Re: [Zen] Re: beginning again

2007-11-13 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Bill speaks from his heart and experience. I am yet from another school with over 50,000 thousand practitioners. I would recommend the same as Bill. JM Bill Smart wrote: I practice by myself also, but that is by circumstance and certainly not by choice. PRACTICING alone is

Re: [Zen] Caveat Emptor

2007-12-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well put, Bill. Every phenomenon in this universe, whether with form or without, are neither right nor wrong, all are driven by the same life force and wisdom. Just sync to it. Bill Smart wrote: I recently made some postings that caused some participants unpleasantness. Sometimes that's

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
What does "seriously" or "nasty" mean?  How about "more seriously" or "less seriously" or "nastier". Adjectives as such are but relative terms in a human language, which are but forms of our conscious mind. None of these words means anything when we sit down and shut up. Even sit down

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
I was taught to place our heart at the level of Bodhisattva before we even begin. Meaning we begin by accepting all phenomenon of this universe as one.  Therefore, if we don't use "I" or "You", and use just "we", then we could reduce our differentiation. This way, we need less

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-26 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Koan is for the practitioners to wake to the fact that we are enslaved by our mind.  Such that we could open our Inner Self and be in touch the "real form" of the universe, which is the invisible life force and wisdom of the universe in a complete separate domain from the domain of the

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-31 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
prove Me wrong or Your critique or 30 years are just terminologies in the conscious domain relative to the effects resulted from various causes. These are all phenomenon manifested by the true form of Chan. All inclusive. All impermanent. All transient. For knowledge sake, please continue

Re: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-09 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Bill, you are right.  Yet Hanh is not wrong. Ten thousand dharma for ten thousand hearts. Each is a beauty in itself. Ferrying sentient beings from a formed domain into a formless domain is always a challenge. We can only seed the cause  sigh Bill Smart wrote:

Re: [Zen] Zen and the art of ... sleep paralysis?? Help!

2008-01-24 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Dear pandabananasock, This is a very rare subject to be discussed in an online forum, because each school teaches differently and teachings beyond everyday lives are either  not addressed or lost in the linage.  Often these discussions could be categorized as samsara or even witchcraft. 

[Zen] Sleep Paralysis and its karmic nature

2008-01-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, What I am about to share with you is a topic rarely discussed in the Japanese Zen linage. They are touched upon, hinted at, but seldom open and direct. Please read it with an open mind. The bottom line is, anyone who practices Chi based meditation could eventually witness what I

[Zen] Life Force creates Forms

2008-01-26 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
As Chan practitioners, we practice to detach ourselves from all forms, because all forms are transient, impermanent and empty by nature. When we see all forms as emptiness, then we see true form. The true form mentioned here in Diamond Sutra is the universal life force and wisdom. When we

Re: [Zen] Re: Life Force creates Forms

2008-01-27 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Pandabananasock, Yes, our school has very clear, strict, formed way to initiate anyone onto this path of Chan.  It takes about three years to finish the first stage of Chi cultivation, then after that, the practice becomes a formless one by applying what we cultivated in the previous

[Zen] Teaching

2008-01-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Mayka, Each of us are who we are, because of cause and effect. Similarly, due to cause and effect, each Buddhist linage is what it is. Even though most of the schools today originated from the Six Patriarch, after thousand of years of hearing only what I understood., the teachings do

[Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
As always, each time, when we expressed an opinion, we could take usually just one position. This DL issue is much more complicated and no different than most of the world events. How can we express all the opinions from all different angles with language? I don't know the answer. Here

Re: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Jody, Don't thank me.  I am not taking sides.  :-) None of us knows the whole truth.  We all are just guessing.  Perhaps that's the fun of it, ignorance. JM Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote: Hello Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Thank you. JODY "WE MUST BE THE CHANGE WE WISH T

Re: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
of Buddhism, you’re not answering my question.  My questions is about zen, not Buddhism.   Thanks again for your post…Bill!   From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [mailto:chan.[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com Subject: [Zen] Re

Re: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
tigers. And that includes me. ...Bill! From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: D.L. Hi Bill, How is Thailand? Snowing like GuangTong? You have raised two points. There a

Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-11 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Bravo,  Opinions are are relative to the moment.  They are valid only relative to other opinions.  JM craig omanion wrote: The Dalai Lama came to Atlanta recently and was well recieved   I wouldn't want to be a martyr either... could it be that he gets more done by not

[Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
What I have learned about Chan is to be synced with the life force and wisdom at all time and be detached from all forms. Or in our every day language, live with our best foot forward without expectation, agenda, objective, etc. Based on this perspective, though still partial once expressed

Re: [Zen] Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers

2008-02-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al, Many schools have lost its transmission. Most transmit with formalities only. Sitting Chan is now often just a mental balancing act. The spiritual power of Chan disappeared from too many schools and practices. True teachers are hard to find in this Dark Ages of Buddhism. An

[Zen] Pretense

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you Sensei. I really really like the way you put it. Indeed, when we live it, everything just happens. With your permission, I shall forward to two groups. JM Harvey So Daiho Hilbert wrote: With palms together, Good Morning Everyone, Our Zen is our life, not our rules or precepts

[Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Good morning to All, Our Teacher, Chan Master Wu Jue Miao Tian remind us repeatedly, Our practice begins with Bodhisatva. what does it mean? This statement can be understood in many ways. Position our heart at the Bodhisatva level to begin, so that we are already closer to be a Buddha.

Re: [Zen] Practice begins

2008-02-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Good morning to All, Our Teacher, Chan Master Wu Jue Miao Tian remind us repeatedly, Our practice begins with Bodhisatva. what does it mean? This statement can be understood in many ways. Position our heart at the Bodhisatva level to begin, so that we are already

Re: [Zen] Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings

2008-02-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Charlie, Thank you for your post. Anything from our hearts are precious. Yes, retarded kids are no different than anyone else. At least it is so in our school. We are all retarded somehow to some degree. We all experienced periods of being controlled by impulses, physical handicaps,

Re: [Zen] Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings

2008-02-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Jackson, My Teacher started his teaching in Taiwan. He does not speak English. All his work were done in Taiwan. I am sorry, if I was not clear. I too am retarded somehow, sometime, somewhere. How awaken are we? When we walk out the door, can we see every tree? When we are in a

Re: [Zen] Pretense

2008-02-21 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Mark, All my training is in Chinese Chan and in the Chinese language. I am sorry, I am not familiar with these English terms in Zen, which is of Japanese origin. Though Zen is originally from Chan, after 1,000 years in Japan and 100 years in the USA, Zen in English seems to be more

Re: [Zen] Re: Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings

2008-02-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Karma is taught in our school as an unregulated Chi, or disturbed Chi, or Chi blockage. There are karma of present generation and of previous lives (energy never die). All discomfort, not resulted from injury, are cause by karmic blockage. This is the basis of acupuncture. Retardation is a

Re: Antwort: [Zen] Six Dimensions For Each Encounter

2008-06-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
as well? I would enjoy looking at the Chinese text, too, when sitting at my office. Heshou, Kai Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] An com [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com Gesendet von: Kopie [EMAIL PROTECTED] oups.com Thema [Zen] Six Dimensions For Each Encounter 23.06.2008 19:32

Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?

2008-06-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
It sounded like, "Om, Ma, Ni, Pei, Mi, Hom."  A purification chant in Sanskrit. In our practice, if you focus on "Heart Chakra, root chakra, Sacrum chakra, kidney chakra, wisdom chakra, Zen chakra" as per each sound.  Loop them into an Chi channel.  Keep it at a steady pace and within

Re: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection?

2008-06-27 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Lama Jigme and Bill, Chan is about Oneness.  When we start to compare and judge, we become partial and not whole.  This becomes our suffering. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually agree with Lama Jigme. The Dali Lama seems to have forgotten the most fundamental

Re: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection?

2008-06-27 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Each of us are subjects of our karma caused by our previous lives. Good, bad, right and wrong are just labels resulted from the judgment of our limited ego. World of spirit is a domain much free, wide and powerful. In the world of forms, what we can do is to put our best foot forward within

[Zen] karma enlightenment

2008-07-04 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Below is what I have heard (like Ananda) and gradually witness. All terms, labels and concepts form a world in our brain describing what is happening in the world of lives, where everything is occurring as per order of nature or dharma. In the world of description, Bodhisatva is someone

[Zen] The journey without words

2008-07-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi, If you are interested to go by the sutra, the journey is composed of two parts: (most of the school teach only some of it) First part is to get one self cleaned up or cultivated, or Hinayana, or the first half of Buddha's teaching. 1. Rid of the three karmic influence, intent, words,

Re: [Zen] New member introduction

2008-07-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
check out http://www.heartchan.org the largest at home Chan practitioners' group from Taiwan. Very Asian :-) Jeremy Taylor wrote: Hello, I just recently joined the group, and wanted to introduce myself to everyone. My name is Jeremy, and I live in a small town in upstate New York, not

Re: [Zen] Test of Character

2008-08-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al, If you get back into Zazen, you would realize that this group is your duty to keep and support. No matter what. sorry :-) Al wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I command you to chant 100 Bodhisattva Vows and do 500 bows. I am going to do that. What is a good

[Zen] Transmission

2008-08-20 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
exchanges have pretty limited utility in Zen, though there are some exceptions. Much better to toss the book and just look around at reality. Edgar On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Transmission is something to be e

Re: [Zen] Test of Character

2008-08-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Jody, You are right. The whole is the universal consciousness. All practices leads to sync us with the whole. While someone like Edgar, may analysis, theorize, understand, so called consciousness (just a label), or chanting or breathing (just a dharma), surrender all minds, big or small,

Re: [Zen] Test of Character

2008-08-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
and different circumstances. By understanding what pure consciousness really is and what keeps us from directly experiencing it we can move beyond words to the direct experience itself. Edgar On Aug 29, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Jody, You are right. The whole

Re: [Zen] Test of Character

2008-08-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
intellectual understanding in itself is not realization, it is merely the finger, not the moon. Best, Edgar On Aug 30, 2008, at 3:32 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Edgar, Is there a need to understand what is pure and what is consciousness? Don't we already had everything within us

Re: [Zen] Sick of Flaming

2008-09-02 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chan is One, the big One. The One which supports everything visible and invisible on an equal basis without preference. The fact that each tree grows differently maybe obvious to our eyes, but the causes of their differences are difficult to see. Often, instead of pondering on the cause,

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
al Message - From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [Zen] Sick of Flaming Chan is One, the big One. The One which supports everything visible and invisible on an equal bas

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Al, I don't know whether the "other guy" you were talking about is Donald Hwong.  I am Donald Hwong.  I switched my email to my Dharma Name, JMJM.  A dharma name is a name given by my teacher as a recognition for

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al,  I don't seem to understand your comment on what I wrote.  I don't find them relate to each other.  Can you explain?  Thanks, JM i.e. exercise? feel better? evil? happy?  Do use any strong words you prefer.   It is okay.. Fitness63 wrote: 覺妙精明 Without the correct

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
position yourself. Perhaps it is time to take a risk? :-) JM Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Al, I don't seem to understand your comment on what I wrote. I don't find them relate to each other. Can you explain? Thanks, JM i.e. exercise? feel better? evil? happy? Do use any strong

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al,  I would not say that HPZ is NOT Chan, but a subset of Chan.  Besides, we use the term Content instead of Happy in Chan It is not my position nor mission to academically compare Zen and Chan. This road serves no purpose. I will however explain what Chan is if the readers are

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-03 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Aha, then we are on the same page. I have some sessions to enter today. When I have time, I will try to paint a clearer picture. Thanks, JM. Fitness63 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - I suspect that Zen is just a mental balancing excercise without spirituality. I agree that the New Age

[Zen] Chan in a glimpse

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
There are too many scriptures, masters, terms, speeches already. Therefore, there are too many interpretations, definitions already in our mind. Therefore I shall try to use as few known terms as possible. Just read between the lines with a general understanding will be enough. Chan is a very

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Dear Bill, I admire your commitment and passion. I have already stated that it is not my focus to discuss this subject. Since you are interested, let us continue. First of all, I always used the following words, I suspect, I could be limited in my scope, I am incomplete... that Zen is

Re: [Zen] Chan in a glimpse

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
is form, all the particular details we observe as things and energies are all forms rippling in the undivided sea of Tao. So there is at root only Tao and the forms it continually takes on which then dissolve. Edgar On Sep 5, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Al is always Al. Fun! I am however, hats off to you for your refusal to moderate. I am on your side. No matter how we teach, the wake up got to come from the inside. The door to Buddha is always open. It is the door to our hearts that are frequently blocked. MU in Chinese really is a

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well, Bill. If we say, THIS is Chi. The world is all maya except Chi. Can you accept? If I accept your term of THIS, which I always did. Just the way you described it is incomplete. Can you not accept my term of Chi? Chi gives life to your THIS. Chi is the original THIS. :-) Bill Smart

[Zen] Chan in the macro sense

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, Based on the foundation that I have posted earlier that Chi, or life force, or God, or consciousness, or OE, is the supporting power to all. Everything else is the result of many different causes and causes of causes. What does it mean in the macro sense? How do we apply that

Re: [Zen] Chan? Energy

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chris, Excellent. Yes, energy occurs only when we were most clam and relax and least expected. That energy is yours and not from outside? Not an illusion? If so, then please tell me how many chakra that listed here you can sense any kind of vibration or heat?

Re: [Zen] Chan? Energy

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chris, I also like to add. It is this energy, or chi, that you cultivate and not an emotion of sadness or joy.  It is important that you are aware of the difference.  JM Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Chris, Excellent. Yes, energy occurs only when we were most clam and relax

[Zen] Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-06 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, There is a reason that Edgar post what he did. There is a reason for Al to post what he did. There is also reasons for Bill and me and Mike and Chris to post what we did. The Chan of these discussion is not to differentiate who is right or who is wrong. What to agree or what not

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, No need to say anything.  None of these discussion is important to our Inner Self.  No need to insist on anything or reject anything.  That are the working of our mind.  In parallel, our Inner Divine lives on by itself.  It has its own path and force and direction. It is our

[Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi All, Often we said to our selves, I hate myself. What's the origin of that? Often when we go shopping, our decisions are more promptu then logical. What's the cause of that? In our mind is a flawless software program, where does all the inspirations coming from? Communication experts

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Al, The question is what is reality. According to Diamond Sutra, reality is Buddha, or Final Form. Then only after we surpass Form and Formlessness, then we see Buddha. Final form is the universal support of all forms, which is the life energy of everything. How can we be connected

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well Al, It is not important how Zen is the same or not to Chan, because these are mental comparisons in the realm of forms, form of words, though in Chinese and Japanese writing they are identical, because after all Zen is from Chan. Whatever the incident, whether watching a tree or eating

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Excellent question Bill, Watching a tree is watching its form. Eating an apple is eating its form. Did not Heart Sutra asks us to quiet all Skandha, all sensories. The Chi of us can be connected to Chi of others only if we don't use our mind, eyes, mouth, nose, etc. True form to true form.

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill,  Still thinking.  Superstition is a label, just like maya is a label.  Chan is one.  One is everything.  All phenomenon is always there. Any labeling is the act of human mind. Don't pick or choose.(Xin Xin Ming)  No need to have an opinion. I am not arguing with you.  Just

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Good questions Bill, Chi is pronounced Cheee. In Japnese it is pronounced Ki, like ReiKi. In new Chinese, it is spelled Qi, but pronounced the same. #2 is the detailed answer. Chi is the universal life force and therefore it is always one and connected. Yet, it could be blocked. If it

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Great.  I think we finally understand each other.  Yes, beyond "just this" into impermanent form of things, we need to focus deeper into the essence of things - chi - which connects everything together.  Do give it a try.  JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, I'm not arguing with you. I

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Bill, What is your definition of spiritualism spirituality in the common day context? Thanks, JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, Thanks for your clarifications. Much of your description of Chi below sounds like Buddha Nature as that term is used in English translations of Japanese Zen Buddhist

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-08 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, Your post was what I expected. If you had mentioned in the first place that spirituality to you has no meaning, then I don't have to write that many posts. :-) JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, I am not the one who first brought up the subject of spirituality and used that term in

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-09 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
On the contrary, Al. What I meant was, if Bill admitted at the beginning that Zen is just a mental balancing exercise, then my point is made. Since his did not agree with my observation, yet his Inner Self did, he had convinced himself that there could be spirituality. Spirituality in my

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-09 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hello Big Fish, It is always a pleasure to read your post. Always so serious and straight from the heart. Especially this post. Because... Before I reply, please excuse me first. Because I trapped you with this small statement to illustrate a point. hahaha... Roshi(老師) - is indeed a

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, This is almost midnight here in LA. Again, you wrote as always, sincerely. Let me try to explain in simpler terms. There is only one True/Final/Real Form - Universal Life Force - can be labeled as God or Buddha or Ala. ULF has two parts intertwined. The Chi/Ki/energy which is the

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Chris, We are all equal under the sun. We are all supported by the same universal life force. Big or small, teacher or students are labels invented for us to survive in the impermanent formed world. In the real world of universal life force, we are just bunch of invisible, nameless energy

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Bill, it is always a pleasure to communicate to you. JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, Thanks for your reply. The titles were confusing to me. This reply post of your is less confusing - only just slightly. Bill! (I've dropped the Big Fish title since it was superfluous and probably confusing.)

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Dear Bill, I have tried to use the simplest term to explain the foundation of Life Force, which composes of Chi and it carries Universal Wisdom. Since your post is for others and not for yourself, then I shall stop here, because the way you have assumed the argument for others are getting

[Zen] Chi

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
There are two types of Chi, internal and external. Qi-Gong, pronounce Cheee-Gong is a practice which the teacher gives students the Chi, which is external or additional Chi or Yang Chi (means strong and masculine). While Sitting Chan, in japan it is called Za (sit) Zen (Chan), cultivates

[Zen] Chan Academia

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
to such when discussing earlier texts). Zen is all about the here now, there is zero supernatural element to Zen. Zen does accept that right action facilitates enlightenment in this lifetime though. Edgar On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Al, I don't know whether

Re: [Zen] Chan Academia

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Got it. Thanks... Edgar Owen wrote: Hi JM, For my views on consciousness and OE please read my paper http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf Best, Edgar On Sep 10, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Hi Edgar, Thank you

Re: [Zen] Chan Academia II

2008-09-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
attention, JM Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Got it. Thanks... Edgar Owen wrote: Hi JM, For my views on consciousness and OE please read my paper http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http://EdgarLOwen.com/consciousness.pdf http

[Zen] 5 poisons in Everyday life

2008-09-12 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Good morning ALL, I don't know whether zen talk about the 5 poisons or CAAAS. Craving - or expecting in the least bit. Anger - even just a white eye. Attachment - not just to sex, alcohol, gambling, etc. but also to absolute ideas, words, definition, right or wrong. Arrogance - any notion that

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-13 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, Can you share with me what have you experienced/witnessed with Only THIS or Just Sit. Thanks, JM Bill Smart wrote: Al, Everthing you know and feel is based on belief and faith. Even science is based on the belief in cause and effect and faith in our rational capabilities. The

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-13 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Agreed. Words are product from the world of forms. Very very confusing. Because each one of us are limited to our own interpretations. What I have learned, is that Maya equates to Form. Buddha Nature equates to Just This. The more we tried to explain, the more information we provide, the

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, Thank you for your "thoughtful" reply.  My question is not on this Buddha Nature level, but  more on a everyday term.  For instance, any witness to your health?  Younger looking?  Any awareness to your ego?   Any relationship improvements?  Spiritual well being such as happier,

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, I have some time now to write.  Your reply below is quite similar to many stories I read about zen teachers in Japan.  Just for reader's reference, let me share with you about our school's teaching style.  The traditional "yell" by Rizai and the "beating" by Soto are no longer

Re: [Zen] Christian Question

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Dear Jackson, The following are my perspective for your reference. The way to happiness is whether we are happy with ourselves.  Meaning, the environment may be harsh, unfair, disruptive, but we could be at ease with what we have done. As long as we are at peace with what we have

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Got it.  Thanks, JM PS.  Often I don't get all postings either.  Frequently they arrived too late.  Oh well, that's technology... Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, For some reason when I try to REPLY to your postings using the website the text isn't copied into the REPLY space. I think

[Zen] No Opinion

2008-09-15 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
When we were young, we were taught to think independently. Have an opinion. Stake our position. Develop a character. As we learn and absorb more knowledge, our opinion becomes more flexible and varies depends on the situation. Slowly, we are more able to understand and accept the opinions

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Al, On the average, there are about 15-20% of the English posted here are beyond me. I can read every word, but I miss the mark. Like this one for instance, what part is the younger? It would be nice if you could pointed out and then I can try to be younger. Wouldn't you? :-) Fitness63

[Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Al, How about this one from our San Francisco practitioner, Guy French? Original Message Subject:[HeartChan] Re: [Fwd: Stillness In Motion Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Fuu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Heart Chan

Re: [Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
classification system for all forces. By classifying forces as yang and yin one misses the true nature of those forces. Edgar On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: Al, How about this one from our San Francisco practitioner, Guy French? Original Message

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Yes, Chinese Chan are even much more diverse and different in practice and teaching. For instance, our at-home practice school, are not recognized by those with a temple, shaving heads and robe wearing. :-) Edgar Owen wrote: Chris, Yes, you are referring to the 'sudden' versus the

[Zen] satori

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi guys, What is satori? Is it sudden or gradual? Is it permanent or on and off? If you have any Buddhist term to refer to, it would help. Much obliged, JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about

Re: [Zen] satori

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you for all of your input about satori. I used google translator and I found the Japanese equivalent, 悟り If that is the correct Kanji, then it means literally Awakening. Awakening is defined by our school a realization/experience that we are enslaved by our mind. Just a mental

[Zen] What's after Satori

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Guys, What does your teaching say, if any, what to do after Satori? Of course, all teaching by itself is maya. But the teacher may have said something Thanks, JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading!

Re: [Zen] satori

2008-09-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
The same character as Japanese, because Japanese is a subset of Chinese -- 悟 --- same in both languages. It means realization/awakening. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear JMJM, PS. Our school uses the term of practice with our heart, because heart has no memory. It is incapable to think.

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi, What I meant was, Edgar mentioned enlightenment comes after Satori. Is there anything else we could to do to realize that? How about to be Buddha? Do you talk about any of these? Do you talk about merit? Or just slap on your face? Thanks, Donald ? Bill Smart wrote: After satori

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you guys for trying. Two more questions: 1. Is satori enlightenment? 2. If you agree that Satori is an irreversible transition. Then it could be what we called, witness the Original Self. I don't know whether zen has similar term? Thanks, JM Bill Smart wrote: Edgar, You are

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
If that is the case in Ox Herding, (I don't know what that is, please provide link), then it coincide with our school's teaching. After Satori, then one liberates every sentient being. In other words, enter the mud and grow the lotus. Or cultivate the merit, on the way to Buddhahood. Or

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori you can do without being bored

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Well put, SimiNotes, since words do not count, neither are the following.. I love it... Our school teaches everyone to cultivate the chi and the chakras. In Chinese, there is no word for mind. We have either heart or brain. So, it is easy for us to say, let go of the brain and let the

[Zen] A free seminar in Irvine, CA

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi, we have a FREE seminar in Irvine, CA by a Dr. PC Lo. See attached. If you have anyone who may be interested, please forward this email. Thank you, JM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it

[Zen] Please clarify

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, Edgar, and all, What does it mean when you hear spirit, spiritual, spirituality? I vaguely recall that Bill labeled it as maya. Please explain. I am not sure I understand the true meaning or implied meaning of these words, after all these posts. Please help. Thanks, JM

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-19 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you, Bill.  JM Bill Smart wrote: JMJM, There are many links which show these pictures. You can google 'zen oxherding' or go to http://www.shambhala.org/dharma/ctr/oxherding/. ...Bill! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL

[Zen] Oxherding

2008-09-21 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Hi Bill, This is the first time I read about the oxherding. Thank you. It is dated Summer of ShoWa. Quite recent. I love the way it is put together. If I may comment on some of the terms, #8 Dharmakaya as a connection without conscious effort. Dharmakaya is omnipresent. It

Re: [Zen] Re: A free seminar in Irvine, CA

2008-09-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Thank you Karin. How about pasted it below? Scientific Evidences on Meditation Effects and Benefits *A Spa For Your Body, Mind and Spirit* *By Dr. Pei-Chen Lo* Dr. Pei-Chen Lo currently teaches at National Chiao Tung University in Taiwan in the Department of Electrical and Control

Re: [Zen] Most Zen TV Series?

2008-09-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming -
Planet Earth by BBC sold in CostCo. Very well done. Edgar Owen wrote: Sunrise Earth, it's just still cameras observing nature in different locations for a whole 1/2 hour. Edgar On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Charlie wrote: What television series encompassed the best example of

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