[Zen] RE: Problems Accessing the Yahoo! Zen Forum

2013-10-09 Thread BillSmart
Good News! (Kind of...) I've been able to recreate the problem Audrey and Mookey reported. The Ooppss! Only a Moderator Can Do That response when entering the Home Page and clicking on CONVERSATIONS. I did it by creating a new test account for me that was not a Moderator. Now I just

[Zen] RE: Quantum Physics or Zen?

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
Well, thats kind of embarrassing. There was supposed to be a graphic in the message. It didnt show up and I dont know why...Bill! ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:Especially for Edgar..Bill!

[Zen] RE: Test for Graphic...

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
I dont... ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:This is a graphic...Do you see it? __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional

[Zen] RE: Test for Graphic...

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
Second Try...img src="">height=50 width=100Do you see it now? ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:I dont... ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:This is a graphic...Do you see it?

Re: [Zen] RE: Test for Graphic...

2013-10-01 Thread Edgar Owen
I see it only when I click on it... Edgar On Oct 1, 2013, at 6:12 AM, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Second Try... img src=https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1184838_10202240585519798_1292807694_n.jpg; height=50 width=100 Do you see it now?

[Zen] RE: File - Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
...and I couldnt open this file. Did anyone figure out how to do that? ...Bill! ---In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, zen_forum@yahoogroups.com wrote:File: Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf Description : Yahoo! Zen Forum Posting Policy __._,_.___

[Zen] Re: File - Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf

2013-10-01 Thread novelidea8
Greetings I do not have the ability to access the site, although I am getting emails. /\ zendervish

[Zen] RE: can#39;t see messages, only Bodhi Man

2013-09-27 Thread BillSmart
Salik et al...In the new format when you get to the Home Page you will see a banner across the top with Bohdidharmas face.Below that there is a row of choices, one of which is CONVERSATIONS. Thats where the posts are kept.When you click on that youll get a choice of TOPICS,

[Zen] RE: New Yahoo! Group Format

2013-09-24 Thread BillSmart
I saw my second posting. It only took a minute or so to post so the first one must have been my errorMore about this new Yahoo! Groups format later...Meanwhile KEEP POSTING (or trying to...). ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:I havent seen my last

[Zen] RE: Re: New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-23 Thread desert_woodworker
Bill!,Howdy, I use Firefox under Windows XP and Windows 8, on several machines.--Joe --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, zen_forum@yahoogroups.com wrote:Joe, What browser are you using? ...Bill! __._,_.___ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book

[Zen] Re: New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-20 Thread Bill!
All, So far I've only discovered I'm caught in a Catch-22 conundrum concerning my efforts to change the Kremlin photo on our new Yahoo Info Page. The problem is that I can only go to the URL and view the new page I am not signed-in; and when I am not signed-in I cannot use my awesome powers as

[Zen] RE: Re: New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-18 Thread desert_woodworker
Thanks for the very good specificity in your post, Bill! (!)When I use the URl you gave and put it in the command line of Firefox, I see, regrettably, theKremlin.And the URL in the command line of the browser at that time changes to, and

[Zen] Re: New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-18 Thread Bill!
Joe, What browser are you using? ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ *

[Zen] Re: New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-18 Thread Bill!
I see now - Firefox... --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: Joe, What browser are you using? ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups

[Zen] Re: New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-17 Thread Bill!
Joe, I'm trying to analyze the change to determine if I can change it back, or to something else. The problem I'm having is I don't see it when I come to the Zen Forum. I see the old view with the drawing of Bodhidharma. The only way I can get to see the new 'Kremlin' view is to log out of

[Zen] Re: New (unfortunate) Look, etc., of the Group Website

2013-09-17 Thread Bill!
Joe, et al... What do you see when you go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ ? Do you see the old Bodhidharma page or the new Kremlin one? If you see the new Kremlin one, what is the URL of your browser at that time? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@...

[Zen] Re: Egolessness -

2013-09-16 Thread Bill!
Merle, Probably not, but survival is not the goal or purpose of zen...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: is it possible to survive day to day in our present civilisation egoless?...merle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egolessness

[Zen] RE: Re: changed appearance and functionality

2013-09-12 Thread Bill!
Edgar, et al... This is very strange. When I view the Home Page using my regular browser I am taken to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/and it's the old Home Page. This page seems unchanged to me. When I view the Home Page using the a different

Re: [Zen] RE: Re: changed appearance and functionality

2013-09-12 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, I'm using Mac Safari browser. When I click on 'visit your group' at the bottom of a post I am taken to http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Zen_Forum/info with Kremlin photo. When I try to go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ I get page doesn't exist error. When I go to yahoo

Re: [Zen] RE: Re: changed appearance and functionality

2013-09-11 Thread Merle Lester
 hi joe..no rain, early spring..hot yesterday herald first fires... in this hawkesbury/ blue mountains area...cheers merle    Hi, Bill!, and thank you for the kind welcome. I don't see the usual Zen Forum masthead: I see a view of the onion-domes of the Kremlin, an image set to serve to

[Zen] Re: changed appearance and functionality

2013-09-10 Thread Bill!
Joe, Welcome back. Traffic on the forum has been slow and muted lately. Is that what you mean? ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group

Re: [Zen] Re: changed appearance and functionality

2013-09-10 Thread Merle Lester
 hi joe...merle   Joe, Welcome back. Traffic on the forum has been slow and muted lately. Is that what you mean? ...Bill! __

[Zen] Re: changed appearance and functionality

2013-09-10 Thread Bill!
Joe, When I go the the Yahoo! Zen Forum Home Page it looks the same to me. I did hear Yahoo! changed the font of it's logo. They showed the old and new on CNN and they are virtually the same. I think the new logo's font is a little thicker. Let me know if when you go to the Home Page it

[Zen] Re: Illusions

2013-09-10 Thread Bill!
Oops! Everything after the SECOND He's saying... --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: Here's a nice one posted especially for Edgar for two reasons: 1. to see if he's still around2. to get his comment. I generally like the message, but could do without everything

[Zen] Re: File - Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf

2013-09-01 Thread Bill!
All Members, I think this posting policy is automatically re-posted the first of every month. This posting is not an indication that there have been violations lately. It's also sent to every new member when they register. Just FYI...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,

[Zen] Re: Notice the log that is in your own eye?”

2013-08-30 Thread Bill!
Suresh, Temporarily halting what Tolle has described below as the incessant stream of involuntary and compulsive thinking and the emotions that accompany it is exactly what zen teaching and practice techniques such as zazen, chanting, bowing, koans, etc.., are employed to do. ...Bill! --- In

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-27 Thread Merle Lester
to believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-27 Thread Merle Lester
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 8:57:54 AM    because i can and it's fun!..i do not follow the norm mike..do you?..merle   Your definition

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-27 Thread larry maher
from Yahoo! Mail for iPad -- *From: *larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com; *To: *Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; *Subject: *Re: [Zen] Re: the human body *Sent: *Mon, Aug 26, 2013 11:08:10 PM I hate to quote the master but the Buddha said 'since there is no way to prove

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-27 Thread uerusuboyo
Merle,br/br/If you have no concrete, empirical evidence of a creator god then it's all just preconceived and presupposed. In other words - made up.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-27 Thread Merle Lester
that liberation and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 11:08:10 PM   I

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-27 Thread Kristopher Grey
Freeing the mind is a myth. What cannot be found, cannot be bound. The imagined mind, imagines itself otherwise. KG On 8/27/2013 1:53 AM, larry maher wrote: Totally fair to say. How can anyone 'free' his mind if he hangs onto preconceived ideas? On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM,

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread Merle Lester
 what was?...merle I thought it was a 60s flashback thing.. Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 9:42:54 AM   Merle, Did you

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread Merle Lester
: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 3:46:28 AM    mike ..you have missed the boat...( the point)... watch the brazilian tribe doc..then tell me there is no god...merle   Merle, Just because belief in a god gives comfort it doesn't make it true. Mike Sent from Yahoo

RE: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Merle,br/br/what the hell did you think god was?...br/br/I'm not sure, but does he wear the Welsh number 15 shirt and convert the winning kick against England last year?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Thing is tho, a belief in a deity *is* the norm. And is also 'painting legs on a snake' because it just isn't needed. Also, not sure how believing in a god is fun. Each to their own, I suppose.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread larry maher
merlewiit...@yahoo.com; * To: * Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; * Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the human body * Sent: * Mon, Aug 26, 2013 8:57:54 AM because i can and it's fun!..i do not follow the norm mike..do you?..merle Your definition is meaningless though

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Larry,br/br/I think it's fair to say that Buddhism respects the gods people may choose to believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread larry maher
of Buddhism that liberation and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad -- *From: *larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com; *To: *Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; *Subject: *Re: [Zen] Re: the human body *Sent: *Mon, Aug 26, 2013 11:08

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Kristopher Grey
Most people of such delusional persuasion also use 'creation' as a noun. KG On 8/25/2013 1:01 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without such a belief. Why

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread uerusuboyo
And a 6000 year old one, at that.br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Merle Lester
; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 1:31:32 AM     mike...it is the nature of the beast : human... to construct  weave and create.. we do not live by bread alone..you know that...merle   Merle They're

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Merle Lester
 delusional...huh?...wait till the sun goes down on you!! merle   Most people of such delusional persuasion also use 'creation' as a noun. KG On 8/25/2013 1:01 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most people

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread uerusuboyo
The creating and identifying of the ego as self is what creates suffering: the First Noble Truth.br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Merle Lester
@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 8:10:17 AM    yes... but we do it anyway..so let's have fun doing it..merle   Merle, The idea behind self-realisation to to stop the weaving and deconstruct. You should know that.. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Bill!
: Merle Lester merlewiitpom@...; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 3:46:28 AM    mike ..you have missed the boat...( the point)... watch the brazilian tribe doc..then tell me there is no god

RE: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread uerusuboyo
I thought it was a 60s flashback thing..br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Merle Lester
bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle   Merle, Did you just have a birthday or something? ...Bill! .

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Bill!
Merle, I was just wondering where you got all those emoticans you started using lately... --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle   Merle, Did you just have a birthday or something?

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-25 Thread Merle Lester
 bill...they are in yahoo ... ..merle   Merle, I was just wondering where you got all those emoticans you started using lately... --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle   Merle,

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread larry maher
Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to prove God and there is no way to not prove, so believe whatever works for you.' That's why I like Eastern thought, Hindu's cool also, just too many gimics and sideshows and people thinking dressing in white bathrobes helps

RE: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Bill!,br/br/Would you agree that you probably would never have experienced 'zen' without Siddharta Gotama's enlightenment and the spreading of the sutras? I agree that experiencing Buddha Nature is not intrinsically dependent on them, but it may as well be. Without Buddha's rediscovering of

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Larry,br/br/Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to create a Creator.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread larry maher
an unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to create a Creator. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad -- * From: * larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com; * To: * Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; * Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the human body * Sent: * Sat

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
for iPad From: larry maher lcmahe...@gmail.com; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:20:48 AM   Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to prove God

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:24:25 AM   Merle, Well, that all depends on what you mean by 'zen'. I've defined what I mean by zen (lower-case 'z') many, many times on this forum and elsewhere. A short version of that definition is: a set of teachings and techniques

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Bill!
Larry, Zen is not a religion and does not recognize a god. Buddhism is a religion, IMO, so you might be confusing the two: zen and Buddhism. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote: Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
 interesting bill..your streaks ahead in consciousness..merle   Mike, No and Yes... The no part is that I experienced Buddha Nature on my own before encountering zen. I'm sure we all have. When we were infants before our intellect was developed enough to create the delusion of

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Merlebr/br/They're both fictional constructs. But at least ego has some relative truth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Merle,br/br/Utility is no measure of Truth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] Re: buddha nature

2013-08-24 Thread billsmart
Merle, Zen Buddhism (Japanese), Ch'an Buddhism (Chinese) and Soen Buddhism (Korean) are all very similar and to the best of my knowledge (which is not that great in this area) share the same foundations and basic teachings. There are some differences though. JMJM on this forum is a Ch'an

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-24 Thread Kristopher Grey
Yes Merle, you could say acceptance is 'good' in certain circumstances, or that it is of use/value to the individual. That's the point. As such it remains a subtle form of attachment. I am not judging this, or suggesting it not be pursued. I am only pointing out the dual nature of

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Kristopher Grey
On 8/24/2013 2:27 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Larry, Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to create a Creator. Mike Even the need some feel to identify or creating a creator is an

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Kristopher Grey
And comfort is only sought when dis-eased. KG On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Merle, Utility is no measure of Truth. Mike

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like it!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread larry maher
I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well, to be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a few times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate. Thanks, Larry PS I've sort of belonged to a open internet group with a terrific

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
 mike..explain yourself please.. and KG not true...on a beautiful spring day one rejoices and gives thanks that one has eyes to see and ears to hear and a tongue to speak..merle   And comfort is only sought when dis-eased.  KG On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
  cynical mike..tut tut..shame on you..merle   God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like it! Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Re: [Zen] Re: buddha nature

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
 bill...thank you for the clarification... merle   Merle, Zen Buddhism (Japanese), Ch'an Buddhism (Chinese) and Soen Buddhism (Korean) are all very similar and to the best of my knowledge (which is not that great in this area) share the same foundations and basic teachings. There are some

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
 what is AYPsite.com? merle   I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well, to be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a few times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate.  Thanks, Larry PS I've sort of belonged to a

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:40:32 AM   mike excuse me...what's soul got to do with ego?..merle     Bill!, Would you agree that you probably

Re: [Zen] Re: buddha nature

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
 so self is no self but the other..hence we need to refresh our ideas and return to the garden of eden... the brazilian rainforest tribe eh?..merle   Merle, You can read more about what I think about this at: http://www.billsmart.com/writing/zen/self/self.htm ...Bill!

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Merle,br/br/Just because belief in a god gives comfort it doesn't make it true. br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
But they're both so comforting!br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Merle,br/br/The idea behind self-realisation to to stop the weaving and deconstruct. You should know that..br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread Merle Lester
merlewiit...@yahoo.com; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 1:23:16 AM    mike..explain yourself please.. and KG not true...on a beautiful spring day one rejoices and gives thanks that one has eyes

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-24 Thread uerusuboyo
Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without such a belief. Why paint legs on a snake?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-23 Thread Bill!
Merle, Yes. IMO zen is not an exclusive subset or sect of Buddhism. Buddhism is a religion has does have many, many lists of principles, dogma, doctrines, rituals, precepts, vows, etc... All these IMO have nothing directly to do with zen, but in the case of Zen Buddhism are like an add-on

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-23 Thread Bill!
Merle, The experience of a toothache is not a delusion. It is real. It is in fact a characteristic of Buddha Nature. Classifying the experience as 'pain' and judging it to be 'bad' is the delusion. More generally put, experience is real. Classifying and judging are perceptions and products

[Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-23 Thread reconceiving1942
Bill, o.k. I at first will investigate before i write ove rmy experiences. aham --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote: Aham, IMO zen is a set of teachings that first enable you to experience Buddha Nature (to see things as they really are in Vipassana-speak) and

[Zen] Re: Zen - Introduction to zen practice / full version - Taigen Shodo Harada Roshi - YouTube

2013-08-23 Thread reconceiving1942
Merle, thanks. aham --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: for the new member..welcome aham... cheers merle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL2XUTeoUsM Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently

[Zen] Re: Fw: Zen Mountain Monastery: Dharma Discourses by Daido Roshi

2013-08-23 Thread reconceiving1942
Merle, thnaks. aham --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: aham.. check this out...cheers merle http://mro.org/zmm/teachings/discourses.php Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or

[Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-23 Thread reconceiving1942
JM, as a principle I agree. Aham --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, 覺妙精明 (JMJM) chan.jmjm@... wrote: Dear Aham, Zen is about letting our inner divine, labeled as Buddha Nature, to shine through. Let it be our guide in our daily life. And the only way that it may shine

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-23 Thread Kristopher Grey
On 8/22/2013 5:12 AM, Merle Lester wrote: ..when in reality it is a matter of acceptance merle Acceptance, of anything, is rejection of change. KG

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-23 Thread larry maher
Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is? The one with the 45 yrs of meditation. I won't bother anyone, am just trying to figure this out. Thank you Larry On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:53 PM,

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-23 Thread Edgar Owen
Larry, Bill and me, Edgar, are co-moderators of the group... Edgar On Aug 23, 2013, at 12:32 PM, larry maher wrote: Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is? The one with the 45

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-23 Thread Bill!
Larry, The Zen Forum has no 'head' or 'leader', but does have two co-moderators who might be considered that for administrative purposes. They are Edgar and me (Bill!). The forum 'owner' is Al, but he is no longer active and very rarely posts. I am a 67-year old US citizen who lives in

[Zen] Re: clarification

2013-08-23 Thread Bill!
Merle, The 'rule of thumb' is that you should not beat your wife with a stick that is thicker than your thumb. That is an old English law and the origin of the term 'rule of thumb'. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:   meaning what

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-23 Thread Merle Lester
   from what i gather you would not have zen if you did not have buddhism..correct me if i am incorrect..merle   Merle, Yes. IMO zen is not an exclusive subset or sect of Buddhism. Buddhism is a religion has does have many, many lists of principles, dogma, doctrines, rituals, precepts,

Re: [Zen] Re: clarification

2013-08-23 Thread Merle Lester
 bill...the idea of beating at all is disgusting..merle   Merle, The 'rule of thumb' is that you should not beat your wife with a stick that is thicker than your thumb. That is an old English law and the origin of the term 'rule of thumb'. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle   Merle, I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain as a judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and maybe even think Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain?

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Merle, Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as I do. Someone ELSE! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill...not why

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 bill...acceptance is the key...what sort odf a zen buddhist are you?..merle   Merle, Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as I do. Someone ELSE! ...Bill! --- In

[Zen] Re: Zen - Introduction to zen practice / full version - Taigen Shodo Harada Roshi - YouTube

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
for the new member..welcome aham... cheers merle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL2XUTeoUsM

[Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Aham, IMO zen is a set of teachings that first enable you to experience Buddha Nature (to see things as they really are in Vipassana-speak) and then to incorporate that experience into your daily life. These teachings usually do employ a meditation technique - zazen - which in Japanese means

[Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Merle, As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist. I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just because I practice zen doesn't mean I don't feel pain, or have other delusions. What it means is that (most of the time) I am not attached to those

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
   question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and who is the judge and jury to say that this has happened to one? i think it might be a goal to work towards however individuals who achieve this fully would be few and far  between  already you complain of pain as a

[Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread Bill!
Merle, Seeing things as they really are is another way of saying Buddha Nature, at least that's how I interpret it. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:    question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and who is the

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

2013-08-22 Thread 覺妙精明 (JMJM)
Dear Aham, Zen is about letting our inner divine, labeled as Buddha Nature, to shine through. Let it be our guide in our daily life. And the only way that it may shine through depends on the purification of our physical, mental and spiritual hindrances. Because our inner divine, same as

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-22 Thread Merle Lester
 hallo bill...so tell me why oh why is the classification referred to as zen buddhism?... can you have zen without buddhist principles?... merle   Merle, As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist. I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just

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