RE: [Zen] The Vasque Country
Dear Bill: Thanks Bill. I consider that the whole Spain with all its different areas makes from Spain a very interesting Country in all the ways as each area is unique and. However the central power is highly corrupted and that is not well taken by the Vasque people who are with a great sense of justice and genuinity in thier politics.. But I don't renegate of being Spanish as well as Vasque. I do love the entire Spain with all its for and against. Mayka --- On Mon, 13/9/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] The Vasque Country To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 13 September, 2010, 3:59 Mayka, Thanks for your post below. I was surprised at the post prior to that. It did seem out-of-character for you. This must be because you have deep feelings about Basque people and their struggle for an autonomous region. That is understandable. As I said in a post I just sent, a knowledge of history is not necessary to know the current state of affairs. I'm not arguing the history, although I did put down some historical facts several posts ago about Tibet. I'm just saying that at this time Tibet does not have an independent country. They are part of China. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:23 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] The Vasque Country Hi Bill; I don't like very much the way I addressed myself to you in previous post and would like to apologise for it. I don't know why I talked to you in such an unkind way. Sorry!. I paste here a link with an small but reliable and very well explained summary history of the Vasque Country. Perhaps I should have started by that in previous post. http://web.jet.es/thori/cultura.htm Thank your for your always kind ways and most of it for the sharing in the forum. Mayka --- On Sat, 11/9/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 11:21 Bill; Funny that an American person living in Thailand seems to know better than a Vasque Person, or Spanish about their own land. I strongly advice you to read the History but read it by well educated Spanish historians who happen to be a lot of more neutral while talking about history in different worldwide countries and not by English Spoken historians who are not very good at it. It seems as they find hard to face that in fact while they still were leaving their excrements behind in the castle corners Italy was in the renasciment. I'm saying this because they are not very good telling the history about any country and there are times that they manipulate the history too!. However, do as you wish it doesn't affect me much if you keep with your incorrect history information or not. I can only tell you that your information about the Vasque Country doesn't fit the real book of History of the Vasque Country. Unless you are saying all this because for the seek of the argument. Mayka --- On Sat, 11/9/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 7:31 Mayka, The Basque people occupy lands that overlap Spain and France, just as the Kurdish people occupy lands that overlap Iran and Turkey. Neither the Basque or the Kurdish people have a country of their own. Tibet hasn’t been an independent country since they were conquered by the Mongols in the 1200’s. China incorporated it as early as the 1700’s, and most recently punctuated their annexation in 1910. In 1950 under The Seventeen Point Agreement and recognized by the UN, Tibet officially recognized China’s sovereignty. In 1959 Tibet revolted unsuccessfully against China which resulted in the Dalai Lama fleeing Tibet. The UN still recognized the Seventeen Point Agreement and China’s sovereignty over Tibet. Tibet is not an independent country, it’s part of China. You can dislike this, think in unfair and try to wish it away, but these are the facts. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:20 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions Bill: Tibet is a Country. China's invasion into Tibet and making from it a province are just politics. The Vasque Country as the name itself says is a Country. Part of the Vasque Country is in France and part is in Spain. If you would be going to the Vasque Country you will be seeing that is very different from Spain in all the ways. As a contrast , I was borne in the Vasque Country and I believe anyone has ever heard say that I
Re: [Zen] The Vasque Country
Mayka, It is fine. You don't have to apologize. Bill is so broad minded, that is why he is a moderator. Anthony --- On Sat, 11/9/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: [Zen] The Vasque Country To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 8:22 PM Hi Bill; I don't like very much the way I addressed myself to you in previous post and would like to apologise for it. I don't know why I talked to you in such an unkind way. Sorry!. I paste here a link with an small but reliable and very well explained summary history of the Vasque Country. Perhaps I should have started by that in previous post. http://web.jet.es/thori/cultura.htm Thank your for your always kind ways and most of it for the sharing in the forum. Mayka --- On Sat, 11/9/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 11:21 Bill; Funny that an American person living in Thailand seems to know better than a Vasque Person, or Spanish about their own land. I strongly advice you to read the History but read it by well educated Spanish historians who happen to be a lot of more neutral while talking about history in different worldwide countries and not by English Spoken historians who are not very good at it. It seems as they find hard to face that in fact while they still were leaving their excrements behind in the castle corners Italy was in the renasciment. I'm saying this because they are not very good telling the history about any country and there are times that they manipulate the history too!. However, do as you wish it doesn't affect me much if you keep with your incorrect history information or not. I can only tell you that your information about the Vasque Country doesn't fit the real book of History of the Vasque Country. Unless you are saying all this because for the seek of the argument. Mayka --- On Sat, 11/9/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 7:31 Mayka, The Basque people occupy lands that overlap Spain and France, just as the Kurdish people occupy lands that overlap Iran and Turkey. Neither the Basque or the Kurdish people have a country of their own. Tibet hasn’t been an independent country since they were conquered by the Mongols in the 1200’s. China incorporated it as early as the 1700’s, and most recently punctuated their annexation in 1910. In 1950 under The Seventeen Point Agreement and recognized by the UN, Tibet officially recognized China’s sovereignty. In 1959 Tibet revolted unsuccessfully against China which resulted in the Dalai Lama fleeing Tibet. The UN still recognized the Seventeen Point Agreement and China’s sovereignty over Tibet. Tibet is not an independent country, it’s part of China. You can dislike this, think in unfair and try to wish it away, but these are the facts. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:20 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions Bill: Tibet is a Country. China's invasion into Tibet and making from it a province are just politics. The Vasque Country as the name itself says is a Country. Part of the Vasque Country is in France and part is in Spain. If you would be going to the Vasque Country you will be seeing that is very different from Spain in all the ways. As a contrast , I was borne in the Vasque Country and I believe anyone has ever heard say that I wasn't from Spain. I like Spain due to its rich cultural and paesage variety. And I also like a united Spain with the Vasque Country included rather than separated. Nonetheless the only place in the Iberic peninsula called Country is the Vasque Country and that is because is a Country split up between France and Spain. Mayka --- On Sat, 11/9/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 11 September, 2010, 3:49 Makya, I appreciate your observations. One correction: Tibet is not a country. It’s a province of China. Much like the Basque region of Spain is a province of Spain – even though some of them don’t want to be. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:55 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Other traditions Yes, that was my
