Re: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-16 Thread Al
 Cynth  Seriously, though, I was trying to give him the brush-off and he
would
 not stop bugging me.  I did not want to play the I'm a mom card, but
 that was about all I was left to do.


Where's the punch-line? Is that when you post your photo?



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Re: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-16 Thread Cynth
Aw, shush.  I'm sick of you bugging me.

Cynth

Al wrote:
 
 
 Cynth  Seriously, though, I was trying to give him the brush-off and he
 would
   not stop bugging me. I did not want to play the I'm a mom card, but
   that was about all I was left to do.
  
 
 Where's the punch-line? Is that when you post your photo?
 
 


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Re: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming
It is a Tibetan Buddhism tradition, after the Dalai Lama passes away, his
people will look for a new born reincarnated with his spirit to continue
that leadership.  I am sure, if you google/wikipedia it, you will find it.

JM

On Feb 15, 2008 5:59 PM, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MJMJ,

 Thanks for your thoughtful post.  You documented many things about DL I
 didn't know – like his announcement that, as you wrote,  …he would not be
 reincarnated.

 What do you think he meant by that?

 Do you think he meant that he, as the personage of Dali Lama, would not be
 reincarnated?

 Do you think that he meant that he himself would not be reincarnated?  If
 he meant this it would seem to go against Buddhist teachings.  Zen might
 allow for that if DL was fully enlightened and as a result no longer subject
 to karma and the cycle of life and death.  I don't know what the traditional
 Buddhist teaching is on that.

 I'd be interested in your thoughts on this.

 Oh yes, I almost forgot – are you married?  Do you think we could meet in
 a coffee shop somewhere to get to know each other better?  I'm a Capricorn.
 What's your sign?

 Thanks…Bill!



 *From:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
 Behalf Of *Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
 *Sent:* Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:19 AM
 *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* [Zen] D.L. Again



 What I have learned about Chan is to be synced with the life force and
 wisdom at all time and be detached from all forms. Or in our every day
 language, live with our best foot forward without expectation, agenda,
 objective, etc. Based on this perspective, though still partial once
 expressed in language .

 Dalai Lama was carried out to protect the linage. D.L was brought up to
 lead, guide, broadcast, teach whatever he was capable of, educated with,
 felt inside, or believed in strongly.

 Now that he is aging. His rinpoches are teaching world wide. He has
 met every leader in the world that he could. He has also now realized
 that his insistence that he will be reincarnated again will only divide
 his people more. And even perhaps cause more suffering. He realized
 also perhaps that his mission in this life is to bring Tibetanism to the
 rest of the world instead of just in Tibet. As you know, he announced
 that he will not be reincarnated again.

 I have thumb through a book published in Taiwan, by someone who
 interviewed D.L extensively on this decision of his. It was complex,
 forward looking, as well as spiritual with some political points of view.

 In all, what i have learned about D.L. was he did what he could at every
 moment. That is in line what I have learned.

 I can not say that I am correct. I can only say, no one should make
 quick judgment on anyone else.

 We are all here with a mission. Each of us is different.

 _/\_
 JM



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Re: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-16 Thread Al
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming It is a Tibetan Buddhism tradition, after the
Dalai Lama passes away, his people will look for a new born reincarnated
with his spirit to continue that leadership.  I am sure, if you
google/wikipedia it, you will find it.

It is all explained in the Eddie Murphy movie, The Golden Child.



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RE: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-15 Thread Bill Smart
MJMJ,

Thanks for your thoughtful post.  You documented many things about DL I didn’t 
know – like his announcement that, as you wrote,  “…he would not be 
reincarnated”.

What do you think he meant by that?

Do you think he meant that he, as the personage of Dali Lama, would not be 
reincarnated?

Do you think that he meant that he himself would not be reincarnated?  If he 
meant this it would seem to go against Buddhist teachings.  Zen might allow for 
that if DL was fully enlightened and as a result no longer subject to karma and 
the cycle of life and death.  I don’t know what the traditional Buddhist 
teaching is on that.

I’d be interested in your thoughts on this.

Oh yes, I almost forgot – are you married?  Do you think we could meet in a 
coffee shop somewhere to get to know each other better?  I’m a Capricorn.  
What’s your sign?

Thanks…Bill!

 

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jue Miao 
Jing Ming - 
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:19 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] D.L. Again

 

What I have learned about Chan is to be synced with the life force and 
wisdom at all time and be detached from all forms. Or in our every day 
language, live with our best foot forward without expectation, agenda, 
objective, etc. Based on this perspective, though still partial once 
expressed in language .

Dalai Lama was carried out to protect the linage. D.L was brought up to 
lead, guide, broadcast, teach whatever he was capable of, educated with, 
felt inside, or believed in strongly. 

Now that he is aging. His rinpoches are teaching world wide. He has 
met every leader in the world that he could. He has also now realized 
that his insistence that he will be reincarnated again will only divide 
his people more. And even perhaps cause more suffering. He realized 
also perhaps that his mission in this life is to bring Tibetanism to the 
rest of the world instead of just in Tibet. As you know, he announced 
that he will not be reincarnated again.

I have thumb through a book published in Taiwan, by someone who 
interviewed D.L extensively on this decision of his. It was complex, 
forward looking, as well as spiritual with some political points of view.

In all, what i have learned about D.L. was he did what he could at every 
moment. That is in line what I have learned.

I can not say that I am correct. I can only say, no one should make 
quick judgment on anyone else.

We are all here with a mission. Each of us is different.

_/\_
JM

 

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Re: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-15 Thread Bill Smart
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Cynth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ew...there's something unsavory about getting a pickup line from 
someone 
 in an email group, especially in the middle of a debate.
 
 Cynth
 
My point exactly!  It's the old 'hold up a mirror to show you what you 
are doing' trick.

My last paragraph in my most recent post was mocking the recent reparte 
between you and Al and Charlie and Dawn.

...Bill!



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RE: [Zen] D.L. Again

2008-02-15 Thread Bill Smart
Cynth,

Yeah.I noticed that both you and Dawn were not too receptive, but I couldn't
resist that little jab; and I've exchanged posts with JHJH enough to know he
wouldn't take it seriously.

I'm glad to see you participating on the forum.  I hope we can revive it
with some serious zen-oriented discussions - or even not so serious
zen-oriented discussions.  The key here is 'zen-oriented'. 

 

Where is Jarvis when we need him?

 

.Bill!

 

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Cynth
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] D.L. Again

 

Damn! Hoisted by my own petard.

How dre you?!?

Seriously, though, I was trying to give him the brush-off and he would 
not stop bugging me. I did not want to play the I'm a mom card, but 
that was about all I was left to do.

Cynth

Bill Smart wrote:
 
 
 --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, 
 Cynth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Ew...there's something unsavory about getting a pickup line from
 someone
  in an email group, especially in the middle of a debate.
 
  Cynth
 
 My point exactly! It's the old 'hold up a mirror to show you what you
 are doing' trick.
 
 My last paragraph in my most recent post was mocking the recent reparte
 between you and Al and Charlie and Dawn.
 
 ...Bill!
 
 

 

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