Good News! (Kind of...)
I've been able to recreate the problem Audrey and Mookey reported. The
Ooppss! Only a Moderator Can Do That response when entering the Home Page
and clicking on CONVERSATIONS. I did it by creating a new test account for me
that was not a Moderator.
Now I just
Well, thats kind of embarrassing. There was supposed to be a graphic in the message. It didnt show up and I dont know why...Bill! ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:Especially for Edgar..Bill!
I dont... ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:This is a graphic...Do you see it?
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Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional
Second Try...img src="">height=50 width=100Do you see it now? ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:I dont... ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:This is a graphic...Do you see it?
I see it only when I click on it...
Edgar
On Oct 1, 2013, at 6:12 AM, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Second Try...
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src=https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1184838_10202240585519798_1292807694_n.jpg;
height=50 width=100
Do you see it now?
...and I couldnt open this file. Did anyone figure out how to do that? ...Bill! ---In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, zen_forum@yahoogroups.com wrote:File: Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf
Description : Yahoo! Zen Forum Posting Policy
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Greetings
I do not have the ability to access the site, although I am getting emails.
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zendervish
Salik et al...In the new format when you get to the Home Page you will see a banner across the top with Bohdidharmas face.Below that there is a row of choices, one of which is CONVERSATIONS. Thats where the posts are kept.When you click on that youll get a choice of TOPICS,
I saw my second posting. It only took a minute or so to post so the first one must have been my errorMore about this new Yahoo! Groups format later...Meanwhile KEEP POSTING (or trying to...). ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:I havent seen my last
Bill!,Howdy, I use Firefox under Windows XP and Windows 8, on several machines.--Joe --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, zen_forum@yahoogroups.com wrote:Joe,
What browser are you using?
...Bill!
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Current Book Discussion: any Zen book
All,
So far I've only discovered I'm caught in a Catch-22 conundrum concerning my
efforts to change the Kremlin photo on our new Yahoo Info Page.
The problem is that I can only go to the URL and view the new page I am not
signed-in; and when I am not signed-in I cannot use my awesome powers as
Thanks for the very good specificity in your post, Bill! (!)When I use the URl you gave and put it in the command line of Firefox, I see, regrettably, theKremlin.And the URL in the command line of the browser at that time changes to, and
Joe,
What browser are you using?
...Bill!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/
*
I see now - Firefox...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Joe,
What browser are you using?
...Bill!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups
Joe,
I'm trying to analyze the change to determine if I can change it back, or to
something else. The problem I'm having is I don't see it when I come to the
Zen Forum. I see the old view with the drawing of Bodhidharma. The only way I
can get to see the new 'Kremlin' view is to log out of
Joe, et al...
What do you see when you go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ ?
Do you see the old Bodhidharma page or the new Kremlin one?
If you see the new Kremlin one, what is the URL of your browser at that time?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@...
Merle,
Probably not, but survival is not the goal or purpose of zen...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
is it possible to survive day to day in our present civilisation
egoless?...merle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egolessness
Edgar, et al... This is very strange.
When I view the Home Page using my regular browser I am taken to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/and it's the old Home
Page. This page seems unchanged to me.
When I view the Home Page using the a different
Bill,
I'm using Mac Safari browser.
When I click on 'visit your group' at the bottom of a post I am taken to
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Zen_Forum/info with Kremlin photo.
When I try to go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ I get page doesn't
exist error.
When I go to yahoo
hi joe..no rain, early spring..hot yesterday herald first fires... in this
hawkesbury/ blue mountains area...cheers merle
Hi, Bill!, and thank you for the kind welcome.
I don't see the usual Zen Forum masthead: I see a view of the onion-domes of
the Kremlin, an image set to serve to
Joe,
Welcome back. Traffic on the forum has been slow and muted lately. Is that
what you mean?
...Bill!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit your group
hi joe...merle
Joe,
Welcome back. Traffic on the forum has been slow and muted lately. Is that
what you mean?
...Bill!
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Joe,
When I go the the Yahoo! Zen Forum Home Page it looks the same to me.
I did hear Yahoo! changed the font of it's logo. They showed the old and new
on CNN and they are virtually the same. I think the new logo's font is a
little thicker.
Let me know if when you go to the Home Page it
Oops! Everything after the SECOND He's saying...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Here's a nice one posted especially for Edgar for two reasons:
1. to see if he's still around2. to get his comment.
I generally like the message, but could do without everything
All Members,
I think this posting policy is automatically re-posted the first of every
month. This posting is not an indication that there have been violations
lately.
It's also sent to every new member when they register.
Just FYI...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
Suresh,
Temporarily halting what Tolle has described below as the incessant stream of
involuntary and compulsive thinking and the emotions that accompany it is
exactly what zen teaching and practice techniques such as zazen, chanting,
bowing, koans, etc.., are employed to do.
...Bill!
--- In
to
believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation and
freedom are not found thru a belief in a god.
Mike
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From: larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 8:57:54 AM
because i can and it's fun!..i do not follow the norm mike..do
you?..merle
Your definition
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*From: *larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com;
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*Subject: *Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
*Sent: *Mon, Aug 26, 2013 11:08:10 PM
I hate to quote the master but the Buddha said 'since there is no way to
prove
Merle,br/br/If you have no concrete, empirical evidence of a creator god
then it's all just preconceived and presupposed. In other words - made
up.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
that liberation and
freedom are not found thru a belief in a god.
Mike
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
From: larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 11:08:10 PM
I
Freeing the mind is a myth.
What cannot be found, cannot be bound.
The imagined mind, imagines itself otherwise.
KG
On 8/27/2013 1:53 AM, larry maher wrote:
Totally fair to say. How can anyone 'free' his mind if he hangs onto
preconceived ideas?
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM,
what was?...merle
I thought it was a 60s flashback thing..
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From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 9:42:54 AM
Merle,
Did you
: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 3:46:28 AM
mike ..you have missed the boat...( the point)... watch the brazilian tribe
doc..then tell me there is no god...merle
Merle,
Just because belief in a god gives comfort it doesn't make it true.
Mike
Sent from Yahoo
Merle,br/br/what the hell did you think god was?...br/br/I'm not
sure, but does he wear the Welsh number 15 shirt and convert the winning kick
against England last year?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail
for iPad
Thing is tho, a belief in a deity *is* the norm. And is also 'painting legs on
a snake' because it just isn't needed. Also, not sure how believing in a god is
fun. Each to their own, I suppose.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo!
Mail for iPad
merlewiit...@yahoo.com;
* To: * Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
* Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
* Sent: * Mon, Aug 26, 2013 8:57:54 AM
because i can and it's fun!..i do not follow the norm mike..do
you?..merle
Your definition is meaningless though
Larry,br/br/I think it's fair to say that Buddhism respects the gods people
may choose to believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that
liberation and freedom are not found thru a belief in a
god.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
of Buddhism that liberation
and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god.
Mike
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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*From: *larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com;
*To: *Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
*Subject: *Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
*Sent: *Mon, Aug 26, 2013 11:08
Most people of such delusional persuasion also use 'creation' as a noun.
KG
On 8/25/2013 1:01 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with
how most people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without
such a belief. Why
And a 6000 year old one, at that.br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 1:31:32 AM
mike...it is the nature of the beast : human... to construct weave and
create.. we do not live by bread alone..you know that...merle
Merle
They're
delusional...huh?...wait till the sun goes down on you!! merle
Most people of such delusional persuasion also use 'creation' as a noun.
KG
On 8/25/2013 1:01 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how
most people
The creating and identifying of the ego as self is what creates suffering: the
First Noble Truth.br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 8:10:17 AM
yes... but we do it anyway..so let's have fun doing it..merle
Merle,
The idea behind self-realisation to to stop the weaving and deconstruct. You
should know that..
Mike
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: Merle Lester merlewiitpom@...;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 3:46:28 AM
Â
 mike ..you have missed the boat...( the point)... watch the brazilian tribe
doc..then tell me there is no god
I thought it was a 60s flashback thing..br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail
for iPad
bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle
Merle,
Did you just have a birthday or something?
...Bill!
.
Merle,
I was just wondering where you got all those emoticans you started using
lately...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle
Merle,
Did you just have a birthday or something?
bill...they are in yahoo ... ..merle
Merle,
I was just wondering where you got all those emoticans you started using
lately...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle
Merle,
Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to
prove God and there is no way to not prove, so believe whatever works for
you.' That's why I like Eastern thought, Hindu's cool also, just too many
gimics and sideshows and people thinking dressing in white bathrobes helps
Bill!,br/br/Would you agree that you probably would never have experienced
'zen' without Siddharta Gotama's enlightenment and the spreading of the sutras?
I agree that experiencing Buddha Nature is not intrinsically dependent on them,
but it may as well be. Without Buddha's rediscovering of
Larry,br/br/Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating
an unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to
create a Creator.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for
iPad
an
unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to
create a Creator.
Mike
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* To: * Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
* Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
* Sent: * Sat
for iPad
From: larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:20:48 AM
Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to prove
God
: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:24:25 AM
Merle,
Well, that all depends on what you mean by 'zen'.
I've defined what I mean by zen (lower-case 'z') many, many times on this forum
and elsewhere. A short version of that definition is: a set of teachings and
techniques
Larry,
Zen is not a religion and does not recognize a god.
Buddhism is a religion, IMO, so you might be confusing the two: zen and
Buddhism.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to
interesting bill..your streaks ahead in consciousness..merle
Mike,
No and Yes...
The no part is that I experienced Buddha Nature on my own before encountering
zen. I'm sure we all have. When we were infants before our intellect was
developed enough to create the delusion of
Merlebr/br/They're both fictional constructs. But at least ego has some
relative truth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/Utility is no measure of
Truth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,
Zen Buddhism (Japanese), Ch'an Buddhism (Chinese) and Soen Buddhism (Korean)
are all very similar and to the best of my knowledge (which is not that great
in this area) share the same foundations and basic teachings. There are some
differences though. JMJM on this forum is a Ch'an
Yes Merle, you could say acceptance is 'good' in certain circumstances,
or that it is of use/value to the individual. That's the point. As such
it remains a subtle form of attachment. I am not judging this, or
suggesting it not be pursued. I am only pointing out the dual nature of
On 8/24/2013 2:27 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Larry,
Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an
unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the
need to create a Creator.
Mike
Even the need some feel to identify or creating a creator is an
And comfort is only sought when dis-eased.
KG
On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Merle,
Utility is no measure of Truth.
Mike
God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like
it!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well,
to be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a
few times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate.
Thanks,
Larry
PS I've sort of belonged to a open internet group with a terrific
mike..explain yourself please..
and KG not true...on a beautiful spring day one rejoices and gives thanks
that one has eyes to see and ears to hear and a tongue to speak..merle
And comfort is only sought when dis-eased.
KG
On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
cynical mike..tut tut..shame on you..merle
God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like it!
Mike
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From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
bill...thank you for the clarification... merle
Merle,
Zen Buddhism (Japanese), Ch'an Buddhism (Chinese) and Soen Buddhism (Korean)
are all very similar and to the best of my knowledge (which is not that great
in this area) share the same foundations and basic teachings. There are some
what is AYPsite.com? merle
I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well, to
be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a few
times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate.
Thanks,
Larry
PS I've sort of belonged to a
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:40:32 AM
mike excuse me...what's soul got to do with ego?..merle
Bill!,
Would you agree that you probably
so self is no self but the other..hence we need to refresh our ideas and
return to the garden of eden... the brazilian rainforest tribe eh?..merle
Merle,
You can read more about what I think about this at:
http://www.billsmart.com/writing/zen/self/self.htm
...Bill!
Merle,br/br/Just because belief in a god gives comfort it doesn't make it
true. br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
But they're both so comforting!br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/The idea behind self-realisation to to stop the weaving and
deconstruct. You should know that..br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPad
merlewiit...@yahoo.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 1:23:16 AM
mike..explain yourself please..
and KG not true...on a beautiful spring day one rejoices and gives thanks
that one has eyes
Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most
people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without such a belief. Why
paint legs on a snake?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for
iPad
Merle,
Yes. IMO zen is not an exclusive subset or sect of Buddhism.
Buddhism is a religion has does have many, many lists of principles, dogma,
doctrines, rituals, precepts, vows, etc... All these IMO have nothing directly
to do with zen, but in the case of Zen Buddhism are like an add-on
Merle,
The experience of a toothache is not a delusion. It is real. It is in fact a
characteristic of Buddha Nature.
Classifying the experience as 'pain' and judging it to be 'bad' is the delusion.
More generally put, experience is real. Classifying and judging are
perceptions and products
Bill,
o.k.
I at first will investigate before i write ove rmy experiences.
aham
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Aham,
IMO zen is a set of teachings that first enable you to experience Buddha
Nature (to see things as they really are in Vipassana-speak) and
Merle,
thanks.
aham
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
for the new member..welcome aham... cheers merle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL2XUTeoUsM
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently
Merle,
thnaks.
aham
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
aham.. check this out...cheers merle
http://mro.org/zmm/teachings/discourses.php
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or
JM,
as a principle I agree.
Aham
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ chan.jmjm@... wrote:
Dear Aham,
Zen is about letting our inner divine, labeled as Buddha Nature, to
shine through. Let it be our guide in our daily life. And the only way
that it may shine
On 8/22/2013 5:12 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
..when in reality it is a matter of acceptance
merle
Acceptance, of anything, is rejection of change.
KG
Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head
was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is?
The one with the 45 yrs of meditation. I won't bother anyone, am just
trying to figure this out.
Thank you
Larry
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:53 PM,
Larry,
Bill and me, Edgar, are co-moderators of the group...
Edgar
On Aug 23, 2013, at 12:32 PM, larry maher wrote:
Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head
was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is?
The one with the 45
Larry,
The Zen Forum has no 'head' or 'leader', but does have two co-moderators who
might be considered that for administrative purposes. They are Edgar and me
(Bill!). The forum 'owner' is Al, but he is no longer active and very rarely
posts.
I am a 67-year old US citizen who lives in
Merle,
The 'rule of thumb' is that you should not beat your wife with a stick that is
thicker than your thumb. That is an old English law and the origin of the term
'rule of thumb'.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
meaning what
from what i gather you would not have zen if you did not have
buddhism..correct me if i am incorrect..merle
Merle,
Yes. IMO zen is not an exclusive subset or sect of Buddhism.
Buddhism is a religion has does have many, many lists of principles, dogma,
doctrines, rituals, precepts,
bill...the idea of beating at all is disgusting..merle
Merle,
The 'rule of thumb' is that you should not beat your wife with a stick that is
thicker than your thumb. That is an old English law and the origin of the term
'rule of thumb'.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle
Merle,
I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain as a
judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and maybe
even think Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain?
Merle,
Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who
doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as
I do. Someone ELSE!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...not why
bill...acceptance is the key...what sort odf a zen buddhist are you?..merle
Merle,
Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who
doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as
I do. Someone ELSE!
...Bill!
--- In
for the new member..welcome aham... cheers merle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL2XUTeoUsM
Aham,
IMO zen is a set of teachings that first enable you to experience Buddha Nature
(to see things as they really are in Vipassana-speak) and then to incorporate
that experience into your daily life.
These teachings usually do employ a meditation technique - zazen - which in
Japanese means
Merle,
As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist.
I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just because I
practice zen doesn't mean I don't feel pain, or have other delusions. What it
means is that (most of the time) I am not attached to those
question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and who
is the judge and jury to say that this has happened to one?
i think it might be a goal to work towards however individuals who achieve this
fully would be few and far between
already you complain of pain as a
Merle,
Seeing things as they really are is another way of saying Buddha Nature, at
least that's how I interpret it.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
 question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and
who is the
Dear Aham,
Zen is about letting our inner divine, labeled as Buddha Nature, to
shine through. Let it be our guide in our daily life. And the only way
that it may shine through depends on the purification of our physical,
mental and spiritual hindrances.
Because our inner divine, same as
hallo bill...so tell me why oh why is the classification referred to as zen
buddhism?... can you have zen without buddhist principles?... merle
Merle,
As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist.
I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just
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