Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-11 Thread Jody W. Ianuzzi
Hello Margie, We can learn a lot from dogs. Our spouses and children don't come racing to the door to greet us when we get home. Dogs have unconditional love and they will forgive you and forget about all the negatives like accidently stepping on their tail. Dogs don't ever say good bye

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-11 Thread Jody W. Ianuzzi
Hi Chuck, Hahahaha! That was a good one. JODY Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-11 Thread Edgar Owen
Jody, Arf! wag, wag, wag! Edgar On Oct 11, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote: Hello Margie, We can learn a lot from dogs. Our spouses and children don't come racing to the door to greet us when we get home. Dogs have unconditional love and they will forgive you and forget about

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-11 Thread Jody W. Ianuzzi
Hello Edgar, Is whoof, whoof whoof anything li,e moo, moo, mu? JODY Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-10 Thread Jody W. Ianuzzi
Hi margie and all, I think my dog lives in the moment better then I do. she will sit and just be there without a past or a future, she just notices everything that is happening right now. JODY Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 16:51:30 Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen I also define moral as a code of conduct. It was that explained in a post to Jack Master. There must have been an linguistic error here from my side. And so I'll try again to explain

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
Margie,   I fully agree. But it is easier said than done.   regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:27 AM Hello Anthony- I

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
in the fish market..   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 9:18 AM Excuse me Anthony, but how do you know Bill has something

RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, I am as deep as a mirror...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:53 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Margie, I am poor at knowing other peoples experience

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
the nderf, then tell me they are all bullshiting.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 7:37 PM Anthony and Margie

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
Anthony and Margie, Anthony, would it help if you knew that the great all loving all powerful mother of the universe has you in her arms loving you at every moment including right now? She does. It's called being alive in her arms You just simply need to experience it. And

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
formal code of conduct or morals. Hope this helps...Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of roloro1557 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:44 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Mayka- Morals are just a set of arbitrary rules imposed

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
Margie and Anthony, Margie is correct. There are no such comparisons in Zen, no black belt rankings. Zen is not something 'in' a person, or that a person can 'have'. Zen is simply the way the entire universe actually is. It's just a matter of looking and seeing and dancing in tune with the

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
: Aging and Zen Hi Margie, Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and avoid turmoil'. Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
correct position. For example, is killing a healthy newborn child moral or immoral? Mike. - Original Message From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 23:18:51 Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Hello Mike; What are you doing? Moral Values

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
Morning Margie, Well that answers the koan 'does a dog have Buddha nature?' What doesn't? :-) Edgar On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:30 AM, roloro1557 wrote: Morning Edgar, Not only that, but I see people doing zen (or getting done by zen) all the time who are obviously not zennists. Watch a

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
Hi Edgar, Does a cow have Buddha nature? Mike. - Original Message From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Morning Margie, Well that answers the koan 'does a dog have Buddha nature

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Margie, I am poor at knowing other peoples experience. But Bill's words sounds like the zen literature I read--to be ruminated. I don't have to curry favor with him. I don't want to err on the wrong side either. To be on the safe side, I

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
Hi Margie, Hmm, I can appreciate the sentiment but I can't really agree that Animals are eloquent zennists. We may often observe animals appearing to 'be in the moment', but zen is also about how to live and die mindfully. For instance, we can also observe animals cowering fearfully from

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
Muuu! :-) Edgar On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:21 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, Does a cow have Buddha nature? Mike. - Original Message From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
Well, M! works better, but you got the idea! An oldie but a goodie (the joke, that is..). Mike :) - Original Message From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 2:07:34 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Muuu

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 23:18:51 Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Hello Mike; What are you doing? Moral Values are not exactly the same as moralistic values. It seems to me that the only who understood that were the gays from Yale

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
Correction: there is a mirror, but no dust to wipe.   Anthony --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 12:24 AM Bill, There is no mirror

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
www.nderf.org   Regards, Anthony --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 1:16 AM Anthony, Give me the nderf link again and I'll take

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
, Anthony --- On Fri, 10/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 6:54 AM Hi Anthony- I think the best way is to concentrate on what's happening right here, right

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread mike brown
PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 8:20:54 Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Hi Mike- R.H. Blyth: Zen does not mean not fearing; it means not fearing to fear. I think your understanding is more colored by Buddhism than mine. Which is wonderful and fine

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Edgar Owen
, Anthony --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 1:16 AM Anthony, Give me the nderf link again and I'll take a look. Edgar On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:19

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Margie,   Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in peace without any kind of morality.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
'just it'. Or Buddha nature, which not everybody follows. You can say everybody has Buddha nature, but when it comes to performance, the opposite is frequently true.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
to say anything, then I agree to keep silent.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:03 AM Hi anthony; I can understand your troubles

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Margie,   Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and avoid turmoil'.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday

RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread BillSmart
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Hi Margie, Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in peace without any kind of morality. Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re

RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Like I said, you have something deeper.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:15 AM Anthony

RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread BillSmart
] Re: Aging and Zen Hi Margie, Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and avoid turmoil'. Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum

RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread BillSmart
: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:44 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen Mayka- Morals are just a set of arbitrary rules imposed by society, culture, religion, etc. They are meaningless. They are empty concepts. And they differ hugely from culture to culture. This creates

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Chris,   I am a non-atheist that is also an ego-maniac. I hesitate to add a qualification of 'evil'.   Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 8/10/08, cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 8 October

RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread BillSmart
Mac A. Roni, I'll respond to your recent post line by line, but first I want to make sure we're both talking about the same thing when we talk about the ability to determine right from wrong. It appears you use the term 'morality' for that, and so do I. I define 'morality' the same way it is