Hello Margie,
We can learn a lot from dogs. Our spouses and children don't come racing to
the door to greet us when we get home. Dogs have unconditional love and
they will forgive you and forget about all the negatives like accidently
stepping on their tail. Dogs don't ever say good bye
Hi Chuck,
Hahahaha! That was a good one.
JODY
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Jody,
Arf! wag, wag, wag!
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
Hello Margie,
We can learn a lot from dogs. Our spouses and children don't come
racing to
the door to greet us when we get home. Dogs have unconditional love
and
they will forgive you and forget about
Hello Edgar,
Is whoof, whoof whoof anything li,e moo, moo, mu?
JODY
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Bow Wow!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Morning Margie,
Well that answers the koan 'does a dog have Buddha nature?' What
doesn't?
:-)
Edgar
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently
Hi Mike-
Yes :-) And perhaps animals don't need to be mindful in the same way
that we do...
Margie (roloro1557)
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Hi Margie,
That's exactly how I see it too. I think you can no more get rid
of desires/aversions than you
Hi margie and all,
I think my dog lives in the moment better then I do. she will sit and just
be there without a past or a future, she just notices everything that is
happening right now.
JODY
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Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Mayka-
Morals are just a set of arbitrary rules imposed by society,
culture,
religion, etc. They are meaningless. They are empty concepts. And
they
differ hugely from culture to culture. This creates nothing but
endless arguments about whose morals
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Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 16:51:30
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
I also define moral as a code of conduct. It was that explained in a
post to Jack Master. There must have been an linguistic error here
from my side. And so I'll try again to explain
Margie,
I fully agree. But it is easier said than done.
regards,
Anthony
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Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:27 AM
Hello Anthony-
I
in the fish market..
Regards,
Anthony
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From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 9:18 AM
Excuse me Anthony, but how do you know Bill has something
peace and avoid turmoil':
Mu!
...Bill!
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Hi Margie,
Then find me
Anthony,
I am as deep as a mirror...Bill!
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Wu
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Margie,
I am poor at knowing other peoples experience
the nderf, then tell me they
are all bullshiting.
Regards,
Anthony
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From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 7:37 PM
Anthony and Margie
Anthony and Margie,
Anthony, would it help if you knew that the great all loving all
powerful mother of the universe has you in her arms loving you at
every moment including right now?
She does. It's called being alive in her arms You just simply
need to experience it. And
formal
code of conduct or morals.
Hope this helps...Bill!
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On Behalf
Of roloro1557
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:44 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Mayka-
Morals are just a set of arbitrary rules imposed
Margie and Anthony,
Margie is correct. There are no such comparisons in Zen, no black
belt rankings. Zen is not something 'in' a person, or that a person
can 'have'. Zen is simply the way the entire universe actually is.
It's just a matter of looking and seeing and dancing in tune with the
: Aging and Zen
Hi Margie,
Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain
peace and avoid turmoil'.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
correct position. For
example, is killing a healthy newborn child moral or immoral? Mike.
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 23:18:51
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hello Mike;
What are you doing?
Moral Values
Morning Margie,
Well that answers the koan 'does a dog have Buddha nature?' What
doesn't?
:-)
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:30 AM, roloro1557 wrote:
Morning Edgar,
Not only that, but I see people doing zen (or getting done by zen) all
the time who are obviously not zennists. Watch a
Hi Edgar,
Does a cow have Buddha nature?
Mike.
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Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Morning Margie,
Well that answers the koan 'does a dog have Buddha nature
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Margie,
I am poor at knowing other peoples experience. But Bill's words
sounds like the zen literature I read--to be ruminated. I don't
have to curry favor with him. I don't want to err on the wrong side
either. To be on the safe side, I
Hi Margie,
Hmm, I can appreciate the sentiment but I can't really agree that Animals are
eloquent zennists. We may often observe animals appearing to 'be in the
moment', but zen is also about how to live and die mindfully. For instance, we
can also observe animals cowering fearfully from
Muuu!
:-)
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:21 PM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
Does a cow have Buddha nature?
Mike.
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Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Well, M! works better, but you got the idea! An oldie but a goodie (the
joke, that is..).
Mike :)
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Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 2:07:34
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Muuu
From: Mayka flordeloto@ ...
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 16:51:30
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
I also define moral as a code of conduct. It was that explained
in
a
post to Jack Master. There must have been an linguistic error
here
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Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 23:18:51
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hello Mike;
What are you doing?
Moral Values are not exactly the same as moralistic values. It
seems
to me that the only who understood that were the gays from Yale
Correction: there is a mirror, but no dust to wipe.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 12:24 AM
Bill,
There is no mirror
Hi Anthony-
Yes, going by his posts here in the forum, Bill is wise and smart and
fair. I like Bill too, he's a marvelous cook wink
I was trying to get you to look into your assumptions about yourself
and other people. . .
Margie (roloro1557)
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www.nderf.org
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 1:16 AM
Anthony,
Give me the nderf link again and I'll take
Hi Anthony-
I think the best way is to concentrate on what's happening right here,
right now.
Margie (roloro1557)
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Edgar and Margie,
I am fine at this moment, not really suffering a lot. Meanwhile I am
scared by stories
,
Anthony
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From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 6:54 AM
Hi Anthony-
I think the best way is to concentrate on what's happening right here,
right
Hi Anthony,
I'm not offended. But you are like a dog chasing it's own tail. The
discussion is beginning to wear me out.
You keep asking the same questions over and over again. You are not
satisfied with any of the answers you get and at the same time seem
unwilling to find your own answers.
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Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hi Mike-
R.H. Blyth: Zen does not mean not fearing; it means not fearing to fear.
I think your understanding is more colored by Buddhism than mine.
Which is wonderful and fine
,
Anthony
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 1:16 AM
Anthony,
Give me the nderf link again and I'll take a look.
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:19
Hi Margie,
Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in
peace without any kind of morality.
Regards,
Anthony
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From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum
Hello Anthony-
How does morality contribute to peace? Look into history, and ask
yourself, how does morality contribute to peace? Isn't the result
exactly the opposite? Morality creates turmoil because then people
start arguing about which morality should be the rule. Wars have
been fought over
'just it'. Or Buddha nature, which not everybody follows. You can say
everybody has Buddha nature, but when it comes to performance, the opposite is
frequently true.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re
,
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By morality I mean in general whatever can give us peace. My
English is not good enough to differentiate between morality and
moralistic.
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Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hi Mayka-
By morals and morality I mean an imposed set of definitions of right
and wrong and correlative rules for human behavior. Examples would be
the christian 10 commandments, the buddhist precepts, etc.
Moralistic is of morals or morality.
Margie (roloro1557)
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to say anything, then
I agree to keep silent.
Regards,
Anthony
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From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:03 AM
Hi anthony;
I can understand your troubles
Hi Margie,
Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and
avoid turmoil'.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hi Margie,
Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in
peace without any kind of morality.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re
Bill,
Like I said, you have something deeper.
Regards,
Anthony
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:15 AM
Anthony
] Re: Aging and Zen
Hi Margie,
Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and
avoid turmoil'.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum
Hi Margie!
If this is yor way of understandign no wonder you feel so rebelious
about morals and morality!. I would react in the same way as you!
-- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mayka-
By morals and morality I mean an imposed set of definitions of
Hi Margie again;
I thought you already explained!:
By morals and morality I mean an imposed set of definitions of
right
and wrong and correlative rules for human behavior. Examples
would
be
the christian 10 commandments, the buddhist precepts, etc.
Moralistic is of morals or
Excuse me Anthony, but how do you know Bill has something deeper?
Deeper than whom? Me? You? Edgar? Ghandi? Sean Connery? Alan
Greenspan? Bill Gates? Martin Luther King? Your next door neighbor?
The woman in the 3rd stall at the fish market? My dog?
How is it that you know so well what other
Margie;
You may be right and wonder if there might be a linguistic or insight
proble here.
I'd rather not to repeat mysel again and the word of moral was
already explained previously in a post to Jackson Master in my way of
understanding. Moral is a latin word by the way which derives from
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Hi Margie,
Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain
peace and avoid turmoil'.
Regards
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Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:07 AM
Hi Mayka-
By morals and morality I mean an imposed set of definitions of right
and wrong and correlative rules for human behavior. Examples would
be
the christian
Mayka-
Morals are just a set of arbitrary rules imposed by society, culture,
religion, etc. They are meaningless. They are empty concepts. And they
differ hugely from culture to culture. This creates nothing but
endless arguments about whose morals are right and whose are wrong.
Real morality
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 11:25 AM
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Most Atheists who are evil ego-maniacs are men.
Really? Please name some of them for me. Was that a scientific
Chris,
I am a non-atheist that is also an ego-maniac. I hesitate to add a
qualification of 'evil'.
Regards,
Anthony
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From: cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 8 October
[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you need a purpose to guide your actions, or you
need a promise of reward or threat of retribution to convince you not
to kill, burn, steal, or rape, try Christianity or one of the many
other religions that provide you with an external daddy that will tell
you what to do
Mac A. Roni, I'll respond to your recent post line by line, but first I want
to make sure we're both talking about the same thing when we talk about the
ability to determine right from wrong. It appears you use the term
'morality' for that, and so do I. I define 'morality' the same way it is
Hi Al,
For me zen does give me everything I want. Most definitely I don't
want to die sitting on a cushion - I want to die with my boots on as
the old saying goes. I don't believe in heaven or nirvana, anyway even
if I did I would not want to go to heaven or nirvana unless everyone
and all life
Zen is to be Free from Want! Who is willing to die, where ever they
are? If you truly experience your being, at one with the NOW,
your Heaven is here. You can't worry about what will happen after
you die, because who REALLY knows?
Later,
Chris
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