Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-19 Thread mike brown
You could try and write a poem. You could start with, There was an old man called Bill who.. etc etc. Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donald Hwong, You're right, of course, and I wrestle with this each time I sit down to write a post - how can I best

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-20 Thread mike brown
not necessarily depend on rationality. How about a haiku? Young fox pokes old bear, Bear smiles, revealing long fangs, Fur flies, brown and red. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could try and write a poem. You could start with, There was an old

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-20 Thread mike brown
Yeah true, they're vulgar and earthy - but they don't stink. Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What, a limerick? I assumed they were passe, But what do I know? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah, haiku stinks. There was a young fox (who

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor Haiku set

2007-12-20 Thread mike brown
Haha! Well said - a fart would have been much better! Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Limited Time Only $5 5-7-5 meter a grasping student stinking of wisdom farted at the zen forum mocking Dogen and other zen masters was easy understanding was not There was an old Bill who looked

Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor

2007-12-20 Thread mike brown
Hi cid! I think Al is a great teacher for you. You've already answered your own post - now just put it into practice... cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There you go again, Al... Did you not invite direct email in a prior post? Yes, a discussion of various topics in a park can be

Re: [Zen] The Fox and the Bear

2007-12-20 Thread mike brown
I prefer the hum of my computer. The delete button can take care of the bear poop. Good morning, Bill! Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The stealthy fox slips silently into your lair, Stealing you blind while you sleep, Awaking bewildered, not knowing what

Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-21 Thread mike brown
The heart of the subject is the same. anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Same thing, Zen comes from Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it from India. Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same. Guy In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What

Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-21 Thread mike brown
? If no, why? If not, why? Thanks...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ wrote: The heart of the subject is the same. anatmanwave anatmanwave@ wrote: ---Same thing, Zen comes from Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it from India. Just a matter of semantics

Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-22 Thread mike brown
Or maybe the raft fee is $5? Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: anatmanwave Yes you can practice Zen without offically becoming a Buddhist. Don't forget to send me your $5 donation for the I AM A BUDDHIST membership card.

Re: [Zen] Re: Personal e-mails

2007-12-22 Thread mike brown
Remember cid830, nothing is good or bad. Only thinking makes it so (Shakespeare). Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cid830 reading these posts have brought forth resentment. Resentment for the practitioner I once was. I now realize how far from the Path I have strayed. Humbly, I am

Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor

2007-12-22 Thread mike brown
Let me amend that - a raft disposal collection fee. Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: anatmanwave Yes you can practice Zen without offically becoming a Buddhist. Don't forget to send me your $5 donation for the I AM A BUDDHIST membership card.

Re: [Zen] Caveat Emptor

2007-12-22 Thread mike brown
Good idea! It's probably down the back of the sofa. anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---You want to know what Zen is? Clean your house. Guy In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so too - and if that's the case I'd like to make the most of

Re: [Zen] Caveat Emptor

2007-12-23 Thread mike brown
@yahoogroups.com, anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---lol,in the cleaning of it at least.Guy In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ wrote: Good idea! It's probably down the back of the sofa. anatmanwave anatmanwave@ wrote: ---You want to know what Zen is? Clean your house. Guy

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-23 Thread mike brown
I know what you mean. Brings on a totally new meaning to Unmon's: If you walk, just walk. If you sit; just sit; but whatever you do, don't wobble. Maybe in a modern context that would have been his warning to his co-driver if they'd been pulled over.. Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: [Zen] Caveat Emptor

2007-12-23 Thread mike brown
. The monk clearly showed his practice. Just thought it would supplement the cleaning behind the couch thing Guy In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess you had to be there... anatmanwave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Once a Zen monk was weighing

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Koans

2007-12-23 Thread mike brown
Heart mind, ground of being, 'the Self (but not the self), Man is God, God is Man' (but not man), 'where the shrill of the pheasant swallows the field'... or if you like, 'the place where the answer lies before we open our mouths'. All of which are perfectly subjective and at the same time

Re: SV: Re: [Zen] Clean House

2007-12-24 Thread mike brown
Middle finger swallows the moon and yet, the fragrance of nutsacks. craig omanion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The middle finger pointing at the moon is not the moon not is it the moons middle finger craig mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Middle finger

Re: [Zen] Haiku

2007-12-26 Thread mike brown
Thanks Robert! Of course, I should have used 'slug' not bullet to conform to the 'ghetto' .357 haiku format so thanks for making me aware. :) Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:13:04 -0800, mike brown wrote: Gun shoots bullet, Hole where head should be, Hot

Re: [Zen] Haiku

2007-12-26 Thread mike brown
I think I corrected this in an earlier post ('slug' instead od bullet) to conform to the .357 'magnu,' form. But it's all a work in progress... Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Haiku is 4-5-7. What gives? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Zen] Haiku

2007-12-26 Thread mike brown
Excuse the rushed spelling - 'magnum'. mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I corrected this in an earlier post ('slug' instead od bullet) to conform to the .357 'magnu,' form. But it's all a work in progress... Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Haiku is 4-5-7

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-26 Thread mike brown
When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and shits himself and the odour fills the carriage - are you going to cleanse your chakras or what else are you going to do? Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Koan is for the practitioners to wake

RE: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-26 Thread mike brown
Me too! But it's 'how' we move which determines the zen.. Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Move to a different carriage…Bill! When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and shits himself and the odour fills the carriage - are

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-26 Thread mike brown
Yep! Every time I attempt haiku. Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes how we move determines whether or not you squirt your pants...Ever have the squirts?? - Sent from Yahoo! #45;

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-26 Thread mike brown
You mean there's a glass??? Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, if you keep insisting on the glass half full, and only filled with waste products, hey, then I cannot liberate you... Zenbob -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-27 Thread mike brown
...then were something more... Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:04:54 -0800, anatmanwave wrote: --- Just be with the smell of shit till i can get off. This is the reality of the situation. Maybe offer the guy a few kind words, I could only imagine his

RE: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-27 Thread mike brown
... now they're just mountains once more. Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZenBob, Thanks for your excellent post. Before I continue I want to make sure my posts are received as I intend them. I’ve been accused in the past of sounding

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-27 Thread mike brown
on the carpet I'll have to clean it. Right, I'll get up but the mutt's gonna get a kick for this Or do we choose, Oh shit... and just get out of bed and let him out? Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:54:11 -0800, mike brown wrote: Notice there is a complete

RE: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-30 Thread mike brown
Interesting. I'm no student of either tanka or haiku, but the line Autumn cries for spring... is completely at odds with the spirit of zen (well, haiku at least - but not sure about tanka). Autumn does no such thing. Sounds like the poetry of Keats or Shelley claiming that the 'trees mourn

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-30 Thread mike brown
Haha! And Chairman Mao would crack your nutsack with that bit of selective propoganda. (read what followed after I wrote that sentence)... Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: mike brown Autumn cries for spring... is completely at odds with the spirit of zen Holy

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-30 Thread mike brown
Not probably but, as already admitted, completely ignorant. However, it still remains outside of zen to claim that Autumn cries for spring. Sentimental, subjective and completely ignorant of 'talking about the thing in itself'. and Mike probably was totally ignorant of the history of Haiku

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-30 Thread mike brown
Robert. Being a bit touchy there, aren't you? The critique was a well founded one regarding zen and the impossible sentimentality of the seasons (this is just not Zen). It had nothing to do whatsoever with your reconciliation with anyone. If such a comment has the power to cast a shadow... in

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-30 Thread mike brown
There was no argument or critique. Not to my thinking. Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:23:09 -0800, mike brown wrote: The critique was a well founded one regarding zen and the impossible sentimentality of the seasons (this is just not Zen) No, the critique

Re: [Zen] Zen Koans

2007-12-30 Thread mike brown
I guess you've gone out of town for a while, but I hope we can continue with this thread when you're back. I have the feeling it'll be good fun! (but I still know I'm correct...). Gone fishing, Mike. Robert Kirbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:23:09 -0800, mike brown wrote

RE: [Zen] Are babies enlightened?

2008-01-02 Thread mike brown
Hi Bill. I don't have much to say about your words regarding sentient beings, Christianity and Enlightenment because I think our views are in accord. However, I'd just like to add that in discussions about zen and the bodhisattva ideal there is often some confusion about what this actually

RE: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-08 Thread mike brown
Bill wrote: One of his students, Mahakashyapa, smiled indicating he had ‘received’ Buddha’s teachings. He became the first Patriarch of zen. Jeff Bill is like a prudent old grandpa who only offers you only one sweet knowing full well that anymore will make your teeth fall out. But also he

Re: SV: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-08 Thread mike brown
Hi Craig. Yes, I agree - this is a good group right now (I couldn't help that asside either!). For me, I try to get past the idea of even a mystery because that separates us into a BIG question seeking one BIG answer, whereas our lives are really one Big Question/Answer. What works for me

RE: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-09 Thread mike brown
Bill wrote: I was not right, I spoke too much. Yes. What a pity you couldn't tweak his nose. You can do much better ferrying like that. - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

RE: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-10 Thread mike brown
shore (religious regalia is optional). Mike. Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, Jan 10 Mike Brown wrote: Yes. What a pity you couldn't tweak his nose. You can do much better ferrying like that. Excellent idea! Now what would be the key-strokes for 'tweak nose'? How about

Re: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-12 Thread mike brown
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Re: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-14 Thread mike brown
Bill wrote: Boo who? Why are you upset? __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-15 Thread mike brown
Whatever happened to Rev Fudo and Genryu? I remember reading their posts before I went to Japan, but then I stopped reading any forum posts until recently. Were these the said victims? - Original Message From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15

Re: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-15 Thread mike brown
AM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: no death From: mike brown Whatever happened to Rev Fudo and Genryu? I remember reading their posts before I went to Japan, but then I stopped reading any forum posts until recently. Were these the said victims?. Those guys were never victims. However, they did run off

Re: [Zen] Re: no death

2008-01-15 Thread mike brown
Yep, there's certainly alot of cheese here to catch a mouse from time to time. Er, although not from me of course.. - Original Message From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 January, 2008 5:01:57 AM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: no death From: mike brown

Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-10 Thread mike brown
'n you take the low road...n' I'll get t'Scotland 'afor yee! ...Bill! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: I think your opinion is very well put, but in response to Bill's assertion that what has the political situation in Tibet got to with Zen I would say

Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-14 Thread mike brown
be looking forward to your post...Bill! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Hi! Thanks for the response Bill. Needless to say there are lots of things I would like to comment on in your post but I'm literally (well, almost literally) running out the door to catch

Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-14 Thread mike brown
If only the monk could have been compassionate to have cut the scorpion`s head off then he could have seen his true nature. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 11 February, 2008 11:56:50 PM Subject: Re: SV: RE: [Zen]

Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.

2008-02-15 Thread mike brown
the lives of others. Neither way is wrong, and neither way is the only way. Glad you’re back…Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:Zen_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com] On Behalf Of mike brown Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L. Hi

Re: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-15 Thread mike brown
Sorry Bill, but a good magician never explains his tricks. You should have let Cynth work it out for herself - we all knew what you were doing! :) - Original Message From: Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 16 February, 2008 1:05:27 PM Subject:

Re: [Zen] SPRING Zen Retreat

2008-02-18 Thread mike brown
Hi Al, I remember those heady days when Fudo and Genryu were `patrolling` this forum and I learnt a lot from them too. In fact, it was partly thru` Fudo`s contribution that I went to Japan. However, after over 3 years of living there I came to the conclusion that following a Japanese form of

Re: [Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-19 Thread mike brown
Bill: `...a long-haired, bearded hippie`.I knew it! I knew it! Add clairvoyant to my list of many titles. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-19 Thread mike brown
Whoa! What a coupla shady looking characters. By the way, who picked up who...? ___ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/

Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008

2008-02-20 Thread mike brown
Chris wrote: Thanks The Pope of Zen Chris, don`t take what you see, read or hear about yourself so personally. And especially don`t carry around with you the anger or resentment you feel is just. Al`s comment about you being the `pope of zen` was a long time ago but by holding on to it the

Re: [Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-20 Thread mike brown
! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of mike brown Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Helping Others Bill: `...a long-haired, bearded hippie`. I knew it! I knew it! Add clairvoyant to my list of many

Re: [Zen] Helping Others

2008-02-21 Thread mike brown
! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Nah, old hippies never die - they just smell that way!! :) ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008

2008-02-21 Thread mike brown
Hi Chris. No-one can piss for you and conversely you can`t piss for anyone else. If people choose not to respond to a perceived insult that is their choice. Furthermore, it might only be you who believes it to be an insult in the first point. There is a teaching technique in Buddhism called

Re: [Zen] Intro

2008-02-21 Thread mike brown
Yep. From Bill this should have read: . When hungry I eat. .When tired I sleep. .When rested I wake.. man. .Bill - Original Message From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 21 February, 2008 12:36:37 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Intro From: Perhaps it is time

Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008

2008-02-21 Thread mike brown
As a whitey, kinda pink man (who goes a lovely shade of chestnut in the summer months) - you were wrong! But you get brownie points (no pun intended) for seeing the error of your ways :) Mike. - Original Message From: cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent:

Re: [Zen] Re: Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings

2008-02-21 Thread mike brown
Couldn`t you just get the kids to sew cushions for the local temple? That way the practioners get a comfortable session, you get a pat on the head from your roshi and the kids wipeout years of their negative karma. - Original Message From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008

2008-02-21 Thread mike brown
I`m amazed you think anyone has the ability to see colour on this forum - I just see black and white letters. - Original Message From: Jackson Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 21 February, 2008 4:43:48 AM Subject: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-03 Thread mike brown
Hi Al, I`m not so sure everything has a purpose - at least in a Zen/Buddhist context. I think we sometimes give (empty) phenonema a sense of purpose to `explain` why something good/bad has happened. For example, if a boulder falls on a car full of family members and kills them all we would be

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread mike brown
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 7:15:53 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill From: mike brown to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So there. Which is exactly what a belief in God means. You are saying

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread mike brown
Chuck, True, but is the purpose of a chair inherent in object itself or is it given? A chair to an Amazonian pygmy would have a different purpose than it would to you or I. All objects/phenonema are empty of meaning. I think the `water pitcher` koan demonstrates this well. Mike.

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-10 Thread mike brown
Bill and Chuck, Wash your bowls is as good as any non-logical statement, I guess. However, `ordinary mind is the Way` seems to allow for logic to be used as a means to showing the Truth. Furthermore, the gates to the Dharma are countless which also seems to imply that nothing (including

[Zen] Vipassana Experience

2008-09-04 Thread mike brown
Hi Folks, I haven't posted here for awhile as Ive been busy moving house and changing jobs yada yada.. However, during that time I managed to do a 10 day Vipassana course. Wow! I would recommend everyone interested in meditation to try this course if they can - the reward is well worth the 10

Re: [Zen] Chan?

2008-09-06 Thread mike brown
Hi Chris, Whilst sitting on my vipassana retreat I experienced many instances of energy rushing up my spine (kundalini), mind expansion, loss of physical/mental boundaries reuslting in feelings of oceanic bliss and even one occassion where I became nothing but a body of minute, blue paricles. I

Re: [Zen] JUDO

2008-09-10 Thread mike brown
Hi Al, I'm a Kyokushin karate practioner and have represented Australia (actually I'm Welsh, but it's a long story..) at the international level. I have found Zen to be indispensable when fighting in competitions. If you start worrying negatively about the outcome of the fight, or regret not

Re: [Zen] JUDO

2008-09-11 Thread mike brown
that brilliantly in the finest martial artists such as the aikido of Ueshiba Morihei, but it also works in every aspect of daily life if we just empty ourselves and tune to the chi of the moment, and let that originate our actions without hinderance. Edgar On Sep 10, 2008, at 7:44 AM, mike brown

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-14 Thread mike brown
Hi Al, I think the tricky thing about zen is that it often feels that 'getting it' is always just around the corner or that if I just read the right book/passage/haiku/manga comic etc it'll all become clear to me. Unfortunately, this just takes us further than ever away from any kind of

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-15 Thread mike brown
are sitting in zazen or not. Just a matter of experiencing it. Edgar On Sep 14, 2008, at 4:12 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, I agree with you in one sense - we're already 'there'. But sometimes you have to go on a journey just to realise you never really had to go in the first place. Same

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-16 Thread mike brown
On Sep 15, 2008, at 8:26 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, Again, in an ultimate sense I agree with you. Most satori experiences occur off the mat (we cannot determine when they happen so they are a kind of 'Grace', if you like), but for most people these experiences are usually preceded by many

Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO

2008-09-18 Thread mike brown
personalities do you have? Will the true Mike please stand up and take a bow :-) Edgar On Sep 16, 2008, at 9:56 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, I don't belong to any particular sect but I do tend to sit in a soto Zen temple here in Japan as often as I can. You have assumed from my comments

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-29 Thread mike brown
Hi Edgar, How is this more evidence that sitting zazen in a monastry (or not) is a waste of time? I would argue that if Margie had already been sitting when this insight occured (or discovered a Zen centre soon afterwards) her experience might have been far deeper. In fact, but for the

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-29 Thread mike brown
Hi Margie, Welcome to the forum. My name is Mike and like you I had a spontaneous break thru', but unlike you I was fortunate to pick up a book literally minutes after my experience (a book on kundalini as it happens). Eventually I was led to Zen and so able to put words (as such) to my

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-30 Thread mike brown
deeper into the insights found there. Mike. - Original Message From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008 13:16:33 Subject: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Hi Margie

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-30 Thread mike brown
other techniques. I'm not against it, I'm only against people thinking that's all it takes sort of like 'Christians' that think going to church once in a while is all it take to be a Christian. Edgar On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:30 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, How is this more evidence

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-01 Thread mike brown
where people do zazen. Anyway glad you agree with me. Edgar On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:35 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, Of course, I agree with you 100% that zen is not confined to sitting in zazen and then something to be forgotten while we get on with life (kinda surprised you would assume

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-01 Thread mike brown
Satori mike brown You mentioned that someone you know sat in Japan for 3 years but became bitter because they didn't experience satori during this time. Weren't you in Japan for three years?

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-01 Thread mike brown
to. I guess the whole thing lasted about an hour and a half although there was no sense of time during it. Mike. - Original Message From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 5:02:33 Subject: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori mike brown My name

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-01 Thread mike brown
, desires, and aversions can't push me around. I am very much enjoying our discussion. Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Hi Margie, Thanks for the reply. I think you write very clearly. I agree with some of your comments, but not others

Re: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-01 Thread mike brown
Al, Hey! I said I was in it for the women - doesn't that qualify me to be a guru? Perhaps I'm over-qualified (sniff). Baba Mike. - Original Message From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 20:36:42 Subject: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
discussion. Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Hi Margie, Thanks for the reply. I think you write very clearly. I agree with some of your comments, but not others. For example, I agree that it is possible to turn off the internal dialogue

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
there just to distract you from the true path of enlightenment! :-) Edgar On Oct 1, 2008, at 6:47 AM, mike brown wrote: Hi Al, Still here (Japan) as a matter of fact. It'll be 4 years this month. I came here for the zen, but will stay for the women. Mike. - Original Message From

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
: What's after Satori Hi Mike, Aha, be ware of Asian woman. Did you notice the Japanese woman raised their tone by one octave when they talk? :-) mike brown wrote: Hi Al, Still here (Japan) as a matter of fact. It'll be 4 years this month. I came here for the zen, but will stay

Re: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
Thank you JM. Probably the wisest words I've read here in 5 years (apart from my own, of course). Mike. - Original Message From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 23:47:13 Subject: Re: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge

Re: [Zen] --------@

2008-10-04 Thread mike brown
Hi Margie, I love your poem! The objective nature of it makes it full of zen. I hope you don't mind but I've taken the liberty of writing a commentary to each line just for fun :) Mike. reality comes in on little cat feet (and takes flight when big dog feet notice) or bolts of lightning

Re: [Zen] --------@

2008-10-04 Thread mike brown
the road that's moving, it's the mind. Edgar On Oct 4, 2008, at 2:05 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Margie, I love your poem! The objective nature of it makes it full of zen. I hope you don't mind but I've taken the liberty of writing a commentary to each line just for fun :) Mike. reality comes

Re: [Zen] --------@

2008-10-05 Thread mike brown
] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Hi Margie, I love your poem! The objective nature of it makes it full of zen. I hope you don't mind but I've taken the liberty of writing a commentary to each line just for fun :) Mike. reality comes in on little cat feet (and takes flight when

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-06 Thread mike brown
To continue.. Charlie would leave the retards in the kitchen -with boiling water and knives- to watch tv. Jackson would punch-out anyone who dared ask a black man to work for him in the kitchen. Karin would take on the 'masculine' role and get her bitch to do them. Mike. - Original

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-07 Thread mike brown
. I peed my pants! Chris --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: To continue.. Charlie would leave the retards in the kitchen -with boiling water and knives- to watch tv. Jackson would punch-out anyone who dared ask a black man to work for him in the kitchen

Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth

2008-10-07 Thread mike brown
Hi Anthony, Yes, on my recent Vipassana retreat I was surprised to find out how 'stripped down' of mythology and spirituality Theravada is. I believed quite the opposite. In fact it seems much less a religion than Mahayana is, especially because of the Bodhisattva ideal (which of course does

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
Hi Mayaka, If, as you say, all these people have moral values then why is there so much suffering and strife in the world? I would say exactly because people have moral values, or rather, opposing moral values. For example, on issues such as abortion, drug use, age of consent, homosexuality

Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
for psychological treatment, though it also has that effect. Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 8/10/08, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.uk wrote: From: mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.uk Subject: Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Date: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008, 8:26 AM

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
is a double razor?. In the mind clean and pure as an innocent childlike, moral values are also clean. In a more poluted mind moral values are sick. Mayka --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Hi Mayaka, If, as you say, all these people have moral values

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
Hi Edgar, Does a cow have Buddha nature? Mike. - Original Message From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Morning Margie, Well that answers the koan 'does a dog have Buddha

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
Hi Margie, Hmm, I can appreciate the sentiment but I can't really agree that Animals are eloquent zennists. We may often observe animals appearing to 'be in the moment', but zen is also about how to live and die mindfully. For instance, we can also observe animals cowering fearfully from

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
! :-) Edgar On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:21 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, Does a cow have Buddha nature? Mike. - Original Message From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Morning Margie

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
. But that's just the way I see it- Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: Hi Margie, Hmm, I can appreciate the sentiment but I can't really agree that Animals are eloquent zennists. We may often observe animals appearing to 'be in the moment

Re: [Zen] zen cow

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
Nice story! My ex-wife used to practice Zen occasionally so we both have our own 'Zen cow' experiences. However, mine cost a lot more than $3.50 to put a smile on my face... Mike. - Original Message From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 10

Re: [Zen] consciousness

2008-10-13 Thread mike brown
Hi Bill!, Agreed. I think, therefore I am says nothing more than, I think, therefore there are thoughts - and as we know we are more than the thoughts we think. Mike. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 13 October,

Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-14 Thread mike brown
Hi Anthony, Many zen masters still remember the origin of zen, which is mahayana Buddhism has a root vow of Bodhisatva to save all sentient beings in the world. I have trouble seeing that reconciled with the non duality. I think you'll find that Edgar has already answered the question about

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