Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2011-09-11 Thread pandabananasock
Bill!, It's been over three years. Did you forget again? ~Panda --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, BillSmart@... wrote: Panda, Sorry! I did forget. I'll start digging today! .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2011-09-11 Thread Bill!
Pandabananasock, Okay, okay...I'll look for it again. Sorry for the delay...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock pandabananasock@... wrote: Bill!, It's been over three years. Did you forget again? ~Panda --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, BillSmart@ wrote:

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-25 Thread Al
: mike brown Bill and Chuck,Wash your bowls is as good as any non-logical statement, I guess I thought it was wash your balls, since the old Roshi's often went months without bathing and relied on the trusty washbowl for sponging themselves. Though I guess they would probably want to wash the

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-10 Thread mike brown
Bill and Chuck, Wash your bowls is as good as any non-logical statement, I guess. However, `ordinary mind is the Way` seems to allow for logic to be used as a means to showing the Truth. Furthermore, the gates to the Dharma are countless which also seems to imply that nothing (including

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-08 Thread BillSmart
: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:07 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Chuck, I assume you’re asking if Logic is dependent upon the belief in Cause Effect. This is a Good question

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-08 Thread BillSmart
is: Wash your bowls! Chuck …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:07 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Chuck, I assume you’re asking if Logic is dependent upon

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-07 Thread Charlie
Jody W. Ianuzzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A chair is just a chair. JODY JODY is just JODY Have I been smoking the wacky tabacky again? Maybe I had some of the meds from the kids. I take their meds sometimes. They look the same to me whether or not they take their meds. Mostly stuff to calm

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-07 Thread Chuck Gierhart
Bill, Does that include this logic? From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:33 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill *** After a Good Night’s Sleep I’ve Revised this Posting in Green

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-07 Thread BillSmart
is the real culprit here. It is the basis for the illusion of Self and everything else that follows. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Gierhart Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:39 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-07 Thread Chuck Gierhart
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:07 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Chuck, I assume you’re asking if Logic is dependent upon the belief in Cause Effect. This is a Good question, and one which addresses

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-06 Thread Al
From: Chuck GierhartYou ask, Isn't the belief in no intelligent higher power also a religion? I can only say that not believing in something for which there is no evidence is not religion. Believing that everything happened purely by accident is as much a faith as anything else.

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-06 Thread Al
From: Chuck Gierhart Evolution is not an act of faith. It is an act of observation. It's story is told in the fossil record and your RNA and DNA. The head of the Human Genome Project is a devout Christian and true believer in stem cell research. by David Ewing Duncan (published online February 20,

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-06 Thread BillSmart
breathes. If so, his teacup should be empty by now. Al, cut up your Master Card! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Gierhart Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:47 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Al, Again

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread BillSmart
Al, I know there is a danger looking at zen as a completely loose, 'roll you own', no rules type of practice. That's not exactly what I'm advocating, although I can certainly see where someone could think that. My comments to your very important post are imbedded below: One of the

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread mike brown
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 7:15:53 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill From: mike brown to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So there. Which is exactly what a belief in God means. You are saying

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread Chuck Gierhart
is a loaded question. The question itself implies that a supreme being create them for a purpose. Chuck From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike brown Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:01 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill Even

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread Al
From: Chuck Gierhart When you ask this question about a blade of grass, the Pacific Ocean or a rock, no answer is possible. You can describe how these things interact with their environment or the benefit we derive from them but thatâ?Ts not the same as a purpose. To ask what purpose these things

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread Chuck Gierhart
Of Al Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:58 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill From: Chuck Gierhart When you ask this question about a blade of grass, the Pacific Ocean or a rock, no answer is possible. You can describe how these things interact with their environment

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread mike brown
Chuck, True, but is the purpose of a chair inherent in object itself or is it given? A chair to an Amazonian pygmy would have a different purpose than it would to you or I. All objects/phenonema are empty of meaning. I think the `water pitcher` koan demonstrates this well. Mike.

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-05 Thread Chuck Gierhart
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill Chuck, True, but is the purpose of a chair inherent in object itself or is it given? A chair to an Amazonian pygmy would have a different purpose than it would to you or I. All objects/phenonema are empty of meaning. I think the `water pitcher

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-04 Thread BillSmart
not have the illusion of karma. .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Gierhart Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:01 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Bill, Is it the case that enlightened beings do not have a self

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-04 Thread BillSmart
Al, This is my theory. (We don't need no stinkin' badges!) .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:26 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] self is an illusion (maya

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-04 Thread Al
-From: BillSmart@ This is my theory. Dear Bill, One of the problems that I have had had with Christianity is that every minister has their own theory, and they claim everyone else is going to hell. At least the Catholics usually stick to one dogma, but I find the services to meaningless.

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-04 Thread BillSmart
subject to karma such as drinking alcohol or eating meat which are prohibited in most Buddhist sects. .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:26 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill From: [EMAIL

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-03 Thread BillSmart
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Gierhart Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:25 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Bill, Regarding enlightenment and karma, I suspect that it is not so much that an enlightened being is exempt from karma, but rather that they act so

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-03 Thread Al
From: mike brown to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So there. Which is exactly what a belief in God means. You are saying that in the Buddhist concept it is all just senseless stupidity and mindless

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-03 Thread Chuck Gierhart
] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:41 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Chuck, Regarding enlightenment and karma: Karma can be explained simply, and as you have stated in the post below, as the 'consequences of one's actions'. An enlightened being has no self, so

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-02 Thread BillSmart
Panda, Send an email to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can get your email address, and I'll send you something on this.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pandabananasock Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:31 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen]

Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-02 Thread Al
Don't send any naked pictures showing the cause and effect of time on your body (Young Bill versus Old Bill).

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-02 Thread Chuck Gierhart
: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Panda, Send an email to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can get your email address, and I'll send you something on this.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pandabananasock Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:31 AM To: Zen_Forum

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-02 Thread BillSmart
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill Don't send any naked pictures showing the cause and effect of time on your body (Young Bill versus Old Bill). __ NOD32 3233 (20080701) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-02 Thread BillSmart
: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill I cannot help with time, but you may want to look at the doctrine of dependant origination on the subject of cause and effect. From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:36 AM To: Zen_Forum

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-07-02 Thread Chuck Gierhart
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill Chuck, Thanks for your post. I have read extensively on the Buddhist doctrine of Dependant Origination. On the surface it seems to contradict what I

RE: [Zen] Dear Bill

2008-06-29 Thread BillSmart
Panda, Sorry! I did forget. I'll start digging today! .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pandabananasock Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:31 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Dear Bill I hope you have not forgotten to dig up that