I'd like to welcome Merle to the group who is known to me from another list
Merle lives in Australia
Welcome Merle and don't hesitate to post. You will find at least several well
informed members here who will be happy to discuss Zen with you.
Edgar
co-moderator
Subject: RE: [Zen] New Member
Bill,
You are saying that after realizing Buddha nature there is business as usual?
In other words, after ridding myself of illusions, I can enjoy orgy house?
You are welcome there too.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 30/11/10, billsm...@... billsm...@... wrote
perliament recently.
That wasn't an illusion.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 2/12/10, Healthyplay1 healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Healthyplay1 healthypl...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 3:54 AM
Bill/ Anthony,
As JK wrote
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
Bill,
Sitting can calm the mind and make it more receptive to the Teachings (of
the Buddha); and living by these Teachings will drastically curtail the
creation of new turmoil in the mind.
It is not at all clear whether realizing Buddha Nature can augment one's
Bill,
We are in agreement.
One small point: The 'concept' of self makes the world go round - for
better and for worse - and calling it 'illusory' does not detract from
its overwhelmingly stupendous power in the world.
My position on Zen is: It has been very precious to me. My belief is
that
On Nov 29, 2010, at 16:01, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Our society, being what it is, stress, excitement and agitation are the usual
state of the mind.
I was not disputing how much life is pervasively unsatisfying, but
that calming the mind is a matter of doing. It is a matter of
'wei wu wei: action without action or effortless doing'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@... wrote:
I was not disputing how much life is pervasively unsatisfying, but
that calming the mind is
, Lluís Mendieta lme...@intermail.es wrote:
From: Lluís Mendieta lme...@intermail.es
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 30 November, 2010, 6:29 AM
Hi, Anthony
It will be very well Mahayana, but I have always read that we will be not
complete till
ED,
I am just expanding your question: will there be profound changes after
realizing Buddha nature? Or just business as usual?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 30/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date
Bill,
Sitting can calm the mind and make it more receptive to the Teachings
(of the Buddha); and living by these Teachings will drastically curtail
the creation of new turmoil in the mind.
It is not at all clear whether realizing Buddha Nature can augment one's
(Corrected)
Bill,
Sitting can calm the mind and make it more receptive to Teachings (of
the Buddha); and living by these Teachings will drastically curtail the
creation of new turmoil in the mind.
It is not at all clear whether realizing Buddha Nature can augment one's
Nor does it change human nature on greed, aversion and delusion that lead to
killing, lying, robbing and raping?
Anthony
--- On Mon, 29/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 29
One slight quibble I have with this.
I think calmness is the natural state of the mind, and sitting allows that
to be seen.
The mind becomes calm when people stop ruffling it up, not when people calm
it.
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:16 AM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Sitting can calm the
What is your point?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote:
Nor does it change human nature on greed, aversion and delusion that
lead to killing, lying, robbing and raping?
Anthony
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book
Chris,
Do you not believe that there *is* merit in discussing various possible
motivations for Zen practice, and what we hope to gain from it for
ourelves and/or for humankind (if anything at all?)
Thanks, ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote:
Pardon my
On Nov 28, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Lana M. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't doing anything for gain (even good gain) contrary to Zen in the first
place?
I would say that the effort to achieve results is more likely to crinkle up
your mind than to allow you to stop doing the things
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Rose P things_r...@yahoo.com wrote:
The 'why' seems to me to be a very important question, esp for beginners
like me who are looking for some sort of inspiration (totally not the right
word, but don't have a better one) from those who have been practicing a
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:34 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
Bill,
That may well be the case.
Does it automatically follow that others ought to spend enormous amounts of
time and energy attempting to attain the same
Bill,
Exactly!
In my case, a long time ago I was in great mental suffering and
confusion. I accidentally discovered Zen literature and took to it. I
did group zazen and private Zazen and enjoyed both - as well as the
chanting, rituals, discipline and non-rational stories.
Therefore, if anyone
Chris,
Thank you so much for this gift of yourself from you to us.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@... wrote:
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010, Rose P wrote:
The 'why' seems to me to be a very important question, esp for
beginners like me who are looking for some
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 8:46 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
Bill,
Exactly!
In my case, a long time ago I was in great mental suffering and confusion. I
accidentally discovered Zen
Bill,
That may well be the case.
Does it automatically follow that others ought to spend enormous amounts
of time and energy attempting to attain the same mind-state, and if so,
why?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
Ed,
I am convinced that I have met,
Pardon my intrusion into this interchange, but I strongly feel that why is a
question each person must wrestle with for themselves.
You seem to have an intellect very activated with a lot of questions with a lot
of energy behind them. If you are content with that way of living, and it seems
. Only by
looking into oneselves we can see what really is in us.
Mayka
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, Lana M. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Lana M. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 18:43
: Re: [Zen] New Member
Bill,
How would one recognize a Buddha Mind in the real world? Has there been or
is there any roshi in America who has been an exemplar on how to manifest
Buddha Nature in the real world?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote:
Lana
Yes.
I have been privileged to have access to something that when I've tried to
explain what it is, comes out very techno-babble (I work in computers).
I've referred to it as a server cluster of minds - a cluster is a setup
in which computers share spare resources to communally think on the same
This is the very issue - to be Zen is to be frozen, cold, selfish to
those who are still stuck in dualism. They can not fathom, in their context
of the world, that it is possible for someone to
believe/support/accept/embody polar opposites. They do not realize the best
compassion is given
[Bill!] Why does this attitude of other people make you sad? If what you
say is true then your very life is providing them with an example of a
content human being. You can do no more unless they specifically ask you
for guidance.
Because they can not understand I am (usually) content.
For me the issue is not location, it has nothing to do with noise or
hustle-bustle. It has to do with non-superficial interaction with people,
which I guess in and of itself is the issue because that is not the Way.
Thank you for the realization.
-Lana
We are here to add what we can to life,
In my experience, there is an innate knowing when encountering another
person currently occupying the same mind as you do.
-Lana
We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life.
- William Osler
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Bill,
Anthony,
A human succeeds in fulfilling the three essential goals of 'eat,
survive , reproduce' is due to the power of his 'ego' to focus on them.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote:
ED,
You say: if babies had no egos, the only babies who survived for
Babies do not split life into self and other.
Also they do not get distracted by abstract worries. They are fully present in
the moment. They are not much concerned with stuff outside of their own
internal needs, but that is appropriate.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On
It is very easy to feel there is no difference between self and other while
alone, whether under a tree outside or in a server room. Maintaining that
understanding while a person that knows you well and is really mad at you and
is in some conflict with you is a different challenge.
I
Perhaps Chris is trying to say that our sufferings are often caused
by having expectations of others, while babies do not.Our job in
this life is to practice Six Act of Perfection without expectation.
:-)
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 11:06
This is the very issue - to be Zen is to be frozen, cold, selfish to
those who are still stuck in dualism. They can not fathom, in their context of
the world, that it is possible for someone
There is a difference between being cold and being thought of as cold.
-Lana
We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life.
- William Osler
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.comwrote:
*Lana:*
*Yes, you have a point
I have no one that knows me well.
-Lana
We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life.
- William Osler
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:48 AM, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.netwrote:
It is very easy to feel there is no difference between self and other while
Chris,
You are saying babies are good zen practitioners. As Jodi said, dogs are as
well.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote:
From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum
Greetings,
I apparently have been practicing a number of principles of Zen for quite
some time, albeit completely unintentionally. A lot of what I am reading
now are things I have realized through experience without external
guidance: It is very refreshing to see there are teachings for this
Good question Lana. It would be great to have more discussion in this forum
about the nitty gritty of dealing with people in the world.
Rose
--- On Wed, 11/24/10, Lana M. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Lana M. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com
Subject: [Zen] New Member
It seems to me that traditional buddhists were able to step away from the
world and dedicate themselves to their studies, some did not even have to
do chores! Only the teachers really needed to interact with outsiders and
even then, they only really interacted with those who were interested in
No, Thank You. I already have much of the infant's mentality, the lack of
duality, the awareness, the no-mind - to discard all of what I have
learned so far would be to discard my true self.
The typical five year old has many concepts and ideas, they are possessive,
materialistic, extreme in
...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Rose P things_r...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 23:35
Good question Lana. It would be great to have more discussion in this forum
about the nitty gritty of dealing with people
lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 23:53
No, Thank You. I already have much of the infant's mentality, the lack of
duality, the awareness, the no-mind - to discard all of what I have learned
so far would
Lana,
From your own experience (which is the only non-illusory mode of sensing
true reality that is accepted on this zen forum,) have you any evidence
that 'buddhas' exist?
Thanks,
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Lana M. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@...
wrote:
No, Thank You. I already
Rose and Lana,
For an unenlightened response, the question can only be answered on a
case by case basis.
For an enlightened response, the answer is 'just THIS' in every moment.
(But that may infuriate the other if he/she is unaware of the rules of
the game that you are playing from!)
---ED
Lana,
The way in which babies normally and naturally behave is to be obsessed
with 'I/me/mine' (it's ego), with no regard whatsoever for the needs of
its mother or anyone else - and without which attitude it would not
survive.
In short, if babies had no egos, the only babies who survived for
. Gibbons lana.m.gibb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 0:29
It seems to me that traditional buddhists were able to step away from the world
and dedicate themselves to their studies, some did not even have to do
rush
hour just as well as in a cave in Tibet.
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lana M. Gibbons
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 7:30 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
It seems to me that traditional buddhists
Dear Lana,
I was taught that all encounters of ours are form. And all forms are
caused by some cause and each cause is caused by generations of causes,
visible or invisible. We call these causes karma for simplicity sake.
Please try to fulfill every encounter, because there is a reason
of worldly buddhas will expand dramatically.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New Member
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 9:33 AM
Lana,
The way in which babies
Mike,
Thank you so much for your informative comments which I will mull over
(together with Bill's.) I appreciate the brevity, precision and clarity
of the understandings and insights that you (and Bill) have afforded us.
Thanks again.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote:
ED,
Your posts always involve or provoke insight.
Anthony,
It makes me a little happy that at least one person sees and appreciates
at least one trait that I may possess. ;-)
I won't comment on the relationships between
not to fall into sleep after such long hours?.
A big smile to you
Mayka
--- On Thu, 14/10/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 14 October, 2010, 12:28
Mike wrote:
You can be in intense pain around the 40 minute mark (if you haven't
moved), but suddenly the body/mind experiences a letting go of the pain
and changes to intense bliss and euphoria - and I mean ecstasy
(personally, I don't think this is anything 'spiritual', but just the
effect
on a retreat, I'm sure that many of the world's problems
would
be sorted out overnight.
Mike
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 15 October, 2010 17:53:17
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
Mike:
This of yours
Greetings, Kahty!
What can one say other than the same old, same old: Variability in
genetics and environment?
Regards, ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, kahtychen touc...@... wrote:
Greetings, All.
Why do some people engage in studying the mind/nature of being/the
metaphysical
Ed, My responses:
Hello Mike, Bill, Edgar, Mayka, Anthony, JM and All,
A few questions (which may stimulate comments/dialogue) come to mind:
(1) In meditation practice, is pain a necessary ingredient for the
breakthrough to bliss and ecstasy?
No.
(2) Is this phenomenon similar to or
Mayka,
Well, a 10 day vipassana course is pretty much like an 8 day sesshin except in
the following ways. The vipassana course goes for 10 days and there is
absolutely no talking, reading, writing or any form of communication
whatsoever.
Wake up at 4am; last meal 11.30am; lights out at
Mayka,
Sure. Which particular aspect of vipassana would you like me to elaborate on?
Mike
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 12 October, 2010 17:46:22
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
Mike:
I didn't see
Mike:
Whatever experience you had with it would do it. Thanks.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 13/10/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 12:15
Mayka
brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 12 October, 2010, 3:03
Mayka,
When I started Zen in Australia the centre I attended was from the Robert
Aitken lineage. There wasn't
is excellent. Why do you need a
spell checker?
Mayka
--- On Sun, 10/10/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 10 October, 2010, 0:06
Bill,
Put 'Rinzai' into your
flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 12 October, 2010, 2:56 AM
Anthony:
I know you're not an English native speaker. And yet your English is great. Do
you use any translator, helper of any kind
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 10 October, 2010 19:12:15
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
Good morning Bill:
I don't have the Microsoft package with word application software but
the substitute free download called: Open Office Org. Writer. I write and post
directly. My BT Yahoo settings has a spell
@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
Bill,
Put 'Rinzai' into your spelling checker. Otherwise, I will start calling you
Bildoz
I have the same question as Mayka. I don't have a checker on Yahoo Mail. How do
I get and use it?
Anthony
--- On Sat, 9/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963
...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 10:43
Mayka, (by the way, speaking of misspellings, I have a hard time not spelling
your name as ‘Makya
...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 10 October, 2010, 9:24
Maria Carmen (a.k.a. Mayka),
My responses are embedded below:
May I ask you what spell
!
--- On Sat, 9/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 2:17
Mayka,
I’ve studied under both Renzai and Soto masters
...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 5:43 PM
Mayka, (by the way, speaking of misspellings, I have a hard time not spelling
your name as ‘Makya’ – I don’t know why that is. I actually had to add
could be well coming through own mental fabrication.
Mayka
--- On Thu, 7/10/10, phoebepfox phoebep...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: phoebepfox phoebep...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 7 October, 2010, 4:01
Thank you all for this group. I
I meant in previous post: I am not familiar with soto zen koans.
--- On Fri, 8/10/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 8 October, 2010, 9:37
Hello
W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 8 October, 2010, 17:10
Hello Mayka,
It is my understanding that Soto Zen is just about sitting and Renzei Zen is
about koans.
When the Roshi slaps a student in Renzei
There are koans used in Soto training, but differently from Rinzai -
more to hone the understanding of advanced students than to prod a
student towards an initial experience of non-duality.
Bill! describes the Rinzai training, where I have heard Mu or some
other intro koan is used to move the
Jody/Mayka,
Soto zen is otherwise called zombie zen. A zombie doesn't talk, let alone
create koans.
Renzai should read Rinzai.
Anthony
--- On Sat, 9/10/10, Jody W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com wrote:
From: Jody W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member
. Both have
been very nice and enlightening.
Anthony
--- On Sat, 9/10/10, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote:
From: Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 6:34 AM
There are koans used
Hello Anthony,
Thank you.
JODY
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From: Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net
Subject: Re: [Zen] New member.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 6:34 AM
There are koans used in Soto training, but differently from Rinzai -
more to hone
Phoebe, Welcome to the Yahoo! Zen Forum!
My response/comments to your first post are embedded below:
Thank you all for this group. I am currently studying a book called Zen
Flesh Zen Bones. Does anyone else have this text or is currently reading
it? I would like very much to study and discuss
Thank you all for this group. I am currently studying a book called Zen Flesh
Zen Bones. Does anyone else have this text or is currently reading it? I would
like very much to study and discuss the Koans in this book and/ or post Koans
here to be discussed with all.
I am currently working on a
Hello,
I just recently joined the group, and wanted to introduce myself to everyone.
My name is Jeremy, and I live in a small town in upstate New York, not too far
from the family farm where I grew up. I have a B.S. degree in wildlife
biology, and have worked as a zookeeper, wildlife
check out http://www.heartchan.org the largest at home Chan
practitioners' group from Taiwan. Very Asian :-)
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Hello,
I just recently joined the group, and wanted to introduce myself to
everyone. My name is Jeremy, and I live in a small town in upstate New
York, not
Thank you for your warm welcome Bill. Here is a question for the group.
I have read some things on zazen from this forum and on the internet as well
as in books. when I meditate I calm myself and allow myself to rest and relax.
For a few moments I do nothing but sit and allow my thoughts
Allen,
Every school is different in practice, though short term effectiveness are
different, similar benefits in the long run nevertheless.
I can only speak of the practice that I am familiar with. Here is the link to
my school for your reference.
http://www.heartzen.org
We are Chan from
Sorry for the confusion, Allen. Our first step is Purification - purify the
body and the mind. This is a formulated practice. After one masters the
formulated practice, then one moves on to formula-less practices.
In the formulated practice, the first step is belly breathing.
After one can
Peace to All,
Hello everyone. My name is Allen Rogers and I am new to this group
and I look forward to many discussions with you.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!
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Al, Welcome to the Zen Forum!
As you can tell by scanning the postings over the past several weeks there
has not been much action except the reason short exchanges prompted by Tony
Wu's posting. I hope you'll feel free to engage whenever there are postings
of interest, and I encourage you to
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