[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-18 Thread ED
Hi siska - Occasionally, I like to clarify a situation for myself and express it as completely yet simply as I can. The contents of the first post is the work of everyone in this group over the past few weeks, and especially Bill; and with the assistance of the ever-handy polymath, Wikipedia

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-17 Thread siska_cen
2010 15:36:24 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts Mel, Bill and All - Thank you for your responses. I have a need to be very clear on these issues. Therefore please consider the following, and tell us whether we are all

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-17 Thread Mel
Hello all Each and every individual is different, and has to find his/her own way of doing things in life. ED, for me personally, I don't make use of stages. To me, there's only stage 1 in peace Mel Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-16 Thread Bill!
ED, In domestic arts (washing dishes/taking out the garbage) shikantaza is my favoite...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, gunnar19632000 gunnar19632...@... wrote: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@ wrote: Hello Mel, Hello ED In the martial arts (and in

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-15 Thread ED
Hello Mel, In the martial arts (and in sports), which type of meditation is more common (1) Awareness meditation (vipassana or shikantaza or something else) (2) Concentration meditation (samatha or somethhing else) ? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, gunnar19632000

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-15 Thread gunnar19632000
Hi Bill That is what I also see as a 'zenful' life..so to speak. In this situation we have a kitchen sink. How deep is that sink? Is the water running hot, or cold? How much water had gone in? Have glasses and other potentially sharp objects/items been left in the bottom? Perhaps there's a

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-15 Thread gunnar19632000
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: Hello Mel, Hello ED In the martial arts (and in sports), which type of meditation is more common (1) Awareness meditation (vipassana or shikantaza or something else) My understanding of 'shikantaza' is just plain zazen. I

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-14 Thread gunnar19632000
Hello I don't know about anybody else here, but I'd just like to say that meditation in silence and the practise of a martial art(any one) go quite well together. With my health issues, I'm not really able to attend regular karate classes anymore but I do continue to practise on my own with

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-14 Thread Bill!
Mel, I like to practice zen while washing my dishes or taking out the garabage, however unlike you I'm usually pretty verbose. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, gunnar19632000 gunnar19632...@... wrote: Hello I don't know about anybody else here, but I'd just like to say that

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-14 Thread ED
Bill, You mean 'practice mindfulness'? After all, practicing mindfulness was underscored in Theravadin Buddhism (much before Chan and Zen.) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! billsm...@... wrote: Mel, I like to practice zen while washing my dishes or taking out the garabage,

[Zen] Re: Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-14 Thread Bill!
The differences are probably just semantical. As a term 'mindfulness' to me doesn't necessarily imply 'no-self' (no dualism). The term 'zen' to me does. ...and the practice of both mindfulness and zen (as defined above) existed long before Hinayana Buddhism or any kind of Buddhism. ...Bill!