[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-25 Thread Bill!
ED, I looked at the book, at at page 343 as you suggested. It's just unbeleiveable to me that someone could think they could say anything relevant about zen in 550+ page book. Zen is so simple and uncomplicated I just don't know how anyone could squeeze that many words out of it - or any

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-25 Thread ED
Bill - Never underestimate the creativity and power of the discursve mind! It keeps millions of Internet groups and hundreds of millions of posters occupied and happy. This is what distinguishes our culture as being 'civilized'. --ED ;-) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill!

Re: [Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Dr. Austin's work is of more interest to the person seeking a scientific understanding of the brain than to a person seeking to experience Zen training for themselves. Though, Bill, I'm sure if we wrote all of your interesting and helpful posts on this forum together into one piece, it would be

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-24 Thread Bill!
Ha! Ha! Ha! That's the best one I've hear in a long time: ...I get the impression that there are five principal categories of 'oneness' Ha! Ha! Ha! (or maybe it should be Ho! Ho! Ho! in honor of Christmas!) ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote:

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-24 Thread ED
Bill, be happy, don't worry, we are all ONE![:p]--ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! billsm...@... wrote: Ha! Ha! Ha! That's the best one I've hear in a long time: ...I get the impression that there are five principal categories of 'oneness' Ha! Ha! Ha! (or maybe it

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-23 Thread Mel
MEL: Hi there Bill, ED, and all BILL: That sounds a lot like what a great bodhisattva is reported to have taught: Matthew 6:2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-23 Thread Bill!
ED, You might have values and objectives, but you should not be attached to your (or anyone else's) values or objectives. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: Mel and Bill, What a person says or does is a function of his or her conscious or

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-23 Thread Bill!
Amen! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: Or, take your pick: 'Imagine' or 'Just THIS.' --- Imagine Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-23 Thread ED
Bill, Why *should* I not? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! billsm...@... wrote: ED, You might have values and objectives, but you should not be attached to your (or anyone else's) values or objectives. ...Bill! Mel and Bill, What a person says or does is a function

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-23 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel gunnar19632...@... wrote: MEL: Hi there Bill, ED, and all BILL: That sounds a lot like what a great bodhisattva is reported to have taught: Matthew 6:2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-23 Thread ED
Yesterday, I checked on 'oneness' in James Austin's: 'Zen-Mind Reflections'. The subject appears to be quite complex, with pages 333 to 357 and much, much more devoted to it - all a bit over my head. I get the impression that there are five principal categories of 'oneness', and that these

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Mel
How about doing good, and then moving onto other matters without dwelling on thoughts of having done such and such acts of goodness, whatever it is/was? I personally would even go so far as to forget about entirely all that ensuing 'feel good' moment, after having committed whatever act(s) of

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Bill!
Mel, That sounds a lot like what a great bodhisattva is reported to have taught: Matthew 6:2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread ED
Or, take your pick: 'Imagine' or 'Just THIS.' --- Imagine Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the

Re: [Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Indeed. The world is one. It is we, who wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't.:'( Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 12/22/2010 10:45 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: The world is already one. With countries and peopleb that do not

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread ED
JMJM, one what? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: Indeed. The world is one.

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-22 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Ed, Chan in Chinese is 禪。 The Japanese pronounce the same character zen. In Chinese, the left half of the character means spirit as well as body. The right half of the character means Singular. Chan means the universe as a whole, including the visible and the invisible, the static and

[Zen] Re: Liberation II

2010-12-21 Thread Bill!
Hey! Isn't this post just a paraphrasing of John Lennon's lyrics to 'Imagine'? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@... wrote: Good morning All, What if we could expand our fulfilling of every moment beyond spouse, and willfully deliver,