Re: [Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Edgar,  You are not wrong, but like most of my post, incomplete to a 
degree.  Since this subject was brought out by one of our practitioner 
in a different group.  I am not sure, this is the right place to 
discuss.  Continue this direction requires some deeper understanding of 
Tao, of which I am confident that you know a lot.

On your first paragraph however, people here may be interested.  Can you 
detail what you mean by, there is no after death state.?  And we can 
not experience death?

Much obliged,
JM

Edgar Owen wrote:

 JM,


 At death we are NOT moving from one state to another. There is no 
 after death state. Life is consciousness. Death is an illusion in the 
 sense that it is never experienced. Is is not and can not be part of 
 direct experience, therefore it is non existent and the greatest of 
 illusions. In terms of direct experience only other beings can die. 
 There is no after death state.

 Also people can get carried away and deluded on trying to identify and 
 classify what is yang and what is yin. While it is a good model to 
 understand Tao as the basic substance resolving itself into a 
 multitude of opposing forces, trying to classify which of those forces 
 is yang and which is yin misses the point. There are a multitude of 
 opposing forces that doesn't mean half are yang forces and half are 
 yin forces, they are all different and have their own characteristics. 
 Yang and yin are to be understood as a template, not an actual 
 classification system for all forces. By classifying forces as yang 
 and yin one misses the true nature of those forces.

 Edgar



 On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote:

 Al, How about this one from our San Francisco practitioner, Guy French?

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 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
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 _/\_

 Here is my take on this coming from a Shaolin background. When we do
 motion Chan we are in mostly yang state. When we do sitting Chan we
 are in a mostly yin state. I say mostly because... When we do Yang
 Chan we we try to maintain a Yin mind, inner state, When we do
 sitting, our mind is focusing on moving Chi. Our breath is in motion,
 our blood is in motion. Even trying to have a yin mind, and no mind,
 we are experiencing a form of Yang. As with the symbol of Tai Chi/yin
 yang there is no pure one or the other, there is only degrees of both.
 Even at death we are moving from one state to another, even if it is
 just physically. I would say true form is flowing.

 _/\_


  



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Re: [Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-17 Thread Edgar Owen

V,

Master Po lied! Or perhaps you are misinterpreting him...

In Zen there is no 'good' or 'evil', though there is the implicit  
assumption that when one is acting from enlightenment one will in  
general be doing things that the world would usually but not  
necessarily always call good. This is because one will be aware of  
the Buddha nature of all beings and act naturally compassionately  
towards them.


There is also the assumption that detached compassion tends to  
further the attainment of enlightenment, as it generates minimal  
attachments, attachments being impediments to enlightenment.


Edgar



On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:35 PM, v wrote:


Edgar Owen wrote: trying to classify which of those forces is yang and
which is yin misses the point.

It was always my understanding one side was the good/light and the
other half was the evil desires/darkness. What did I miss? This is how
it was explained by Kwai Chan Caine on the TV show Kung Fu, and Master
Po would not lie.







Re: [Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-17 Thread Edgar Owen

V,

I wouldn't put it that way.

Edgar



On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:33 PM, v wrote:


Edgar Owen wrote: At death we are NOT moving from one state to
another. There is no after death state. Life is consciousness. Death
is an illusion in the sense that it is never experienced. Is is not
and can not be part of direct experience, therefore it is non existent
and the greatest of illusions.

So we are all eternal bits of soul energy flowing around the universe?







Re: [Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-17 Thread cid830
JMJM might, though.

Chris

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 V,
 
 I wouldn't put it that way.
 
 Edgar
 
 
 
 On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:33 PM, v wrote:
 
  Edgar Owen wrote: At death we are NOT moving from one state to
  another. There is no after death state. Life is consciousness. 
Death
  is an illusion in the sense that it is never experienced. Is is 
not
  and can not be part of direct experience, therefore it is non 
existent
  and the greatest of illusions.
 
  So we are all eternal bits of soul energy flowing around the 
universe?
 
 
 






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[Zen] cultivating chi

2008-09-16 Thread Fitness63
Just keep trying to be younger. I think that is your chi which can make you 
younger and bring about eternal life if properly cultivated. 

Please provide good examples of cultivating chi! 

Best wishes, 

Al


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
  To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO


  Al, On the average, there are about 15-20% of the English posted here 
  are beyond me. I can read every word, but I miss the mark. Like this 
  one for instance, what part is the younger? It would be nice if you 
  could pointed out and then I can try to be younger. Wouldn't you?
  :-)

  Fitness63 wrote:
  
   From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - Indeed, even the chakra connections, chi flow,
   etc. occur most fluidly when we expect the least. Our head really blocks
   off a lot of things
  
   Did you really write this, or do you have someone translating for you? I
   hope you are not offended, but sometimes you sound like an old 
   professor and
   sometimes you sound like a younger person. I get the feeling that the 
   flavor
   of your messages depends on who is translating or you may be watching too
   much Television and that is affecting your style.
  
   Please turn off your TV and return to meditation and study. I like the 
   old
   professor style better.
  
   Al
  
   


   

[Zen] Cultivating Chi

2008-09-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Al,  How about this one from our San Francisco practitioner, Guy French?

 Original Message 
Subject:[HeartChan] Re: [Fwd: Stillness In Motion
Date:   Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
From:   Fuu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Heart Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



_/\_

Here is my take on this coming from a Shaolin background. When we do
motion Chan we are in mostly yang state. When we do sitting Chan we
are in a mostly yin state. I say mostly because... When we do Yang
Chan we we try to maintain a Yin mind, inner state, When we do
sitting, our mind is focusing on moving Chi. Our breath is in motion,
our blood is in motion. Even trying to have a yin mind, and no mind,
we are experiencing a form of Yang. As with the symbol of Tai Chi/yin
yang there is no pure one or the other, there is only degrees of both.
Even at death we are moving from one state to another, even if it is
just physically. I would say true form is flowing.

_/\_






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