[mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:24 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Chris,
There are strict rules governing material world, down to subatomic particles. I
tend to believe the same applies
: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 5:52 PM
Anthony,
I believe the everything is haphazard (chaos - the original meaning) and we all
are free to kill, rob, rape, drink and burn without
Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:02 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
Nobody asks you to answer to them. If you always do the second group of
actions, that is great. Can you tell me the secret why you are not tempted to
switch to the first
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Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
How can you cry, 'ouch' to an illusion. So it is not. Before you
reach nirvana(to which I hope you are just around the corner), or
whatever you call it, you are still in samsara. A lot of things are
real there, including suffering. Once
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
I understand your 'zen logic' in view of a lack of a proper word. In my case:
- If I run into a killer, I will run away, scared to death.
- If I am starving, I will suffer a lot, complaining about bad karma.
Understanding your action cannot be my
, January 15, 2009 2:04 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
I understand your 'zen logic' in view of a lack of a proper word.
In my case:
- If I run into a killer, I will run away, scared to death.
- If I am starving, I will suffer a lot, complaining
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
I understand your 'zen logic' in view of a lack of a proper
word.
In my case:
- If I run into a killer, I will run away, scared to death.
- If I am starving, I will suffer a lot, complaining about bad
karma.
Understanding your action
Chris,
But samurai training consists of a great number of 'what if' scenarios.
Edgar
On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:54 PM, cid830 wrote:
Edgar,
I'm sure you needed that lesson on the samarai! LOL.
My point, in Bill's defense, was that this is not comparable to his
response to Anthony's questions.
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Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 15 January, 2009, 11:22 PM
Anthony,
I will try to answer your question which I assume is: 'What would you do if
confronted with someone who was threatening your life?
I can absolutely
Owen
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:45 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
The samurai prepares for such a situation in advance. Do you claim he can't
then act from Buddha Nature when the time comes? Just the opposite, by
preparing his body
Owen
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:11 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
There are illusions and there are illusions. The veils of illusion are
multiple and myriad. Some are easy to penetrate, others impossible as they
are artifacts of our existence
Physical pain was obvious. Whether mental was also present I don't know.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 8:22 AM
...@att.net
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 8:52 AM
I would like to help, Anthony. But I've got nothing. Science has
theories. Some proven, some not. I would like to believe in karma. But
I'm more inclined to believe
Hi Al, why do you say unfortunately? what do you have in mind? JM
fitness4u2163 wrote:
Jue Miao Jing Ming -In our school, karma is just a label for
any energy that causes Good or bad are just human interpretations
of the result after the fact. It is not a believe system or a reward
system.
billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 9:59 AM
Anthony and Mike,
I'm jumping into this discussion to say that I still am not getting posts from
Mike. I read his post attached to this post (Anthony's
Uerusuboyo wa nan desuka?
--- On Wed, 14/1/09, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 4:57 PM
Oops! Sorry, I forgot to include Mike
.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 14/1/09, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 9:59 AM
OUCH!
From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
is
killing your friend? Do you help him, or just stand by and see him
killed?
Anthony
--- On Wed, 14/1/09, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday
[mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:02 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
I fully agree with all you say, but on condition that we live in paradise on
earth, like in the USA, or your part of Thailand
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
How can you cry, 'ouch' to an illusion. So it is not. Before you reach
nirvana(to which I hope you are just around the corner), or whatever you call
it, you are still in samsara. A lot of things are real there, including
PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
Good question!
My answer is that justification is not by God, Allah, Brahman, Bill or Anthony.
It is by karma. If I kill somebody, I create karma that will come back to me
someday to result in a very bad
advanced' practitioners. Is this
a Buddhism? Of course, there is a place for playboys in this world, but not in
a monastry, I think.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 13/1/09, fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum
, and suffer from all kinds of pain. Are they
illusory?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 13/1/09, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009, 6:14
is the basic tenant of Buddhism. What
books have you been reading lately?
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:08 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
Yes, I
Owen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:21 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
You are actually saying that aspects of the objective world are not
illusory! I'm amazed. That is not Buddhism, Buddhism states that everything,
that is all forms, are illusory
] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
You are actually saying that aspects of the objective world are not
illusory! I'm amazed. That is not Buddhism, Buddhism states that
everything,
that is all forms, are illusory. I think you just shot your own Buddha
nature in the foot!
Care to clarify
] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
You are actually saying that aspects of the objective world are not
illusory! I'm amazed. That is not Buddhism, Buddhism states that
everything,
that is all forms, are illusory. I think you just shot your own
Buddha
nature in the foot!
Care to clarify
of a dog, for fear of hurting the maggots
and the dog (this may be a myth, but is representative of certain thinkings)
What do you think of them?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 13/1/09, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Of Edgar Owen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:21 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
You are actually saying that aspects of the objective world are not
illusory
of a dog, for fear of hurting the maggots
and the dog (this may be a myth, but is representative of certain thinkings)
What do you think of them?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 13/1/09, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
OUCH!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:23 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Bill,
I am not reading any books at this moment. I am reading your posts.
How
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Hi Bill,
It hasn't been hard to 'transcend the plane' of some of the recent
discussions! :-)
Edgar
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:44 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Mike,
Please give me specific examples of what an advanced zen practitioner
can do, after 'breaking through
Hi Al,
What I have experienced about hurting others is that I will either get
sick or get a head ache or some kind of discomfort in different levels.
Many practitioners in our school can sense, transfer and eliminate
karma. In our school, karma is just a label for any energy that
causes
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Of fitness4u2163
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:31 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Anthony Wu Since we all have the same Buddha mind, everything we do
is justified.
That's what I don't agree with, as I see that there are opposing
Hi Chris,
I haven't been posting here for a while so it's good to be back to catch up
with all the usual suspects! I couldn't help noticing your comment that you
think Buddha-Nature is inherent in all of us. This is view that seems to
contradict a fundamental tenet of Buddhism - that there is
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 9 January, 2009, 1:31 AM
What I believe is that we live in a dualistic world. Our minds attach
to forms in a dualistic way. If you can break your attachment to this
dualism and dissolve your Ego, you can get in touch
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 9 January, 2009, 8:09 AM
Anthony, I'm not advocating you sit on a pillow forever. Formal sitting with a
teacher is a good way to learn to do zazen, but like anything else after you've
learned the basics you
Chris,
You asked:
Your statement is always great and sweet. It feels like a carrot.
Al is carrying a stick. Are you two in the same performance in
two different characters?
My response is: yes - but isn't that true for all of us? If we all do indeed
share the same Buddha Mind then aren't we
Most words are hollow.
--- On Sat, 10/1/09, fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: fitness4u2163 fitness1...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 9:50 AM
cid830 I know it may sound like I don't have a clue
do is
justified.
Anthony
--- On Sat, 10/1/09, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 10:00 AM
Chris,
You asked:
Your
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:10 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Both yours and Al's answer are very acceptable. On the other hand, I have yet
to prove the idea of 'Buddha mind' came from historical Buddha. It may have
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
I'm sure many things ring hollow, when your empty inside.
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Of fitness4u2163
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:13 AM
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
cid830 I don't have to rely on my faith to carry me into the
promised land, after I die! The Kingdom of Heaven is among us!
That is as much a fantasy
[mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:54 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Are you advocating that we should all just sit on a pillow until it stinks, and
that is all? That is why I say no suffering
So instead you prefer zen buddhism, where every koan is open to
interpretation and most of it is totally undefined and completely
subjective depending on who the teacher is.
That is basically the way the world is. Everything must be open to
interpretation. The book you mention seems to
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Vince There is way to much ambiguity for me.
So instead you prefer zen buddhism, where every koan is open to
interpretation and most of it is totally undefined and completely
subjective depending on who the teacher is.
HO HO HO
Excellent point, indeed.
From: cid830 summitj...@att.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:08:19 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
I know you didn't ask me, but... I prefer Zen Buddhism because it is
a direct way
I guess this is where I've run into problems with general Christianity. Some of
the bible is open to interpretation. Some of it is not. Some of it must be
strictly followed. Some of it you CAN'T follow. There is way to much ambiguity
for me.
I have found
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