Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ch...@austin-lane.net* wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 4 November, 2010, 0:09 Aren't we all

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-04 Thread Maria Lopez
Thanks for clarification Chris. Definetely in that respect all in me too is a massive illusion. --- On Thu, 4/11/10, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-04 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Thanks for clarification Chris. Definetely in that respect all in me too is a massive illusion. --M M, is that how you actually experience yourself or is it a conception or an act of faith? --E I meant my idea of

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-04 Thread Maria Lopez
  --- On Thu, 4/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 4 November, 2010, 15:46   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Thanks

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-04 Thread ED
Mayka, I am sorry about that. The contents and the intent of my questions are not clearly stated, and so I withdraw the questions. I am quite certain this issue will raise its head again in the near future. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED:

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-03 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill Smart himself is also an illusion. Don't atttach any spiritual significant.   Anthony --- On Wed, 3/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-03 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, For once I agree with you! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill Smart himself is also

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-02 Thread ED
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RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-02 Thread BillSmart
Ed, My comments are embedded below: [Ed] Questions, as usual, to ask oneself concening 'experience', with a view to clarify its meaning: Can the following be classified as kosher/halal experiences? o  A pentecostal Christian who has had a born-again experience? [Bill!] My opinion is that being

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread Maria Lopez
of the health and well being not just in me but also my surroundings.   Mind that this is just my personal experience and not necessarily anybody else experience.    Mayka     --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread ED
Mayka, We are flogging a dead horse. From *my* perspective there is no difference between what you (and Bill and others) say, and what I say. The difference is one of deep orientation: You and Bill and others are (unconsciously) steeped in the fixated and contentious Western Judeo-Christian

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread ED
Bill, I regard everything you, I, Mayka, I and others say as 'illusory', but one has to do *something* to pass the time of day before the grim reaper arrives. ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, In my opinion, and it's only my opinion, those feelings you

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread ED
Bill, That is merely an assertion (which might be based on illusory conceptions, feelings and experiences.) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, Tasting the peach with your whole being is EVERYTHING. It will save your friends, loved ones, all of humanity and

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread ED
Mayka, Do you sit at all? If yes, do you sit alone or with a group? On the average, for how many hours per day do you sit? Does your sitting help you control your emotionality? Does it assist you in developing humility, or cultivating a sensitivity to others' feelings? --ED --- In

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread Maria Lopez
ED:   Will I get paid after responding your questionnaire?.    Mayka --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 14:07   Mayka, Do

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread ED
Mayka, The 'experience' of answering the questions will be be your reward. ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: Will I get paid after responding your questionnaire?. Mayka

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread Maria Lopez
He he...Good try!.  But not.  --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 16:10   Mayka, The 'experience' of answering

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I got them on the website.   Anthony --- On Mon, 1/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 11:15 AM

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread BillSmart
Ed, [Bill! from an earlier post] Tasting the peach with your whole being is EVERYTHING. It will save you, your friends, loved ones, all of humanity and all sentient beings. [Ed} That is merely an assertion (which might be based on illusory conceptions, feelings and experiences.) [Bill!] Is

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-11-01 Thread BillSmart
] Questions, questions, question Bill, I got them on the website. Anthony --- On Mon, 1/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread siska_cen
-Original Message- From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:01:17 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed} When one reads

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Siska, I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. Bill, And, what is the signifance of this (personally-experienced) difference? There is absolutely the experience of

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 7:42, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Do persons not have a choice as to what they think/feel is important to themselves? I certainly do not seem to; sometimes I know what is important to me, sometimes even that is

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed] When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one's own intrinsic wisdom-mind, no? [Bill!] I assume by 'intrinsic wisdom-mind' you mean 'Buddha Mind' or

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane ch...@... wrote: Do persons not have a choice as to what they think/feel is important to themselves? I certainly do not seem to; sometimes I know what is important to me, sometimes even that is mysterious. I have had very poor results to

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 October, 2010, 16:39   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Thanks ED.  I appreciate

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, Of what value is tasting the peach to yourself, your friends and loved ones, or to humanity in general? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: Sit down and you'll be having yourself experience here. No much point to tell you the taste of a

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 31 October, 2010, 19:32     Mayka, Of what value is tasting the peach to yourself, your friends and loved ones, or to humanity in general? --ED

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, So, your experiences of Buddha Mind are entirely for your own pleasure? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: This summer I asked my boyfriend to bring me a pair of those big watering peaches from Spain. I didn't waste time asking him the

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
ED:  Sit down and you'll be having yourself experience here.  No much point to tell you the taste of a peach when you can eat and taste by yourself what does it look like.   Mayka   --- On Sat, 30/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Maria Lopez
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 31 October, 2010, 20:18   Mayka, So, your experiences of Buddha Mind are entirely for your own pleasure? --ED   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: This summer

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, Why do you do zazen? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: What's Buddha mind?. What do you mean by buddha mind are for my own pleasure?. Is it a new dharma am not aware of from the complementary lote different strokes for different

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 31 October, 2010, 12:38 PM   Siska,   I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it.   There is absolutely the experience

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 12:23 AM   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed]  When one reads

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
them since we don't have here in the UK such a delicious fruits. Mayka   --- On Sun, 31/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 31 October, 2010, 19:32     Mayka

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
yess. --- On Mon, 1/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 4:18 AM   Mayka, So, your experiences of Buddha Mind are entirely for your

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Mayka, Because I am not sufficiently motivated to realize Buddha Nature. Why do you do zazen? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED; Why don't you do zazen? Mayka Mayka, Why do you do zazen? --ED

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ED
Anthony, No. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: ED, Your highlighted words have awakened my non-wisdom mind. Do you mean you already knew Buddhism and zen before reading Christmas Humphrey and Alan Watts. Only you forgot them, but were again reminded by

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Responses below. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:47, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: Nevertheless, in our society today, we tend to grant people the autonomy to do their own thing and arrive at their own insights in the fullness of time. So you are

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question     Mayka, Of what value is tasting the peach to yourself, your friends and loved ones, or to humanity in general? --ED   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED:  Sit down and you'll be having yourself

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
Ed, My answers are embedded below: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: I think there is a distinct difference between doing and feeling something and only reading about it. And, what is the signifance of this (personally-experienced) difference? [Bill!] I already addressed

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
, 2010 11:23 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed]  When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one's own

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-31 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:00 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill, This post of yours have been repeated at least six times. At the rate of 10c per piece, you

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Maria Lopez
get by surprise and in nappies!.    Mayka   --- On Fri, 29/10/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 15:10   Mill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'?  I jut see

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Maria Lopez
Bill;   I apologise.  I over-reacted and missed out the joke!   Mayka --- On Sat, 30/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 30

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Maria Lopez
of it.  As a result the outcome brings benefit to everyone.    It's a continuous taming of the ego.    Thanks for the opportunity of sharing. Mayka   --- On Sat, 30/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread siska_cen
-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska, In a previous post you wrote: [Siska] I have also come across people who sit and then start to look down on people who only read (or seems so). This is perhaps the other extreme to those who are attached

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ED
Mayka said: You right and there is no attachment to any of those sensations appearing in the body and in the mind. Mayka, How can a person ever be certain that he/she is not possessed by an attachment or an aversion? Would not others, and epecially one's own guide (zen, spiritual or

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill... wrote: You are correct that you shouldn't form an attachment to either your own experience or intellectual knowledge - but it is important to note that the experience, even its memory, is your experience; whereas whatever you read or are taught is at

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Thanks ED. I appreciate your kind words and understanding. Mayka, thanks to you too; I feel happy too now that we are attempting to communicate with each other. Your tolerance says a lot of good about you. The

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 October, 2010, 0:45 Indeed, ED. The label for these conditions is Delusion. As soon as we say or think or act, we have indulged ourselves into form

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread ChrisAustinLane
When I read a lot of Zen Enlightenment stuff, I find my sitting is then filled up with what i label Zen thoughts - thoughts that attempt to portray themselves as wisdom or as good Zen experiences. I personally find those to be even more obscuring than the non-Zen thoughts about various

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of someone

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
Ed, My responses are embedded below: [Ed} When one reads, it is not necessarily to 'learn', but also and especially to awaken one's own intrinic wisdom-mind, no? [Bill!] I assume by 'intrinic [sic] wisdom-mind' you mean 'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Mind'. If that's so, then I disagree with you -

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of someone

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question When I read a lot of Zen Enlightenment stuff, I find my sitting is then filled up with what i label Zen thoughts - thoughts that attempt to portray themselves as wisdom or as good Zen experiences. I personally find those

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of someone

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of someone

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-30 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:56 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Hi Bill, I'd advise you to value your own experience more than the account of someone

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread Siska
...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 21:12   Siska:   Reading books is educative.  Nothing wrong about reading.  A different matter

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread siska_cen
: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 11:25 AM   Siska, You are Buddha. If you’d like to find out how to block Anthony’s posts just let me know. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread Maria Lopez
to real ice that we are in a zen forum and that all that is irrelevant. Mayka --- On Fri, 29/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread Maria Lopez
Bill: Do you think so?. Thanks for the warning.  Knowing this little remorse feels release.   Mayka --- On Fri, 29/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread siska_cen
...@btinternet.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:42:38 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska: I have also come across people who sit and then start to look down on people who only

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread BillSmart
?. He doesn't seem to real ice that we are in a zen forum and that all that is irrelevant. Mayka --- On Fri, 29/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread BillSmart
, October 29, 2010 5:43 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska: I have also come across people who sit and then start to look down on people who only read (or seems so). This is perhaps the other extreme to those who are attached to texts

RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread Maria Lopez
wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 14:12   Mayka, My comment was directed towards Ed, not you. Opening up a can of whoop-ass from time to time and when it’s

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ED
Mill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'? I jut see a person expressing her thoughts, feelings and wants - which is a natural and normal thing for a person to do. IMO, seeing it as 'WHOOP-ASS', is like adding legs to a snake. Back off? Me? I have not said a word to (or about) Mayka since her demand of me

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ED
Bill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'? I jut see a person expressing her thoughts, feelings and wants - which is a natural and normal thing for a person to do. IMO, seeing it as 'WHOOP-ASS', is like adding legs to a snake. Back off? Me? I have not said a word to (or about) Mayka since her demand of me

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread Maria Lopez
is it in zazen? How do you be aware in your sitting? siska From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:42:38 +0100 (BST) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 28, 2010, at 23:24, Siska siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: Agree, a teacher would be nice to have. From where I stand, it is still not a must have, but then again, I'm open to the difference, if perhaps this is the way it is in Zen. At

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ED
On the path or off the path, with a teacher (zen, psychological or spiritual) or without a teacher, one could be fooling oneself about something or other, from one perspective or another. This is a universal given in the game of life. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi All, In my limited experience, some teachers are like a tour guide, he tells us where to go or what to do. Some teachers are like a mirror, it reflects the true we, so that we get to know ourselves, to wake us up. Depending on whether we are the at the stage of seeking inwardly or

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ED
Hi JMJM, Whether these opinions/conceptions are illusory or otherwise, they are all mere opinions/conceptions that furnish a framework for some to 'understand' the teacher-student relation; but one can never be certain one is not fooling oneself. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue

Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

2010-10-29 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 29, 2010, at 14:34, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: but one can never be certain one is not fooling oneself. In acting, one is not fooling one's self. In thinking, one cannot be sure. Current

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2010-10-29 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Indeed, ED. The label for these conditions is Delusion. As soon as we say or think or act, we have indulged ourselves into form, which is emptiness. So are every word posted and discussed here, including every alphabet that I am typing at the moment Be Enlightened In This Life - We

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2010-10-29 Thread BillSmart
Ed, Don't worry about the snake's legs, worry about the snake's powerful body.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:14 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

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2010-10-29 Thread BillSmart
Ed, Don't worry about the snake's legs, worry about the snake's fangs.Mill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:11 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Mill

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2010-10-29 Thread BillSmart
] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:03 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill: Yes your mail was directed to ED in the public domain in which everyone can have a go and participate. Your replay to ED was made

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2010-10-29 Thread BillSmart
] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:03 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Bill: Yes your mail was directed to ED in the public domain in which everyone can have a go and participate. Your replay to ED was made

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2010-10-29 Thread BillSmart
I agree with Chris that a teacher, if not absolutely essential, is very highly desirable.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChrisAustinLane Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:12 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions

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2010-10-29 Thread ED
Bill, What 'WHOOP-ASS'? I see no 'WHOOP ASS'. I see a person expressing her thoughts, feelings and wants - which is a natural and normal thing for a person to do. Back off? Me? I have not said a word to (or about) Mayka since her demand of me not to communicate with her. --ED PS: Mayka,

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2010-10-28 Thread mike brown
I *really* wanna see ED's chat up lines and their effects in one of my local bars : ) Mike From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 26 October, 2010 10:07:40 Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question   ALL

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2010-10-28 Thread ED
Mike, Would I be leaving the bar all in one piece? :-( --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote: I *really* wanna see ED's chat up lines and their effects in one of my local bars : ) Mike ALL WHAT I MEAN IS THAT YOU HAVE BORED ME TO DEATH. LET ME

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2010-10-28 Thread Maria Lopez
there   Nice talking to you Mayka       -- On Thu, 28/10/10, siska_...@yahoo.com siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: siska_...@yahoo.com siska_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 5:49   Mayka, What you said

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2010-10-28 Thread Maria Lopez
brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 12:27   I *really* wanna see ED's chat up lines and their effects in one of my local bars : )   Mike

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2010-10-28 Thread Anthony Wu
...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 11:25 AM   Siska, You are Buddha. If you’d like to find out how to block Anthony’s posts just let me know. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo

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2010-10-28 Thread Anthony Wu
Mike,   I don't see the connection between the British Army and orgyhouse studies. Is it along the same line as my idea that gentlemen and sinners are synonyms?   Anthony --- On Thu, 28/10/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Zen

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2010-10-27 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_...@... wrote: Hello Ed, Thanks for the welcome :) Hello siska, The Zen Forum exists in samsara - so, hold on to your seat and expect anything - and even the worst! I am not familiar with the terms being used here, especially when you all are

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2010-10-27 Thread Maria Lopez
...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 2:05   Hello Ed, Thanks for the welcome :) I am not familiar with the terms being used here, especially when you all are discussing about buddha nature, zen

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2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
?  ;-) Yes, I think so, really fast, but with awareness maybe not so exciting? siska -Original Message- From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:14:44 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen

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2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
not lessen my respect to Sakyamuni Buddha, just like my joke about Bill on this forum still maintains my respect for him.   Anthony --- On Wed, 27/10/10, siska_...@yahoo.com siska_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: siska_...@yahoo.com siska_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question

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2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
on your loyalty.   Anthony --- On Thu, 28/10/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 1:01 AM   Siska:   I don't know

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2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
-Original Message- From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:36:54 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_...@... wrote: Hi

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2010-10-27 Thread BillSmart
, 27 Oct 2010 07:14:44 - To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_...@... wrote: Hello Ed, Thanks for the welcome :) Hello siska, The Zen Forum exists in samsara - so, hold

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2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:01:38 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska:   I don't know if having a Teacher is compulsory but I can tell you that is certainly strongly adviced by experienced zen

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2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:21:05 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question My advice is that you should be careful in choosing your teacher. Test him first. Some Tantric teacher will ask you to jump from the top

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2010-10-27 Thread siska_cen
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question Siska, The Buddha means somebody who can walk and talk as soon as he is born. According to a mahayana story, Sakyamuni, as soon as he came out of his mother's womb, walked seven steps in each of the 4 directions, east, south, west

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2010-10-26 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   Is it? I thougt sinners and gentlemen are synonyms.   Anthony --- On Tue, 26/10/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010

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2010-10-26 Thread BillSmart
Ed, This is a good example of ‘a can of whoop-ass’! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:08 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question ALL WHAT I MEAN

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