Re: [Zen] Mindfulness pt 2
For JM, these are two, not two and exactly two. So we must watch we do not to cling to the one or other. Flexibility arises without effort but is secondary to the cause. With common eyes we can not see and the fluidity that is needed falls moot. Touching and feeling in the dark, where is this liberating way. It is only after our mind settles, and we release that which binds us that we lay wake to these briars that fell from Buddha’s playful lips, and now true shadows do we see. Shunyata is not bound, it is the essence of the Tathagarba, IT IS “empty”; however, within its emptiness all is possible – the ultimate potentiality is revealed. All things are marked by emptiness and at their core there is no lasting marks or attributes. In truth, Shunyata is everything and yet nothing/ no-thing. I hear in these text much talk of the difficulty of using these words such as “mindfulness” - so I pose we do not. I pose we experience our own path and stop worrying about what to call it. Much needs to be done my friends and time is short. Adidaphat! Joriki From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 12:02 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: zenliv...@yahoogroups.com ; chan-socal-engl...@googlegroups.com Subject: [Zen] Mindfulness pt 2 Happy New Year Ed, Propose another word in place of mindfulness is a very challenging task. Let me explain. In the practice and dealing with everyday life, we say Be aware but not attached to, focus but not focusing, observe but not observing, are some of the terms we use while we translate from our Chinese text to English. In other words, sync to the universal wisdom at every moment, and not be attached to the meaning of the phenomena. is the phrase we need to represent with a single word. The most common general terms as a verb in the practice, we use are be aware, sense, feel, etc. i.e. sense our breathing, feel the chakra. They are usually terms applying also to emotions, feelings as well as our general overall well being, physical and spiritual. We can not separate our true feeling from our body or mind. We are very careful not to consistently use the same word. Especially the practice to notice the conditions of our body, mind and spirit, could require different verb for a similar function. Chan teaching requires flexibility. The purpose of Chan wordings are nothing but to wake up the practitioner, and not to set a path or a rule to follow. After 5,000 words, Diamond Sutra said only one thing, Whatever you think it is, it is not. It just is. Perhaps a lot of times, I am guilty in becoming lazy and just say, Shut up, Sit down and Stop thinking. LOL. Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 1/1/2011 7:37 AM, ED wrote: JM, What is your proposed definition of 'mindfulness'? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 mailto:chan.j...@... wrote: Thank you JDB. Indeed we also teach emptiness of mind. Somehow the western Zen is stuck on the label of mind and would not let go. There is even a seminar about the small mind and big mind. Though all journeys lead to the same place. Mind is too close to thinking. It can be easily misunderstood and misinterpreted. We teach empty your mind, enhance your heart. And we continue to say because heart is where we could unify our body, mind and spirit. Somehow, unify our body to the same physical structure as the universe is not emphasized in western Zen. Most of the reading that I have encountered with focuses mainly on the mind and its awareness, not on the body and little on the spirit. Though we constantly talked about body, mind and spirit, but in essence, they are one and inseparable. Just like the universe. In our school, awareness does not reside in the mind. Awareness is a function of our spirit, which reside in our heart. Heart is not the organic heart, but our total well being, our center or ONE. Awareness enhancement helps us to be awakened to the Absolute Awareness of the universe. This brings this post to another question. What does Zen say about our spirit? Our spiritual levels, our spiritual being, spiritual karma, the sixth, seventh and eighth consciousness? After several years with this forum, I have read little about these. In other words, to be enlightened, we need to surpass karmic hindrance of body, mind and spirit. We need to work on all three. Otherwise, we are just imagining and hoping. On this New Year Day, I hope this post is not too objectionable to ALL. Happy New Year and thank you for your patience and understanding for all the years. JMJM Head Teacher Order Of Chan Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 12/31/2010 10:12 PM, Rev. Joriki Dat Baker wrote:  Or the emptiness
Re: [Zen] Mindfulness pt 2
JDB, Indeed. I love the way you write. Please continue to support this forum. A bow Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 1/1/2011 6:10 PM, Rev. Joriki Dat Baker wrote: For JM, these are two, not two and exactly two. So we must watch we do not to cling to the one or other. Flexibility arises without effort but is secondary to the cause. With common eyes we can not see and the fluidity that is needed falls moot. Touching and feeling in the dark, where is this liberating way. It is only after our mind settles, and we release that which binds us that we lay wake to these briars that fell from Buddha’s playful lips, and now true shadows do we see. Shunyata is not bound, it is the essence of the Tathagarba, IT IS “empty”; however, within its emptiness all is possible – the ultimate potentiality is revealed. All things are marked by emptiness and at their core there is no lasting marks or attributes. In truth, Shunyata is everything and yet nothing/ no-thing. I hear in these text much talk of the difficulty of using these words such as “mindfulness” - so I pose we do not. I pose we experience our own path and stop worrying about what to call it. Much needs to be done my friends and time is short. Adidaphat! Joriki *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 mailto:chan.j...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 01, 2011 12:02 PM *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com *Cc:* zenliv...@yahoogroups.com mailto:zenliv...@yahoogroups.com ; chan-socal-engl...@googlegroups.com mailto:chan-socal-engl...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Zen] Mindfulness pt 2 Happy New Year Ed, Propose another word in place of mindfulness is a very challenging task. Let me explain. In the practice and dealing with everyday life, we say Be aware but not attached to, focus but not focusing, observe but not observing, are some of the terms we use while we translate from our Chinese text to English. In other words, sync to the universal wisdom at every moment, and not be attached to the meaning of the phenomena. is the phrase we need to represent with a single word. The most common general terms as a verb in the practice, we use are be aware, sense, feel, etc. i.e. sense our breathing, feel the chakra. They are usually terms applying also to emotions, feelings as well as our general overall well being, physical and spiritual. We can not separate our true feeling from our body or mind. We are very careful not to consistently use the same word. Especially the practice to notice the conditions of our body, mind and spirit, could require different verb for a similar function. Chan teaching requires flexibility. The purpose of Chan wordings are nothing but to wake up the practitioner, and not to set a path or a rule to follow. After 5,000 words, Diamond Sutra said only one thing, Whatever you think it is, it is not. It just is. Perhaps a lot of times, I am guilty in becoming lazy and just say, Shut up, Sit down and Stop thinking. LOL. Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 1/1/2011 7:37 AM, ED wrote: JM, What is your proposed definition of 'mindfulness'? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 mailto:chan.j...@... wrote: Thank you JDB. Indeed we also teach emptiness of mind. Somehow the western Zen is stuck on the label of mind and would not let go. There is even a seminar about the small mind and big mind. Though all journeys lead to the same place. Mind is too close to thinking. It can be easily misunderstood and misinterpreted. We teach empty your mind, enhance your heart. And we continue to say because heart is where we could unify our body, mind and spirit. Somehow, unify our body to the same physical structure as the universe is not emphasized in western Zen. Most of the reading that I have encountered with focuses mainly on the mind and its awareness, not on the body and little on the spirit. Though we constantly talked about body, mind and spirit, but in essence, they are one and inseparable. Just like the universe. In our school, awareness does not reside in the mind. Awareness is a function of our spirit, which reside in our heart. Heart is not the organic heart, but our total well being, our center or ONE. Awareness enhancement helps us to be awakened to the Absolute Awareness of the universe. This brings this post to another question. What does Zen say about our spirit? Our spiritual levels, our spiritual being, spiritual karma, the sixth, seventh and eighth consciousness? After several years with this forum, I have read little about these. In other words, to be enlightened, we need to surpass karmic hindrance of body, mind and spirit. We need to work on all three. Otherwise, we are just imagining and hoping. On this New Year
