Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Yes, Mayka. #5 is the most important. :-)JM
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On 11/25/2010 9:09 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:
Thank you JMJM.
I think I've got the theory
deeper.
…Bill!
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JMJM and Bill:
Still under experimentation how to hold
Ed, I don't use sensation that way. It is just a feeling without
thoughts. Usually feeling without thoughts are more truthful. :-)
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On 11/26/2010 5:06 PM, ED wrote:
JMJM,
'Sensation' has a
Hi Ed, There are several levels of belly breathing.
* At the beginning, we recommend practitioner to breathe with
intended large volume breathing, especially those can not even
breathe with belly.
* For a month or two, when they are able to breathe with their
belly, then we
Hi Ed,
In the year 600, XuanZang, a most famous Chinese monk, well-respected
Buddhism scholar, went to India in search for Yogacarabhumi sutra, (not
sure of its correct name).
Chan practice contains many similar parallels to yoga. I.e. in our
school we have Dong Chan, or Chan exercise, in
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Anthony,
Thanks for the translation.
I was definitely told the Japanese word ‘shikantaza’ meant ‘clear mind’. See
the quotes attributed to Rujing and Dogen
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Siska,
Yes, it is.
Anthony
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Siska,
I can only speak for myself, although I know many others who would agree with
me when I say that it is not impossible for me to quiet my mind
Hi Ed,
Yes, which is the cause of most sufferings.
siska
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ED/Bill,
I think 'single-minded sitting' reflects accurately the meaning of shikantaza.
Others are derivatives.
Anthony
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Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To:
ED,
Refers to zazen without any specific focus or technique. So JM's Heart Chan is
different, as he cultivates 'chi', instead of no technique. I think this is the
key point that zazen has no focus or technique, while sitting with other
schools involves manipulating chi, or concentration on an
ED, et al
I agree with what ED said below with a little caveat Zen Masters cant all
read you like an open book. Maybe liked a closed book that they have to
look at several pages before they make their decision. I went through koan
study with two different (but associate) zen masters and
feel free to
comment.
Thanks...Bill!
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Bill,
Shikantaza (zhiguan dazuo
: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:07 AM
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Bill,
Shikantaza (zhiguan dazuo) is literally 'just sit'. Samadhi. clear
mind, daydreaming or exasperation can be the result of shikandaza
: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 9:27 AM
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Hi Bill,
I speak both Chinese and Japanese fluently. Shigantaza is Just Manage Act
Sit literally.
Yet it does not matter. Zen is a practice
easily.
…Bill!
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Hi Bill,
All you really need to do is sit
Of
Anthony Wu
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ED,
Refers to zazen without any specific focus or technique. So JM's Heart Chan is
different, as he cultivates 'chi', instead of no technique. I think
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Hi Bill,
I think it is an extremely difficult task to communicate Buddha Nature. On the
other hand, it is also impossible
ED,
My formal teaching has been in Japanese Zen Buddhism so most of the terms of
which I am familiar are Japanese.
These are my understanding of some of the terms we've been using:
Kensho: A brief and temporary glimpse of Buddha Nature.
Satori: Essentially the same as kensho but a much more
Siska,
Yes, it is.
Anthony
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Anthony
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Bill,
I almost agree in a wholesale way all you say below, except for one:
shikantaza as: .. (只管打坐?) is a Chinese word denoting
to describe the same experience?
…Bill!
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Bill,
I almost agree
23, 2010 7:49 AM
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Hi Bill,
They are usually delivered as a question (What is X?) or a request (Show me
Y.).
This was also mentioned in the article Ed posted. I can't imagine any words
able to represent
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Anthony,
Thanks for the translation.
I was definitely told the Japanese word ‘shikantaza’ meant ‘clear mind’. See
the quotes attributed to Rujing
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Siska,
I don’t mean to jump in for Anthony, but I’d like to respond to this too.
Koans
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Hi Anthony, Bill,
I'd be surprised if it has to be historically accurate to be a koan.
Come to think about it, what makes a story (or perhaps a saying
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Siska,
There are no prescribed ‘techniques
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Hi Bill,
Thanks for the koans.
What is the communication technique in the last two koans?
I think I've read some sufi
.
…Bill!
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Hi Anthony,
I previously thought most
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Siska,
A koan that immediately comes to mind:
Buddha Holds up a Flower, Case 6 - GATELESS GATE:
“Once
: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
*bows* Siska,
I quite agree with you. I took classes and met with a Teacher to study koans.
I've found its like poetry for me. Trying to analyze it ruins it--for me. Its
simply being with them that makes them meaningful.
The only problem I
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The story of buddha holding up a flower was cooked up by a zen fan, out of thin
air. Nevertheless, it is a good story. I like it.
Anthony
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Bill,
Now we got it.
anthony
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Hi Anthony,
I previously thought most, if not all, koans are made up stories instead of
real events
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Hi Bill,
Actually one of the things that raised my interest in Zen is koans.
Don’t try to ‘understand’ the koans.
That explains why I never really understand what
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The story of buddha holding up a flower was cooked up by a zen fan, out of thin
air. Nevertheless, it is a good story. I like it.
Anthony
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Thanks Bill!, ^_^
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Mayka,
That's
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Lluis,
Just THIS! is before language. I assume what Chomsky is referring
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Siska,
I believe face-to-face contact is the best medium. This can include language,
utterances, gestures and of course also silence. I
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Siska,
I believe face-to-face contact is the best medium. This can include language
and frog example?
Siska
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Siska
Please find below and extract of our both conversation.
ED: I could talk about zen practice. What sort of things should we talking
about that would nourish zen practice?
Mayka: One could talk about any theme for as long as the energy of practise
would be there. When the energy of the practice
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Hi, Bill
Hungry! has also an implied subject: I am hungry!
Fire! has also one, it : It is in fire! (although could be also there is
a fire
Dear Anthony
Thanks for info!
Lluís
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Lluis,
Conversational Japanese is not that hard
, 2010 4:00 AM
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Ed and Lluis,
Maybe the Basques are direct descendents of the Ancient Astronauts, or
survivors of Atlantis. What do you think? .Bill!
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Hi, Bill
Well, I am just a chemist, not a linguist.
But I have been teached the metalanguage theory of Chomsky: all
ED Self Perceptions with the little help or reading:
Mayka ED conversations anger frustration ego illusions: butterflies dreams
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lme...@intermail.es wrote:
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Date: Monday, 15 November, 2010, 15:02
Hi, Bill
Well, I am just a chemist, not a linguist.
But I have been teached the metalanguage
Of Lluís Mendieta
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Hi, Bill
Well, I am just a chemist, not a linguist.
But I have been teached the metalanguage theory of Chomsky: all languages
have
Blocbusters American movies?
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Good point
But, where
ED:
I don't know!
Do you know you don't know?
I do know I don't know!
Mayka
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Date: Monday, 15 November, 2010,
zen training and practice can show the individual not knowing. It is not all
verbal games and negative assertions.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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Mayka:
Who knows?
--ED
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Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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Chris,
o Do you possess the requisite zen training and practice to know the
difference?
There are certainly times when I confidently do not know! Other times, I
ED;
It's a secret mystery
Within one to unravel.
I don't know I don't know
I do know I don't know
I don't know I do know
Mayka
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Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To:
.
...Bill!
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Bill and Lluis:
Woud it be any difference in its meaning
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Lluis,
Just THIS! is before language. I assume what Chomsky is referring to as
'metalanguage' is just pattern
ED:
One could talk about any theme for as long the energy of practise would be
there. When the energy of the practise is there then the way of talks and
chats are addressed are very different. Yet there are words the same while
communicating. However, I have to say that the energy of
Hi, Ed
Sorry for my poor english
I tried to mean that the rest of europeans, excluding finnish, and for that,
hungarians, lapons and seems basques, speak an indo european idiom. And
probably population origin in Asia
Finnish are also westerner in my mindset (yes, it s said that they come here
Hi, Ed
Thanks for map
They forget the basques...
Anyway, if hungarians and finnish speak same branch of language, and they are
not related genetically
a) something is missing in study
b) language has nothing to do with population origin
Besides, as placed in an answer, that is probably
Hi, Ed
I know, I know
Having myself basque blood (my family name is basque), I searched all the
theories that appear and go..
Last I have heard related basque to georgian.
The link with kelts I think is discarded at present.
Also the relationship to georgian...
Will see...
With best wishes
Hi, Ed
Agreed.
As was said, I do not rely too much in such statistics,
As I said before, another genetic map related irish, bristish, basques and
catalans.
Just take the cut in the multidimension surface you need and you could get
whatever you wish (among some limits...That could be very
ED;
Sit down
Shut up
And you will know
Mayka
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Mayka:
Have
Bill,
You can say Asian people look alike. But language wise, Filipino is completely
different.
Anthony
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No wonder many Barques are independence minded. I hope not all of them.
Anthony
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would be writting... :-(
I have heard also tibetan, but in ceremonies, so, not sure if easy for me or
not...
With best wishes
Lluís
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for sure.
Mayka
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Hi, Ed
Agreed.
As was said, I do not rely
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Hi, Anthony
Being not too long ago in Japan, and speaking spanish (among others), I could
say that japanese is not that hard
Ed and Lluis,
Maybe the Basques are direct descendents of the Ancient Astronauts, or
survivors of Atlantis. What do you think?
Bill!
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Hi, Ed
Thanks for map
They forget the basques...
Anyway, if hungarians and finnish speak same branch of language, and they
are not related genetically
a) something is missing in study
b) language has nothing to do
the
relationship within family.
With best wishes
Lluís
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Anthony,
I know Thai's drop subject
Hi, Ed
Well, I am at lost in what you mind
I understand that they are westerners, as we are, even being indo-european..
(so, roots in east).
But all that is dualisticand not zen (or at least, deceiving) :-)
With best wishes
Lluís
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To:
ED,
Your picture says, 'if you don't ask, you don't suffer'. That is nonsense.
Suffering exists whether you ask or not. The difference is whether you know it.
Anthony
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ED,
That is a good article.
Anthony
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Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 10:57 AM
The geography of thought:
Hi ED:
I don't understand your questioning here. It doesn't make much sense for
instance the question: What do you mean by
Do you have an attachment to your need for 'them' to practice more?.
Attachemnt to what?. Can you elaborate it?
ED:...but I suspect that you are saying that persons
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Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 22:56
Hi ED:
I don't understand your questioning
has a lot of words to define
relationships.
Bill!
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Hi, Bill
I beg
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Bill,
Oriental languages do not deemphasize time or personal relationships. They rely
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ED,
Your picture says, 'if you don't ask, you don't suffer'. That is nonsense.
Suffering
…Bill!
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Anthony Wu
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ED/Lluis,
I know nothing about Finnish, but I heard it is related
Of
Anthony Wu
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ED/Lluis,
Thai should definitely be moved closer to Chinese. They are so similar.
You can ask Bill. Most westerners in the beginning are bewildered
this: ‘wood new no burn [question]’. How would you
say that in Finnish? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
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: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
ED,
Your picture says, 'if you don't ask, you don't suffer'. That is nonsense.
Suffering exists whether you ask or not. The difference is whether you know it.
Anthony
--- On Sat, 13/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED
Bill,
Thank you . I leaned some more Thai.
Anthony
--- On Sun, 14/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 14 November, 2010
, November 14, 2010 11:42 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Bill,
It does not matter whether 'ha' is a dialect or a standard word, though it is
in the textbook. My point is to stress the same root shared by Thais and
Chinese Hans. More
ED,
I am 90% in agreement with you. That is the result of human's greed, aversion
and delusion.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 12/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday,
ED,
That is not the way it is. It is too complicated to explain, but the oriental
way is different from occidental. The former is synthetic, while the latter
analytical. So you need subjects, objects, predicates, adverbials and other
nonsense to try to complete your analysis. In other words,
ED,
It comprises mu, shit on a stick and just this.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 12/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 10:06 PM
Chris,
Darnnit. I meant no fixed nature of humans separate from the humans.
Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Nov 12, 2010, at 6:06, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
Chris,
What does this fixed immutable nature of human beings comprise?
Ed,
Yes, the attempt at communication using words and sentence fragments that do
not themselves reflect dualisms (subject/object) is customary in zen. It's
closer to poetry than prose. I picked it up when going through koan study.
If you response to your teacher is verbal, it is usually
Ed,
You interpretation of 'zen stink' as being 'unpleasant to those who have not
reined in their aversions' has merit.
On the other it is a historical stylistic affectation in zen to compliment
others by saying things that appear to be negative and criticisms. An
example would be calling
Ed,
Actually I was just commenting on the logic of the two statements in what I
thought would be a humorous way.
The real subject is more complicated than it first appears.
Generally I think all people feel more free to act naturally around people
they know or believe share the same values.
Ed,
I only have a low opinion of the Dalai Lama, not the Tibetans as a people.
In my opinion Tibetan Buddhism is not actually Buddhism, it is Lamaism in
some after-the-fact Buddhist wrappings.
All of these opinions are based on reading and are based on logic, not
direct experience.
...Bill!
Anthony,
I know Thais drop subject and sometimes even object all the time, but I
thought it was just because they, like Westerners, are lazy.
For example, I could ask you: Are you hungry?, or I could just ask by
saying: Hungry? (with a rising tone). That's just laziness, or being
casual in
Thank you ED for the video. But The bailaora is pathetic!!!.
Paste here something more into the real Spanish art within that gemre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eex1aqbfP08
--- On Wed, 10/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re:
: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 11 November, 2010, 10:02 AM
Anthony,
I am definitely underwhelmed at the sayings of the Dalai Lama.
He's supposed to be a big-time Buddhist leader and continues to encourage his
countrymen
Mayka,
You are right. Like they say, we kill two birds with one stone: have a good
time and learn zen.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 11/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
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ED,
You are saying (almost): everybody is a hypocrite. Is that the way the world is?
anthony
--- On Thu, 11/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
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Date: Thursday, 11
does. As said before,
what works for others is completely fine with me.
Be well..
Kristy
--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday
. There is no difference here for as long as the person in front of us
is of the same wave of thinking.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 10/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote:
From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum
ED:
In real life and face to face with people in the arena of zen there are no
women or men but just practicioners who sit down together and practice
together. There is not as much chatting but all activities are made in
minfulness.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 10/11/10, ED
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