[Zen] New Yahoo! Group Format

2013-09-24 Thread BillSmart
Okay! I finally figured out how to get into the management area and changed the Kremlin Home Page photo. Were going to have to try to find another picture though. One which has a different orientation and is more wide than tall to fit better. Im requesting suggestions on this.Also

Re: [Zen] New Yahoo! Group Format

2013-09-24 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, Don't change it! It's the most wonderful Zen photo I've seen and it is still viewable from certain entrances. Edgar On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:38 AM, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Okay! I finally figured out how to get into the management area and changed the

RE: Re: [Zen] New Yahoo! Group Format

2013-09-24 Thread BillSmart
I havent seen my last Reply Post to Edgars message yet, and its been a couple hours. Im re-posting it to see if the problem is Yahoo!s or mine...All I said was that I will keep this image but will re-position it a little - which Ive already doneBill! ---In

[Zen] New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-17 Thread desert_woodworker
Bill!, Edgar,Can something be done to restore the old look and functionality of the group website? This new incarnation is too discomforting.I suspect and fear that this change is due to the new Yahoo CEO.Maybe all are powerless to repair the damages, therefore. Im lost, as it is,

[Zen] New file uploaded to Zen_Forum

2013-06-27 Thread Zen_Forum
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Zen_Forum group. File: /Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf Uploaded by : billsmart billsm...@hhs1963.org Description : Yahoo! Zen Forum Posting Policy You can access

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-27 Thread Merle Lester
   yes i googled joe and thus it is so: renaissance...  mine were all modern art...merle   Merle, They're all Renaissance. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe..i will google vasari...i am familiar with most artists lives..my first was when i was 12 the life of vincent van

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Joe
Edgar, What Bill! perfectly meant was tautology. His Literary-Critical English-Lit Major vocabulary got in the way of his eye-tooth, and he couldn't see what he was saying (for once). ;-) And, BTW, Edgar: the Enso in Zen and Ch'an art is NOT a symbol of your circular reasoning! It's not a

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Joe
Bill!, Nope. You meant tautology. How do I know? Because I'm not you! ;-) --Joe Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: My bad! You're right, I meant solipsism. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Edgar Owen
Joe, Is that little . at the bottom meant to represent the size of your brain? :-) Edgar On May 26, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Joe wrote: Edgar, What Bill! perfectly meant was tautology. His Literary-Critical English-Lit Major vocabulary got in the way of his eye-tooth, and he couldn't see what

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Sometimes the words in the august Zen Forum remind me of nothing so much as the inane squabbling my 8 year old and my 12 year old do when they haven't eaten recently enough. I thought Zen Forum would allow me to escape the inane and tedious bickering of normal life, but here it is, still posing

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Edgar Owen
Chris, I agree it's pretty pathetic Edgar On May 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: Sometimes the words in the august Zen Forum remind me of nothing so much as the inane squabbling my 8 year old and my 12 year old do when they haven't eaten recently enough. I thought

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Joe
Edgar, That's my ego, swell-head! '-| --Joe Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Joe, Is that little . at the bottom meant to represent the size of your brain? :-) Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading!

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Sometimes. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On May 26, 2013 12:53 PM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Chris, I agree it's pretty pathetic Edgar On May 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: Sometimes the words in the august Zen Forum remind me of nothing so much as

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Bill!
Joe, I can't even remember exactly what it was right now, but it was something Edgar posted that to me smacked of solipsism of which he always accuses me of practicing. I've just posted something in more detail on that. But it's also true Edgar is guilty of tautology. Unfortunately so am I

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Bill!
Chris, This is the very dilemma Siddhartha is said to have been wrestling with - how to cease suffering. He finally gave up and vowed to sit under the Bodhi tree until he either starved or found an escape. It does have to be noted he had an advantage over us. He sat there without a PC,

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Bill!
To me it represented the experience of Buddha Nature. A period is sometimes referred to as a 'full stop', and that's what necessary sometimes to first experience Buddha Nature - a full stop of your intellect. Although a better representation would just be an empty space, but that doesn't show

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Bill!
Joe, You say you're re-reading LIVES OF THE PHILOSOPHERS? Don't you have some other, fresh reading to do? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Bill!, Bill!, none of your repetitions are needless. I don't think you're built that way (to do that).

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Merle Lester
 here here..i whole heartedly agree bill...come on chris... merle   Chris, This is the very dilemma Siddhartha is said to have been wrestling with - how to cease suffering. He finally gave up and vowed to sit under the Bodhi tree until he either starved or found an escape. It does have to

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Joe
Bill!, Oh, yes. Always. Yeah, yerright. And, BTW, some writing of a young new author, especially, has my immediate (next) attention. I think it's the fellow's first novel. The old masters have grabbed my eyelashes, though, but, in a few more days, I'll need a respite. Not just to stare

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Merle Lester
 joe..i will google vasari...i am familiar with most artists lives..my first was when i was 12 the life of vincent van gogh.. which made me cry. i did have a big thick black book then... on the lives of artists...maybe it is the same one you are reading... merle   Bill!, Oh, yes. Always.

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-26 Thread Joe
Merle, They're all Renaissance. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe..i will google vasari...i am familiar with most artists lives..my first was when i was 12 the life of vincent van gogh.. which made me cry. i did have a big thick black book then... on the lives of

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-25 Thread Edgar Owen
Varamtha, OBE's become very simple to understand once you understand that the mind generates its own reality. The world we think we live in is ENTIRELY A PRODUCT OF OUR MIND. Part of the structure of that simulated mental world is the mind placing the experience of the self INSIDE the

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-25 Thread Bill!
Edgar, You wrote: The world we think we live in is ENTIRELY A PRODUCT OF OUR MIND. Gee, that kind of sounds like syllogism to me...;) ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Varamtha, OBE's become very simple to understand once you understand that the

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-25 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, LOL! You are too funny. Trying to be rational but you don't know the difference between syllogism and solipsism! No wonder you are so opposed to rationality if you don't have any! :-) OK, now here's the answer to your question. External reality consists ONLY of empty evolving

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-25 Thread Bill!
Edgar, My bad! You're right, I meant solipsism. And you're right again, I do fail to recognize that there is an external reality of empty information forms. I recognize that these forms are dualistic illusions I create and project on reality. You're 2 for 2 tonight! (My night, your

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-25 Thread uerusuboyo
Bill!,br/br/I thought Edgar was correct on this point too, but put it down to my reading of it late at night!br/br/Have you, or anyone else here, ever seen an attempt at creating a representation of how this external reality of 'information forms' would 'appear'? Merle's art springs to mind, as

Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences

2013-05-25 Thread Edgar Owen
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] New science is shedding light on what really happens during out-of-body experiences Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 2:23:06 PM Edgar, My bad! You're right, I meant solipsism

[Zen] New

2013-04-26 Thread kaydam60
Hello all I know nothing about Zen. I enjoy the music and recently read a book about Edgar Casey and reincarnation. Found it very interesting and made some sense. I read a little about Zen and some of it sounds like what I read on Edgar Casey. Very interested. Was raised in a Christian

[Zen] New York tattoo

2013-02-08 Thread Merle Lester
we zen mob might like to tattoo a zen motif?..merle http://www.lostateminor.com/2013/02/07/virginia-elwood-new-yorks-up-and-coming-tattoo-artist-3/?utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=829utm_content=829+CID_6fa11d03a06794ebdb5b8f2607506064utm_source=newsletterutm_term=Virginia-Elwood-1

[Zen] New York Times Election Forcast...

2012-11-06 Thread Bill!
I know this is not like any other one you've seen. I think it's because all the other news media want the election to seem close so you'll stay tuned. This is what the New York Times forecasting group has been saying for months now... New York Times 538 Blog Forecast as of Nov 05 - 11:59 PM:

Re: [Zen] New York Times Election Forcast...

2012-11-06 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I really like Nate's methods. He just published a very good book on making predictions - the key is to keep aware if the limits of what you know. And now off to vote. On Nov 6, 2012 12:35 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: I know this is not like any other one you've seen. I think it's

Re: [Zen] New York Times Election Forcast...

2012-11-06 Thread Joe
Chris, Bill!, Merle, et al., I've been following the 538 blog forecast in my hometown paper, THE NYT, also. Remarkably disparate with all the others. To me, highly encouraging. We may know the real outcome in 12 hours. The morning polls rush may be lessened here soon, so I'll walk up to the

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-08 Thread Kristopher Grey
Same way your question arises. KG On 10/7/2012 5:25 PM, yonyon...@gmail.com wrote: how? yeongsoo On 10/6/12, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com mailto:kris%40kgrey.com wrote: It appears so. KG On 10/6/2012 2:46 AM, yonyon...@gmail.com mailto:yonyonson%40gmail.com wrote: aren't

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-07 Thread yonyonson
On 10/6/12, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. But who is it who is aware of that identity? Maybe nobody. dunno. faith comes to mind... That one is worth finding. That's why we practice. But not everyone -- and not everyone here -- practices. It's worthwhile to do so, in

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-07 Thread yonyonson
how? yeongsoo On 10/6/12, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com wrote: It appears so. KG On 10/6/2012 2:46 AM, yonyon...@gmail.com wrote: aren't appearances too, just THIS!? and hindrances for that matter? On 10/6/12, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com mailto:kris%40kgrey.com wrote:

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-07 Thread desert_woodworker
Yonyonson, Seriously, all Tortoise-Shell Coat cats are female. And some people will not keep male cats because of the spray-marking of territory that even neutered Toms will do, if they ever learned that behavior. The numerical part of the cat's name came from our telephone Area Code of the

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
Merle, I didn't watch the video. I just guessed from the description. That sentence was just chum in the waters. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: so you did watch the german's jumping in the water bed...you told me NOT to send such

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Kristopher Grey
Self'/no-self', 'mind'/'no-mind' - such beliefs (or opinions if you prefer to think personal attachments differ from personal expressions of them) are hindrances, but being 'empty' can only appear to hinder. So long as such stories are appealing, you will pursue them. Doing so, one imagines

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread yonyonson
aren't appearances too, just THIS!? and hindrances for that matter? On 10/6/12, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com wrote: Self'/no-self', 'mind'/'no-mind' - such beliefs (or opinions if you prefer to think personal attachments differ from personal expressions of them) are hindrances, but being

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
KG, The only hindrance is self. When self melts away so does self/no-self, mind/no-mind, beliefs, opinions, appearances, hindrances/encouragements, etc... Self follows a path. Without self there is no path to follow, nowhere to go. Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Bill!
yonyonson604, I'm assuming you've addressed this post to Kris so I'll let him respond. If you've addressed it to me let me know. ...and say hello to yonyonson602 and 603 for me too while you're at it. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, yonyonson@... wrote: aren't appearances too, just THIS!?

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread yonyonson
whenever I post, let any with a response, respond... k, just watch out for yonyonson607 ;-) he may be a prime suspect *whaa whaaa whaa* On 10/6/12, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: yonyonson604, I'm assuming you've addressed this post to Kris so I'll let him respond. If you've

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Merle Lester
   why did you not watch it bill!..can we drop the !... it's hard work sorry i thought you did!  merle   Merle, I didn't watch the video. I just guessed from the description. That sentence was just chum in the waters. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@...

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
Merle, I already told you why I didn't watch the video. The description didn't interest me. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:    why did you not watch it bill!..can we drop the !... it's hard work sorry i thought you did!  merle  

[Zen] New Zen: on the run

2012-10-06 Thread Merle Lester
what a wet blanket he is!. a nark to put in mildly! .evolve mr. guru  embracing zen is NOT about sitting on tiny rubbery  mats for 2/3 hours   breathing in and out going blue in the face and getting blood clots in one's legs at the end of the day  you embrace life with zen  and practise on

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Merle Lester
 right...so you judge a book by it's cover too?,,merle   Merle, I already told you why I didn't watch the video. The description didn't interest me. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:    why did you not watch it bill!..can we drop the

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Bill!
Merle, Absolutely! Or in this case the blurb on the inside and back of its jacket...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  right...so you judge a book by it's cover too?,,merle   Merle, I already told you why I didn't watch the video.

[Zen] New Zen :NOW

2012-10-06 Thread Merle Lester
 jesus..that's bloody insight for ya!  the old saying goes: never judge a book by it's cover and a man by his clothes merle   Merle, Absolutely! Or in this case the blurb on the inside and back of its jacket...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Kristopher Grey
It appears so. KG On 10/6/2012 2:46 AM, yonyon...@gmail.com wrote: aren't appearances too, just THIS!? and hindrances for that matter? On 10/6/12, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com mailto:kris%40kgrey.com wrote: Self'/no-self', 'mind'/'no-mind' - such beliefs (or opinions if you prefer to

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Joe
Yes. But who is it who is aware of that identity? Maybe nobody. That one is worth finding. That's why we practice. But not everyone -- and not everyone here -- practices. It's worthwhile to do so, in order to appreciate the identities, and the differences. Else, it's all a mish-mash, and

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread Joe
Yonyonson, That's higher than I can count, anyway. A sweetheart of mine had a cat named Pretty602, a female tortie. Actually, all torties are female, it's a sex-linked fur expression. --Joe601/half-a-dozen-of-another yonyonson@... wrote: k, just watch out for yonyonson607 ;-) he may be

[Zen] Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread billsmart
This is an interesting article by Dosho Mike Port about what he sees are the benefits and detriments the Western Baby Boomers have made to zen culture. He contrasts the more intensive, individual-focused 'traditional style' training which up until 20 or so years ago was the only training available

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread desert_woodworker
Bill, What you (one) receive(s) by way of training depends on who you study with. I have felt for long that the western successors of Japanese teachers were beginning to really water-down the practice, and its integrity. (It will bounce back after a few generations, I suspect. The world is

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread billsmart
Joe, Thanks for your response. I have been a formal student of two Japanese Zen Buddhist teachers and a more casual student of a Korean teacher. I have never talked or had any contact with Chinese teachers (I assume you're referring to 'Chan Buddhism') before JMJM joined the forum. I have

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread Kristopher Grey
On 10/6/2012 1:09 AM, billsmart wrote: My practice is to continue to more completely bring no-mind (Buddha Nature) up off the cushion and more fully integrate it into my daily life. Seeing 'no-mind' as being more or less 'Buddha Nature than mind is the only hindrance to realizing life as the

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread Bill!
The only hindrance to fully realizing Buddha Nature (IMO) is clinging to self...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote: On 10/6/2012 1:09 AM, billsmart wrote: My practice is to continue to more completely bring no-mind (Buddha Nature) up off the cushion and

Re: [Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread Merle Lester
so you did watch the german's jumping in the water bed...you told me NOT to send such stuff!...naughty you opening it up and peeking inside..merle I also like to jump on waterbeds from time to time. ...Bill!

[Zen] New poll for Zen_Forum

2012-07-05 Thread Zen_Forum
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Zen_Forum group: Many who discuss zen also engage in zen practice. How about you? o Do you sit in zazen (zen meditation)? o Do you have a zen teacher who you see regularly? o Do you have a zen teacher who you visit

[Zen] New Member

2012-04-23 Thread Edgar Owen
I'd like to welcome Merle to the group who is known to me from another list Merle lives in Australia Welcome Merle and don't hesitate to post. You will find at least several well informed members here who will be happy to discuss Zen with you. Edgar co-moderator

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-23 Thread Bill!
@ To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-23 Thread rewrisk
Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-23 Thread Bill!
Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-22 Thread Bill!
@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-22 Thread rewrisk
2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said Buddha

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-18 Thread Edgar Owen
%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-17 Thread yonyonson
mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-17 Thread Bill!
: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said Buddha was. So, do you think they're both (God

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-15 Thread Mel
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group   Hi Mel, All, I'd say we can find below instances in almost every 'religion', zen included. Or perhaps, 'zen buddhism'. Siska

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-14 Thread Mel
by monks in Thailand(Talisman?)   But...I just don't see the point. However, that's only me of course   Buddha be praised Mel From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 13 January 2012 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-14 Thread Mel
PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group   JMJM, The word 'chi' in Thai means 'to urinate' or could just mean 'urine'. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@... wrote: JM,   Chinamen in Thailand say the girls at Patpong are full of chi.   anthony

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-14 Thread siska_cen
@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Greetings Bill and all   Yes...yesand yess...thankin' yo, suh. Ladies and gents, it's not that I'm only pleased to hear what I want to hear in  this case, and neither am I trying to stir up war

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-14 Thread mike brown
Edgar, An illusionary tale, told by no-one to no-one in particular, with no significance whatsoever. Very Shakespearian. Mike --- On Sun, 15/1/12, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, seeking

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-14 Thread Anthony Wu
-the-tr...@yahoogroups.com; futurolog...@yahoogroups.com; spacetimeandconsciousn...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 22:05 Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group   Bill and JM, Tao is the universal life force that is and moves the universe. My name for it is ontological energy

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-14 Thread Edgar Owen
From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; seeking-the-tr...@yahoogroups.com; futurolog...@yahoogroups.com; spacetimeandconsciousn...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 22:05 Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Bill and JM, Tao is the universal life

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Edgar Owen
From: Bill! BillSmart@... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread 覺妙精明
Okay, Amy, I'll try. This is a tall task and may hinder someone, if read in the microscopic fashion. These were originally written into two volumes of text books in Chinese titled, Characteristics of Chan. Not only they are a bit cryptic, but also not enough examples to illustrate each one

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   I am interested in your teacher's seven principles of the universe. Please explain.   Anthony From: 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 0:01 Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group   Hi Bill Mel and All

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Bill!
From: Bill! BillSmart@ To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread 覺妙精明
, and the next From: Bill! BillSmart@ To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Bill!
:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said Buddha was. So, do you think they're both (God and Buddha

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Bill!
Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said Buddha was. So, do you

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread 覺妙精明
: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said Buddha was. So, do you think

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread 覺妙精明
%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your post below: 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said Buddha

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread 覺妙精明
@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Bill!
%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group Mel, Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond to your

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   Chinamen in Thailand say the girls at Patpong are full of chi.   anthony From: 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 10:29 Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group   Hi Bill, Chi means energy in general, or life

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-13 Thread Bill!
˜Ž chan.jmjm@... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 10:29 Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group   Hi Bill, Chi means energy in general, or life force.  That's all chi means.  In the Chinese culture, Fengshui, acupuncture, Taichi, etc. are all based on chi.  Perhaps

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-11 Thread yonyonson
2012 10:11 AM *Subject:* [Zen] New to Group Hi! I am new to this group and fairly new to Buddhism. I am learning but I feel like I need others to talk to, others with more experience and education than I. My family has been on a spiritual journey for awhile. I am very drawn to the Four Noble

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-11 Thread Bill!
@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 January 2012 10:11 AM *Subject:* [Zen] New to Group Hi! I am new to this group and fairly new to Buddhism. I am learning but I feel like I need others to talk to, others with more experience and education than I. My family has

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-10 Thread mike brown
and so to be fully awake to these moments. Hope that helped! Mike --- On Tue, 10/1/12, Amy Lemmon amylem...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy Lemmon amylem...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] New to Group To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 10 January, 2012, 10:11

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-10 Thread Mel
From: Amy Lemmon amylem...@yahoo.com To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012 10:11 AM Subject: [Zen] New to Group   Hi! I am new to this group and fairly new to Buddhism. I am learning but I feel like I need others to talk to, others with more

[Zen] New to Group

2012-01-09 Thread Amy Lemmon
Hi! I am new to this group and fairly new to Buddhism. I am learning but I feel like I need others to talk to, others with more experience and education than I. My family has been on a spiritual journey for awhile. I am very drawn to the Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold Path and The Five

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-09 Thread ChrisAustinLane
As a parent, knowing that I and my children will die, I find the work of parenting to be full of significance Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Jan 9, 2012, at 15:11, Amy Lemmon amylem...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi! I am new to this group and fairly new to Buddhism. I am

Re: [Zen] New to Group

2012-01-09 Thread Amy Lemmon
@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group   As a parent, knowing that I and my children will die, I find the work of parenting to be full of significance Thanks, Chris Austin

Re: [Zen] New Topic - Rebellions for Freedom

2011-02-27 Thread Bill!
: From: Bill! BillSmart@... Subject: [Zen] New Topic - Rebellions for Freedom To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 26 February, 2011, 9:40 AM   What does everyone think about the recent rebellions fighting for freedom/democracy in Tunisia, Egypt, Dubai, Libya and Wisconsin

Re: [Zen] New Topic - Rebellions for Freedom

2011-02-26 Thread Anthony Wu
of suffering.   Anthony --- On Sat, 26/2/11, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: [Zen] New Topic - Rebellions for Freedom To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 26 February, 2011, 9:40 AM   What does everyone think about the recent rebellions

[Zen] New Topic - Rebellions for Freedom

2011-02-25 Thread Bill!
What does everyone think about the recent rebellions fighting for freedom/democracy in Tunisia, Egypt, Dubai, Libya and Wisconsin? Do you think they have any chance of succeeding in the long term? ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you

[Zen] New to Group

2011-01-19 Thread artist
Hi my name is Brett, and I am new here. This looked like an interesting group, so I decided to give it a shot. Brett. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-12-01 Thread Healthyplay1
Subject: RE: [Zen] New Member Bill, You are saying that after realizing Buddha nature there is business as usual? In other words, after ridding myself of illusions, I can enjoy orgy house? You are welcome there too. Anthony --- On Tue, 30/11/10, billsm...@... billsm...@... wrote

Re: [Zen] New Member

2010-12-01 Thread Anthony Wu
perliament recently. That wasn't an illusion.   Anthony --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Healthyplay1 healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Healthyplay1 healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 3:54 AM   Bill/ Anthony, As JK wrote

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