Re: [Zen] Compassion Research

2013-09-05 Thread Bill!
Larry, The survey, like your post below, is voluntary; but the survey, unlike your post, is anonymous. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote: screw you (just kidding) On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:37 PM, trisfb@... wrote: ** I am a post-grad

Re: [Zen] Compassion Research

2013-09-05 Thread larry maher
screw you (just kidding) On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:37 PM, tri...@yahoo.com.au wrote: ** I am a post-grad (clinical psychology) student researching the relationship between a Buddhist concept of self-compassion and mood states. Please help me by taking 8 minutes or so to fill in my survey.

Re: [Zen] Compassion Research

2013-09-05 Thread larry maher
Oh Bill it was a joke AND if I knew it was from you I would have gladly filled it out. BUT what do they think we have that everyone else doesn't? They just believe and act on their emotions and 'We just observe our emotions (mostly) and try not to act on the destructive ones! On Thu, Sep 5,

Re: [Zen] Compassion Research

2013-09-05 Thread Kristopher Grey
On 9/4/2013 8:37 PM, tri...@yahoo.com.au wrote: ...Buddhist concept of self-compassion... Whatever that may be thought to be, it is not compassion, nor does it even sound particularly Buddhist. Please don't mistake 'New Age' feel good/self love/self help BS for Buddhism, despite the plethora

Re: [Zen] compassion stretches across the globe it's not a competition either

2013-04-18 Thread Edgar Owen
Merle, Thinking caring thoughts IS NOT compassion. It doesn't help anyone. Compassion is actually helping people or animals alleviate suffering in the REAL world. You are just massaging your own ego to think otherwise Edgar On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Merle Lester wrote:

Re: [Zen] compassion

2012-06-12 Thread mike brown
  not the words mike... compassion is beyond words...it just ismerle ..it is much better to sit silently and be the experience those words evoke. What were you trying to teach me here exactly? Mike

Re: [Zen] compassion, universe, etc

2011-04-21 Thread Maria Lopez
  ..'When people see things as beautiful, ugliness is created When people see things as good, evil is created' Tao Te Ching.   Thank you Mel for the Tao Te Ching above reference.    Although the above said is a wise one, there is a danger in reading and take things literally as they are

Re: [Zen] compassion, universe, etc

2011-04-21 Thread Maria Lopez
...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] compassion, universe, etc To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 15:04     ..'When people see things as beautiful, ugliness is created When people see things as good, evil is created' Tao Te Ching.   Thank you Mel for the Tao

Re: [Zen] compassion, universe, etc

2011-04-21 Thread ED
Bill and All, Consider the two statements in Mayka's message below. There are dozens of question I ask *myself* about them, the first of which might be: I understand the heart as an organ that pumps blood. I understand that the limbic system, which is the seat of feelings and emotion in the

Re: [Zen] compassion, universe, etc

2011-04-21 Thread ED
Here's what I have found on the Internet concerning the heart: Definitions of heart on the Web: * the locus of feelings and intuitions; in your heart you know it is true; her story would melt your bosom * the hollow muscular organ located behind the sternum and between the lungs; its

RE: [Zen] Compassion for Others Benefits Self

2010-08-19 Thread BillSmart
Ed and Makya, Also, it is a known fact that 72% of all statistics are just made up on the spot. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:34 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2010-08-04 Thread Jody W. Ianuzzi
Hello Mayka, Your message really disturbed me. I think the lack of compassion you found in the meditation groups that you attended is terrible. I have a good friend whose boyfriend calls himself a compassionate Buddhist but when my friend's good friend died she sobbed for three hours and he

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2010-08-04 Thread Maria Lopez
is going to be switch on/off and find myself guiding the Holy TNH!.    Warm embrace Mayka        --- On Wed, 4/8/10, Jody W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com wrote: From: Jody W. Ianuzzi j...@thewhitehats.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 4 August, 2010

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2010-08-04 Thread Maria Lopez
. com Subject: RE: [Zen] Compassion To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Wednesday, 4 August, 2010, 21:00   Hello Mayka, Your message really disturbed me. I think the lack of compassion you found in the meditation groups that you attended is terrible. I have a good friend whose boyfriend calls

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-08-01 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   Be and let be, so I go to an orgyhouse, I go looting, burning, taking drugs, and will accept all.   Anthony --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-27 Thread ED
In the path that you follow, do *you* forget anything? And, what is your path? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: ED, At least he forgets gravity pulls his body down the earth. And others. Anthony Joe, You keep pointing your finger at bill,

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-27 Thread maitreya003
You forget everything of self down to the most subtle self undisclosed in sutra. But to others you appear to remember everything, omniscience. path Destruction of the self down to very subtle self grasping to which if you did not know of its existence you could not achieve freedom from it.

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-26 Thread ED
In my observation, Bill is forgetting nothing. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Joe, You keep pointing your finger at bill, which leads me to sympathize with 'Bill'. He is always talking about the ultmate truth, forgetting the conventional. Anthony

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-25 Thread maitreya003
...@... Subject: Re: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 23 July, 2010, 11:28 AM   Buddha claimed ultimate truth and warned of hells and taught a true path to which conflicted other paths. There are ultimate truths and there are false truths. Those who hold false

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-25 Thread Anthony Wu
...@... wrote: From: maitreya003 joult...@... Subject: Re: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 23 July, 2010, 11:28 AM   Buddha claimed ultimate truth and warned of hells and taught a true path to which conflicted other paths. There are ultimate truths

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-22 Thread maitreya003
  If you claim yours is the ultimate truth, you qualify for a Taliban.   Anthony --- On Wed, 21/7/10, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@... Subject: Re: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010, 10:06 PM   Why don't

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-22 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
...@... Subject: Re: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010, 10:06 PM Â Why don't claim, if that's the way one sees it? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@ wrote: Artie, It is OK to have different beliefs, as long as you don't

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-21 Thread ED
Why don't claim, if that's the way one sees it? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Artie, It is OK to have different beliefs, as long as you don't claim yours is the final truth. Anthony Current Book Discussion:

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-17 Thread Anthony Wu
Artie,   It is OK to have different beliefs, as long as you don't claim yours is the final truth.   Anthony --- On Sat, 17/7/10, roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: roloro1557 roloro1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Compassion To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 17 July

Re: [Zen] Compassion

2010-07-16 Thread roloro1557
Hi Anthony :-) I agree whole-heartedly :-) Nothing comes by birth. Sometimes through circumstances things just go terribly, terribly wrong. And I don't mean that lightly. People are hurt terribly in the process. This is reality, a very harsh reality. Piling on more wrong and harshness does no

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2006-12-11 Thread donald hwong
Good Day Bill, It is true that not much of the Chinese Chan had a chance to be introduced to the West, because Communist China destroy most of the resources since 1945. Taiwan was poor until about 20 years ago. Spiritual concerns grow mostly in the 80's in Taiwan. I signed up to around 5

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2006-12-09 Thread Bill Smart
How about.? 1. Get a Life! - anonymous 2. Poor, poor, pitiful me. - Warren Zevon 3. If you're scared dude, stay home! - Pizza Dude Kathy's original straight-line was: Does anyone have three or so short, but poignant quotes regarding compassion? Something from a great

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2006-12-09 Thread Bill Smart
Donald, That's a pretty good one. It's not exactly traditionally zen, but from a Tibetan Buddhist. It's a similar thought coming from the opposite perspective to a quote on compassion attributed to a Bodhisattva who's often quoted in Western culture: Do unto others as you would have them do

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2006-12-09 Thread Bill Smart
Kathy, Okay - now I'm seriously going to try to address your question. It's an interesting question. I thought a lot about it and really can't come up with the type of philosophical or warm-'n-fuzzy quote you're probably looking for. I know zen just doesn't put a lot of value on philosophy,

RE: [Zen] Compassion

2006-12-09 Thread Bill Smart
Kathy, I talked to a friend of mine about this and he gave me a little different perspective. He reminded me that zen in the West has been very heavily influenced by Japanese and Korean zen, both of which are expressions of very macho cultures. The West also is pretty macho so it was an easy