hippy hippy shake..joe..merle
Mike, Merle,
A shedding of dirty clothes, the Old Man used to say; even down to your
socks.
He talked about awakening as being nakedness. Having nothing. Wu (Chin.).
Mu (Japanese). How true.
But, no embarrassment! This is original Human nakedness.
Merle, br/br/I think you might need a certain amount of faith when you
first read this, but only if you haven't experienced it. What you'll find from
a diligent practice of meditation is that awakening is a process of stripping
down (losing attachments, dropping ideas and concepts of 'self'
Mike, Merle,
A shedding of dirty clothes, the Old Man used to say; even down to your
socks.
He talked about awakening as being nakedness. Having nothing. Wu (Chin.).
Mu (Japanese). How true.
But, no embarrassment! This is original Human nakedness. Our original
inheritance.
And, no one
joe..rubbish he went to india... he was 36 was he not when he was crucified?..
you should know all his life story as you were once a catholic..
what the hell do you mean by no mind?..no mind then you would be brain dead...
it's not reinventing the wheel..
it's evolution... who wants to
Merle,
I'll stay out of the discussions about Jesus' itineraries, but I THINK my 'One
Mind' Joe means what I mean when I say 'integration of Buddha Nature and the
Human Intellect, and by 'No Mind' Joe means just Buddha Nature...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
Merle!!br/br/I know very little about Christianity, but even I've heard
that there is very little known about his life from the age of 12 to when he
entered Jerusalem. The Silk Route was a well travelled journey by many at that
time is there is reasonable speculation he 'may' have gone
Merle,
See?, even the basic murmurings of the Zen sect, you are unaware of.
Why does it all come as a surprise to you, after so long a time?
The Zen you've been looking into for decades rings pretty hollow.
There is no mind.
What you call mind is your SENSATION of illusions. When we are
joe...why are you picking on me...how do you know i was not testing you?..i
can see you get worked up into a sweat..when really your answer would have been
more simple..you tell me i now know nothing about zen..so...how do you really
know what i have ben looking for?...do you know for sure
Merle,
Don't bother continuing this.
Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything
depends on that.
--Joe
PS I pick on you because you are my Cousin, Cousin. Because you did not know
that No-Mind is the hallmark of realized Zennists. That is inexcusable, ...to
Merle,
If you are asking about the general you, then here is the procedure:
you consult your teacher, or a teacher.
A teacher knows all the signs, and cannot be fooled. A teacher can also tell
you how to proceed, to deepen and take care of your realization. It is a
long-term process.
A Zen
i see joe...
is that what YOU were taught?..the wine- cellar scenario?
there are teachers and teachers... and more teachers..
again i ask who is the teacher and who is the student?
did not many a musical genius start his career in the basement to climb to the
top of the dizzy heights?
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the basement. We are below the foundation of all
things.
It's a good place. It is the ground of our Humanity, and of all beings, and
all things. There is nothing dizzying (nor
dear joe..i like the basement ..i like the wine cellar however can it be
called the pit?... merle
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the basement. We are below the foundation of all
things.
It's a good place.
Merle,
If it is the pit, there are no vipers there.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
dear joe..i like the basement ..i like the wine cellar however can it be
called the pit?... merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you
joe..well thank christ for that!..hey joe..how come christ he was
enlightened..we all agree..he had no teacher...merle
Merle,
If it is the pit, there are no vipers there.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
dear joe..i like the basement ..i like the wine cellar however can it
Merle and Joe,
Here is some 'Cartoon Zen' that supports Joe's point below:
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe wrote:
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the basement. We are below the foundation
of
perfect...thank you bill...merle
Merle and Joe,
Here is some 'Cartoon Zen' that supports Joe's point below:
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe wrote:
Dear Merle,
Our practice does not result in an acquirement. It results in a loss.
When we lose all, we are in the
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Bullshit! (cause and effect). and Give me a break (no soul). Which is it to
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perfect...thank you bill...merle
Merle and Joe,
Here is some 'Cartoon Zen' that supports Joe's point below:
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Merle,
We don't know which teachers or how many teachers Jesus had.
Some claim he'd been to India (and back).
We also don't really know what his state of mind was: had he stopped at One
Mind?, or had he gone further, to No Mind (Zen Mind)? We don't know.
Scriptures also are divergent about
buddha nature bill... you say no god then you say buddha nature..please
clarify..thanks ... merle
Merle,
Good question...
The terms 'zen' and 'atheism' are not the same classes of things.
My current working definition of 'zen' (not Zen Buddhism) is: Zen is a human
practice that assists
you betcha bill..enlightenment as is karma and buddha nature..they are all
mis - used... as is all that human beings think or feel or do
there is the original then it becomes the chinese whisper game..
of course we could run to the dictionary..
however joe blow in the street..does not
Merle,
Another good question.
Here is my working definition of 'Buddha Nature': Buddha Nature is a quality
of all sentient beings. It is pure, unadulterated, holistic awareness of
sensual experience. In other words it's just sight, sound, smell, taste
and/or touch BEFORE you intellectualize
the greeks and romans had gods...they were not wise nor good...so what
definition of god do you hold to, bill?...merle
Merle,
Another good question.
Here is my working definition of 'Buddha Nature': Buddha Nature is a quality
of all sentient beings. It is pure, unadulterated, holistic
Merle,
'God' is a mental concept, an invention of the human intellect. That makes
it(he/she) an illusion in my book.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 the greeks and romans had gods...they were not wise nor good...so what
definition of
bill..i see so you are an atheist?..
then you tell me there is buddha nature..again i ask what does this mean?...
how does jesus christ fit into the scheme of things?...was he perfection of
buddha nature?..
and if so...
he says he was the son of god
then was he deluded?
how come the
bill
are we not god's handiwork?...then god is not separate... god runs in your
veins and is part and parcel of who you are...as you say buddha nature..
how would you speak to christ if he was on this forum...
what would you say: there is no god?..was christ insane when he said he was the
Merle,
Lots of questions! I've embedded my responses below:
 bill..i see so you are an atheist?..
Yes.
 then you tell me there is buddha nature..again i ask what does this mean?...
And I tell you again: Buddha Nature is a quality of all sentient beings. It
is pure, unadulterated,
Merle,
And yet more questions...As usual my responses are embedded below:
 are we not god's handiwork?
No, we are not all god's handiwork because there is no god.
...then god is not separate... god runs in your veins and is part and parcel
of who you are...as you say buddha nature..
If
Merle,
quoting:
question:...what is the difference between zen and atheism?
Atheism does not exist; Zen does.
quoting:
is enlightenment merely an illusion? or perhaps even a delusion?
Not to those who have experienced it. But they must continue to practice in
order to remain awake, and for
joe..question : how do you absolutely... for sure know you reached the
pinnacle of awakening?
you might have reached a certain point..however need to go further and deeper
and longer...
merle
Merle,
quoting:
question:...what is the difference between zen and atheism?
Atheism does
Merle,
Good question...
The terms 'zen' and 'atheism' are not the same classes of things.
My current working definition of 'zen' (not Zen Buddhism) is: Zen is a human
practice that assists in balancing the interplay between Human Nature and
Buddha Nature. It does so by employing a variety
good on ya cousin joe..love ya..merle
We're WITH ya!, dear sister.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
meaning?,,,merle
Preaching to the choir, Merle, and perching on our same branch.
--Joe
Such has happened . remember the Kosovo war ? The leader of the
ethnic albanian - a big lie - Kosovo liberation army, promoted by US
administration, Hakim Thaci, was said by Serbian propaganda to have killed
hundreds of Serbs native to Kosovo while extracting vital organs
such as kidneys and
Preaching to the choir, Merle, and perching on our same branch.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
it was murdered for the body parts...it is illegal..
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
what would you do:
if you were waiting on operating table for a heart transplant
..and you were offered an illegal body part from africa..
What would you do?
where it is big business to kill people and trade in body
Joe,
The reason why is to be found in Evolutionary Psychology.
- ED
PS: Definition: Evolutionary psychology (EP) explains psychological
traitssuch as memory, perception, or languageas adaptations,
that is, as the functional products of natural selection or sexual
selection. ...
Joe's Buddhist master seems to:
http://dharmaflower.net/_collection/dharmawheel.pdf
This can all be said in shorter simpler ways, but then it offers less to
grasp. ;)
K
On 7/16/2012 1:13 PM, ED wrote:
Buddhists repeat this statement over and over again, but do they
understand *why*
Fascinating!, Ed. Thank you very kindly for bringing this in. I'll look into
it.
A few years ago (22, already?) I was fascinated and challenged by a
controversial book of Julian Jaynes, THE ORIGIN OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE
BREAKDOWN OF THE BICAMERAL MIND (1976). Does that book touch on EP, to
If I were, I could afford a proofreader! *L* Always a bit wabi-sabi
these quick reflections...
On 7/16/2012 2:29 PM, Joe wrote:
Kris,
I knew all along that you had to be an Attorney. ;-)
--Joe
PS Saying what you say below, I know you'll like Bierce's definition
of Gravitation (I take his
Ed,
Here I am responding to my own post, but I said I would. ;-)
Well, I had that one wrong. Of course this was not one of the questions Buddha
remained mute on.
By the way, those four questions, and the several variations on them within
each question, making fourteen questions in all, are
don't you care ed?
do you realize people are getting mutilated as we speak for their body parts?
and fat westerners and other fat over stuffed folk with plenty of loot will
taken them... what would i do?
i have no money for starters...it is illegal in aust.
..but elsewhere in the world
good one joe...! merle
Buddhists repeat this statement over and over again, but do they
understand *why* this is the case?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Ignorance, Hatred, and Greed rise endlessly. We don't need to go far
outside our skin to
meaning?,,,merle
Preaching to the choir, Merle, and perching on our same branch.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
it was murdered for the body parts...it is illegal..
We're WITH ya!, dear sister.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
meaning?,,,merle
Preaching to the choir, Merle, and perching on our same branch.
--Joe
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading!
Dear Jody;
Living in the Here and the Now is one of the core teachings in all Zen
traditions. Craving and ambition are considered causes os suffering.
But saying this is not enough and you'll need to experience that by
yourself. No teaching can be learnt unless there is an insight
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