart Chan

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Yes, Chinese Chan are even much more diverse and different in practice and teaching. For instance, our at-home practice school, are not recognized by those with a temple, shaving heads and robe wearing. :-) Edgar Owen wrote: Chris, Yes, you are referring to the 'sudden' versus the

[Zen] satori

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi guys, What is satori? Is it sudden or gradual? Is it permanent or on and off? If you have any Buddhist term to refer to, it would help. Much obliged, JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about

Re: [Zen] satori

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you for all of your input about satori. I used google translator and I found the Japanese equivalent, 悟り If that is the correct Kanji, then it means literally Awakening. Awakening is defined by our school a realization/experience that we are enslaved by our mind. Just a mental

[Zen] What's after Satori

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Guys, What does your teaching say, if any, what to do after Satori? Of course, all teaching by itself is maya. But the teacher may have said something Thanks, JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading!

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi, What I meant was, Edgar mentioned enlightenment comes after Satori. Is there anything else we could to do to realize that? How about to be Buddha? Do you talk about any of these? Do you talk about merit? Or just slap on your face? Thanks, Donald ? Bill Smart wrote: After satori

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you guys for trying. Two more questions: 1. Is satori enlightenment? 2. If you agree that Satori is an irreversible transition. Then it could be what we called, witness the Original Self. I don't know whether zen has similar term? Thanks, JM Bill Smart wrote: Edgar, You are

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
If that is the case in Ox Herding, (I don't know what that is, please provide link), then it coincide with our school's teaching. After Satori, then one liberates every sentient being. In other words, enter the mud and grow the lotus. Or cultivate the merit, on the way to Buddhahood. Or

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori you can do without being bored

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well put, SimiNotes, since words do not count, neither are the following.. I love it... Our school teaches everyone to cultivate the chi and the chakras. In Chinese, there is no word for mind. We have either heart or brain. So, it is easy for us to say, let go of the brain and let the

[Zen] A free seminar in Irvine, CA

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi, we have a FREE seminar in Irvine, CA by a Dr. PC Lo. See attached. If you have anyone who may be interested, please forward this email. Thank you, JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you, Bill.  JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, There are many links which show these pictures. You can google 'zen oxherding' or go to http://www.shambhala.org/dharma/ctr/oxherding/. ...Bill! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL

[Zen] Oxherding

2008-09-21 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, This is the first time I read about the oxherding. Thank you. It is dated Summer of ShoWa. Quite recent. I love the way it is put together. If I may comment on some of the terms, #8 Dharmakaya as a connection without conscious effort. Dharmakaya is omnipresent. It

Re: [Zen] Re: A free seminar in Irvine, CA

2008-09-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you Karin. How about pasted it below? Scientific Evidences on Meditation Effects and Benefits *A Spa For Your Body, Mind and Spirit* *By Dr. Pei-Chen Lo* Dr. Pei-Chen Lo currently teaches at National Chiao Tung University in Taiwan in the Department of Electrical and Control

Re: [Zen] Most Zen TV Series?

2008-09-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Planet Earth by BBC sold in CostCo. Very well done. Edgar Owen wrote: Sunrise Earth, it's just still cameras observing nature in different locations for a whole 1/2 hour. Edgar On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Charlie wrote: What television series encompassed the best example of

Re: [Zen] women zen

2008-09-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
In our school, after almost 30 years of teaching, it is 75 women to 25 men. And most of the men, at least those I know, joined Chan through their woman. :-) roloro1557 wrote: Hi Karin, Are you still here? There aren't many zen women, at least not in my experience. I have some ideas

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Our heart is the pureland and our body is our temple... Nothing else needed. cid830 wrote: Welcome Margie. My name is Chris and I am a backsliding practitioner. I have been practicing on and off for the past 20 years. It seems that I can maintain the discipline for a good practice only

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Oh, let me add and every sentient being and every suffering is our nourishment cid830 wrote: Welcome Margie. My name is Chris and I am a backsliding practitioner. I have been practicing on and off for the past 20 years. It seems that I can maintain the discipline for a good practice

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
The volume/degree of act out or flow through is called merit There is no merit by just sitting, no matter where.. Edgar Owen wrote: Hi Margie, Your words when the dancer becomes the dance or the poem writes itself. are spot on. To my mind there are two levels of Zen. The

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-01 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Mike, Aha, be ware of Asian woman. Did you notice the Japanese woman raised their tone by one octave when they talk? :-) mike brown wrote: Hi Al, Still here (Japan) as a matter of fact. It'll be 4 years this month. I came here for the zen, but will stay for the women. Mike. -

Re: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-01 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Oho, beware, beware. All Buddha Nature are equal. No one is more guru than other. All spoken words are incomplete and valid in relativity. Each journey is unique... Every moment is a lesson Al wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone has his/her own path. My belief is that letting go

Re: [Zen] Repression and Release

2008-10-01 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al, Wow. sweat blood and tear. _/\_ May I point out, no matter what we do to the world. The sun still rises every morning. Birds still fly and flower still bloom. Let go of our judgmental mind is the change. Even that needed to be done without expectation. Often it is the expectation

Re: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Right on, Brother Bill. Anything written down, spoken about are just forms to describe a direct connection to the universal life force and wisdom. As Edgar stated numerous times, nothing else matters... When we let go of our mind, we let go of our frame of reference. No more capable of

Re: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well, in our school, this transmission is the transmission of Buddha Heart. An energy form that is pure clearing up the remains of the blockage of the recipient. Edgar Owen wrote: No 'transmission' of Zen is possible. You can't transmit direct experience of reality from one person to

Re: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well Chris, I am not sure I understand your question. The way our Teacher teaches is nothing but meditation for 15 years. Then he correlates Buddhist sutras and Tao Te Ching to our experience. I was taught by one of his students. Also nothing but meditation for 5-6 years, then gradually

Re: [Zen] Zen and Accountability

2008-10-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well, these are important questions, Al. Chan does not have a big Bible or Superior Court. My personal experience is that everyone of us are rewarded accordingly. Meaning, we suffer because what we have done in this life or previous. We are peaceful and content also because what we have

Re: [Zen] Zen and Accountability

2008-10-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
are 'better' or 'worse' in Zen. There is no relativity. Things just are as they are. An eternal mystery continuously revealed. Edgar On Oct 3, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Well, these are important questions, Al. Chan does not have a big Bible or Superior Court. My

Re: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Chris, The Sixth Patriarch's school is called the school of instant enlightenment. It is for people like Edgar. The classmate of the Sixth Patriarch, Shen-Xiu found the school of gradual enlightenment in the north of China, where most of those like me belong. :-) cid830 wrote: Thank

[Zen] Talkshoe

2008-10-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Just learned about this web site... http://www.talkshoe.com Would be fun for this very active and diverse group. What do you think? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links

[Zen] Alaya - 8th consciousness beyond

2008-10-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, What do you know, read, taught, heard about the 8th Consciousness - Alaya and beyond into the Light Consciousness? Thanks, JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-28 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Yes Mayka, Karma is an cause energy. Like all energy it does not disappear. We could categorize it into internal and external, or individual and collective. But these are human terms. Karma is just cause energy. By cause I don't mean logical reasoning. I mean energy, or chi, or spirit

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
'. Does it mean hypnotics? Regards, Anthony --- On *Sat, 29/11/08, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 / [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 29 November

[Zen] Chan Is One

2008-11-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chan is One, or . The One which is the universe, which includes everything we see and not see, know and not know. There is this perpetual life force which manifests everything in the universe. Some has a form and some are formless. Yet all such manifestations are relative, transient and

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Sorry, Bill. It is so tempting with your response. Just one more comment If there is no YOU, who is feeling the challenge... :-) Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, QUIT LURING ME OUT OF LURKING! It's hard enough without such challenging posts as yours. My comments/respones are embedded in your

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-02 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, just this connotes some kind of insistence. as is connotes acceptance. In our world of forms and delusional minds, acceptance connotes results in less resistance. It is apparent by now that zen may have some Buddhist roots. Words are what we called convenient dharma or 方便法”. :-)

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-02 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
awakening and Japanese zen comes from that why does most Japanese Zen emphasize sudden, not gradual awakening? Edgar On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Bill and Mayka, I love the sincerity, honesty and warmth of your post. Instead of picking on Bill, which

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-02 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Sorry, Bill. This kind of wording is difficult for me to understand... JM Bill Smart wrote: Oh! Now I get it...NOT! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, just this connotes some

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you for the clarification. March On, Bill... Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, My last post was difficult for you to understand because it was an attempt at a joke, and evidently a pretty poor attempt at that. What it was meant to convey was that I agree with you that it is difficult to talk

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Jody, I am not sure there are one to one equivalent of your terms. I come to understand Christian terms as sort of outside in or top down, while Buddhist terms are inside out or bottom up. At best, my answers are just interpretation. Please read them between the lines. 1. Yes, faith is

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hello Mayka, Yes, stillness could mean mindful concentration or in this case purity or originality. I like your definition more than mine. Mine is a strip down version, kind of boring and dry. I believe TNH is more qualified to answer this than me. Thank you for the help. I also like

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