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2010-11-28 Thread BillSmart
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, You say: Put on your own oxygen mask before attempting to help others, but don't exit the airplane until everyone else is also ready to go. Anthony: Does 'everyone else' include those died, because you failed to help them put

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-27 Thread Anthony Wu
billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 27 November, 2010, 10:16 AM   Anthony, You are right that it is logically impossible to save all sentient beings, but saving

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2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
[mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 4:16 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book ED, You say: Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone? My suggestion: fly to Dharamsala and ask Dalai Lama. (It is an essential

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2010-11-26 Thread Anthony Wu
--- On Fri, 26/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 6:22 PM   ED, I believe Mahayana Buddhism teaches that you should

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2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
? Do you think these two terms describe the same experience? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:47 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, 'First

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2010-11-26 Thread Anthony Wu
--- On Sat, 27/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 27 November, 2010, 12:02 AM   Anthony, I’ll repeat again that it is my understanding

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2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 4:20 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Yes, I used the two terms too loosely. They should represent different ideas. For instance, Sakyamuni got enlightened first, before

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2010-11-25 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   You say: Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone?   My suggestion: fly to Dharamsala and ask Dalai Lama. (It is an essential mahayana teaching that you should help others before helping yourself.)   Anthony --- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED

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2010-11-25 Thread Lluís Mendieta
his miopy looking at sun, as per a something that erases all dismissing mentions to it in internet prayed. With best wishes Lluís - Original Message - From: Anthony Wu To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon

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2010-11-25 Thread Anthony Wu
Llius,   It is impossible to transcend words, unless you wanted to go lower than my IQ.   Anthony --- On Fri, 26/11/10, Lluís Mendieta lme...@intermail.es wrote: From: Lluís Mendieta lme...@intermail.es Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 26

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2010-11-24 Thread Anthony Wu
not work out well.   Anthony --- On Wed, 24/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 12:25 PM   Anthony, I’m going

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2010-11-24 Thread BillSmart
about 'we/us', I asked about YOU. Why do YOU need a deterrent against atrocities to... Sorry...Bill! Anthony --- On Wed, 24/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum

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2010-11-24 Thread Anthony Wu
...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 10:06 AM   Anthony, My comments are embedded below: Bill, Under your guidance, I lost my ability to commit atrocities. But the whole human socieity

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2010-11-23 Thread Anthony Wu
Kristy,   Thank you. Can you explain further who is Blaise Pascal?   Anthony --- On Tue, 23/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 8:20

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-23 Thread BillSmart
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:02 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Then I answer you as follows: We need a deterrent to make Hitler and the like gentle lambs, so that they can be your companions

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2010-11-22 Thread BillSmart
Kristy, You could say the same about Jesus…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristy McClain Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:49 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Gentlemen, God, it was good! Sadly

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2010-11-22 Thread Anthony Wu
healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 5:42 AM   Anthony,     I don't think you are wrong at all  about this.  I'm not a Catholic, but the Pope has a lot

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2010-11-22 Thread Anthony Wu
of karma?    I will look for the biography you mentioned.  Thanks!   Kristy --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:16 PM

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2010-11-22 Thread Anthony Wu
wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 10:10 AM   Anthony, You're easily shocked! You've mixed two classes of religions here: Buddhism that teaches karma and the family

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2010-11-22 Thread Anthony Wu
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 12:23 PM   Anthony, In the paragraph below you say ‘…we need a deterrent against atrocities…’. Why do YOU (not Pol Pot, not Hitler, not Chris, not Bill!) need a deterrent against atrocities

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2010-11-22 Thread Kristy McClain
...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 12:06 PM   Kristy,   I think you are saying you are an agnostic. Many are the same. Deep in my heart, I hold the same point of view

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2010-11-22 Thread Lluís Mendieta
wishes Lluís - Original Message - From: Kristy McClain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Anthony, I don't have, or really need a theory. I do not believe we had previous

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2010-11-22 Thread BillSmart
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Before I answer your question, please answer the following first: Who says even if God did not exist, we should create one. Why did he say that? Anthony --- On Mon, 22/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-22 Thread Anthony Wu
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 6:03 AM    Hi, all   Not zen, just meaning   -Beleiving is the confirmation that we do not know. If you know, you do not beleive, you *know* -As my teacher in inorganic chemistry said we

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-22 Thread Anthony Wu
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 7:47 AM   Anthony, I do not know who said that. I have heard it before however. I’ll guess either Karl Marx or Frederic Nietzsche…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo

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2010-11-22 Thread Kristy McClain
if you're wrong? He replied, Then I still win.  They told him it  didn't quite work that way.   Back to my grant...k --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday

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2010-11-22 Thread Kristy McClain
Bill / Anthony,   You did not ask me this, but now I'm curious.  I thought that  Blaise Pascal wrote this.  k --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday

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2010-11-22 Thread BillSmart
book Bill / Anthony, You did not ask me this, but now I'm curious. I thought that Blaise Pascal wrote this. k --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday

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2010-11-22 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, Hey! That’s not fair! I did answer your question. My answer was ‘I don’t know’. From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

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2010-11-21 Thread Kristy McClain
: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 9:31 PM   On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:18, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: Gosh-- I didn't realize you lived

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-21 Thread Anthony Wu
the Land of the Red Guard --- On Sun, 21/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday

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2010-11-21 Thread Kristy McClain
Ed,   Yes, I know this-- but you didn't really address my question.   How can you  be certain these accounts are the divine intentions of God?  Could they reflect mankind trying to understand the world around them, and assert their perceptions are inspired by God?    My  point is--  Maybe its

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2010-11-21 Thread Anthony Wu
: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 10:20 AM   Ed,   I certainly respect your position on this, but after looking at the link you gave, I have a queston...   If  the Bible and other events were recorded by mortal humans, how can

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2010-11-21 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   There is a difference between the Hitler/Pol Pot group and the likes of GWB/Blair. The former intentionally kill and torture innocent, while the latter think it is an unfortunate result of thier 'justified' actions.   Anthony Advocate of evil capitalism. --- On Sun, 21/11/10, ED

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2010-11-21 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   I have yet to see a party who effects tit for tat for massive collateral damage.   On the other hand, you are right in saying some 'illusory' action can result in very real pain and suffering. I suggest a test for illusion. Get a needle and stab it into your thigh. If you think it is just

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2010-11-21 Thread Kristy McClain
: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:09 PM   Kristy,   The problem is the Pope still thinks the Old Testament, which is full of horrifying stories, is part of Christianity. If I am wrong, please

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2010-11-21 Thread Kristy McClain
/18/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:16 PM   Kristy,   It is not true that belief in karma creates fear rather than compassion

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2010-11-21 Thread BillSmart
: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, I am shocked that you think karma can be invalidated by worshipping God! Anthony --- On Sat, 20/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum

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2010-11-21 Thread BillSmart
, 2010 9:20 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Ed, I certainly respect your position on this, but after looking at the link you gave, I have a queston... If the Bible and other events were recorded by mortal humans, how can you be certain these accounts

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2010-11-21 Thread BillSmart
ED, If you maintain “…there will always be a reciprocating ‘tit for tat’…”, are you saying that there can be no end to this? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:20 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject:

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2010-11-21 Thread BillSmart
, November 22, 2010 4:03 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, If Hitler and Pol Pot were alive, they would not testify whether their conscience suffered. On the other hand, Hitler would have continued his nightmares without killing 10 million Jews

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2010-11-21 Thread Kristy McClain
Gentlemen,   God, it was good!  Sadly, the evidence no longer exists... k --- On Sun, 11/21/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 21

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2010-11-20 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Karma applies with the same force to those who commit atrocities and those who revenge themselves. Suicide bombing can only prolong the working of karma.   Contrary to what you say, the UK played a different role in the 1940s. They withdrew leaving weapons and materials to the Arab, while

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-20 Thread Anthony Wu
...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 20 November, 2010, 9:23 AM   As most of you already know I believe karma as understood of a kind of 'spiritual cause-and-effect' is illusory - both the short- and long

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-20 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I am shocked that you think karma can be invalidated by worshipping God!   Anthony --- On Sat, 20/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date

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2010-11-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 20, 2010, at 13:03, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Bill, Chris' theory applies to you and Chris himself, but not to someone like Hitler or Pol Pot. They committed atrocities without compunction. No suffering in any part

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2010-11-20 Thread Kristy McClain
Ed,   I certainly respect your position on this, but after looking at the link you gave, I have a queston...   If  the Bible and other events were recorded by mortal humans, how can you  be certain these accounts are the divine intentions of God?  Could they reflect mankind trying to understand

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2010-11-20 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:18, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: Gosh-- I didn't realize you lived in CA. For some reason, I thought you lived in MD. I have been in California only two years and on this list constantly refer to my Maryland teacher and Sangha as I have not found a

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2010-11-19 Thread Anthony Wu
...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 9:28 AM   On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:23, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Your action

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-19 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Again I acclaim your good presentation on karma.   After all, what do you believe and act. Would you embrace Abrahamic religion to enjoy bypassing of karma, and further 72 virgins?   Anthony --- On Fri, 19/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject:

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2010-11-19 Thread BillSmart
of merit. If I were to believe in karma it would be something along these lines. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Austin-Lane Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 6:11 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

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2010-11-19 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, That’s me! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:13 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, You are not alone. We see the world the way

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2010-11-18 Thread Anthony Wu
Chris,   You already posted sufficiently, so I retract my effort. Thank you.   Anthony --- On Thu, 18/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Cc

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2010-11-18 Thread Anthony Wu
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 9:57 AM   Anthony, No THEORY or CONCEPT is absolutely any better than another. One theory may fit the observed 'facts' better in one circumstance, and another competing theory may fit

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2010-11-18 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Good moderation.   Anthony --- On Thu, 18/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 10:03 AM   Anthony, If you

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2010-11-18 Thread Kristy McClain
...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:19 PM   Kristy,   I don't mean to start a new thread, but you can deny karma, as much as you do Newton's Law. However, you keep seeing things that cannot be explained away

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2010-11-18 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ignore gravity and fly in the sky. Anthony --- On *Thu, 18/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 5:25 AM Anthony

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2010-11-18 Thread Kristy McClain
/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:19 PM   Kristy,   I don't mean to start a new thread, but you can deny karma, as much as you do

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2010-11-18 Thread Anthony Wu
you believe?   Anthony --- On Fri, 19/11/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 7:02 AM   Anthony,   One problem I have  with karma

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2010-11-18 Thread Anthony Wu
, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:19 PM   Kristy,   I don't mean to start a new thread, but you can deny karma, as much as you do Newton's

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2010-11-18 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:23, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Your action has immediate consequences, as well as those afterwards. Worrying about those long term effects strikes me as being like worrying about what is the outcome of history or life. Who knows. (Worrying here in the sense

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2010-11-18 Thread ChrisAustinLane
Ok. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 18, 2010, at 13:10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: You already posted sufficiently, so I retract my effort. Thank you. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or

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2010-11-17 Thread Maria Lopez
Hi Anthony:   I have anything to add to JMJM  peaceful mail.    Mayka         --- On Tue, 16/11/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 16

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2010-11-17 Thread Maria Lopez
Bill:   You would have been in your right not to give a reply to malicious posting.    Mayka --- On Wed, 17/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date

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2010-11-17 Thread Maria Lopez
ED; Your insults are no more than the evidence of what you're really about. To be honest with you,  if I would a moderator on this website I would put your posting under moderation. We don't go to your blog or to your Jewish Church to create discord or spread poison.  But you've been doing that

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2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
ED: Your posts do have a tendency to come off as being sly and a bit mean, despite your claim to have transcended karma, I mean Judeo-Christian notions of morality. You will recall that Mayka's posts also rub some people the wrong way, a phenomenon that has been thoroughly dissected here

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2010-11-17 Thread Maria Lopez
is to create discord and be destructive. Mayka      --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 15:18

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2010-11-17 Thread Rose P
Hi Ed You said: '...truths emerge...'? Really? Rose --- On Wed, 11/17/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:41 PM  

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2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:41, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: I do believe that the way you experience me and others is reality for you. That seems fundamentally wrong to me. There is just reality. You can try to cut reality into That other persons reality anytime we try to let you know

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 15:18 ED: Your posts do have a tendency to come off as being sly

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi ED, I don't find anyone strange. Just delusional, including myself. We are all the same. All perception is a mental act of the ego, because perception is based on transient form. No one should make anyone sit up and take notice of anyone. The least is me, I don't deserve no notice.

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Maria Lopez
Chris: ED is right here.  I could have choose to be quiet but I didn't.  I knew what I was doing at the time of posting.  And if public posting have prevented a more escalated damage in the forum, I'm more than happy to receive the insults.  They do not affect me in the least. They're just

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi ED, You have been quoting a lot from the dictionary. Is this where you find truth? Mayka has asked you numerous times, what is your personal insight? What do you experience? I have yet to read your answer. You have commented, analyzed, or perhaps even criticized posts from other

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Thank you, Ed. Very clear now. By now everyone in the forum has learned from your posting. Whatever I posted has no value. Awakening got to come from within for everyone of us. And each of us is unique. Each journey is unique. Do experience your own. It is amazing once you try. Just

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Maria Lopez
JMJM;   Thank you very much for the compassionate heart behind your posting.  ED ignorance shines in his reply to you.  A bit of internet garbage feeding the lotus flower.  ^_^ Mayka     --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re:

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Bodhidharma was not bored by 'just this', so he sat facing the wall for nine years, though a naughty boy pricked his arm with a needle from time to time. That is why he is the First Patriarch.   Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Anthony Wu
Chris,   I want you to post more. How do I upset you more?   Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Anthony Wu
healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 5:25 AM   Anthony,   That simply proves that God has a good sense of humor.   Kristy --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Anthony

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
. Anthony --- On *Wed, 17/11/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 /chan.j...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 6:20 AM Anthony, Your

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 11:18 PM ED: Your posts do have a tendency to come off as being sly and a bit mean

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread BillSmart
, no theories, Just THIS! ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:21 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Kristy, If karma did not exist, why were you born a smart

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-17 Thread ChrisAustinLane
] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, I want you to post more. How do I upset you more? Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Maria Lopez
ED:   Thank you for both links.  It's been particularly interesting reading controversial Brad W reply in connection with Big Mind and Genpo Roshi...and my conclusion about the whole thing is,  that hearts feel profoundly grateful for having found Thich Nhat Hanh dharma in those years in which

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Maria Lopez
...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 11:17   ED:   Thank you for both links.  It's been particularly interesting reading controversial Brad W reply in connection

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Kristy McClain
has  his own blog on exercise  prescription.   Have a super day..   Kristy      --- On Mon, 11/15/10, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 15, 2010

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Maria Lopez
ED;   It sounds as a healthy approach. Let's just hope that the fun won't be at the expenses of anyone.   Thank you for not taking an offence for the direct questioning. It says a lot of good about you.   Mayka --- On Tue, 16/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Anthony Wu
.   Anthony --- On Tue, 16/11/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 7:17 PM   ED:   Thank you for both links.  It's been

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Kristy McClain
Ed,   Well then, it seems we all are underwhelmed by Gempo...k --- On Tue, 11/16/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:43 AM   Kristy, My (slight)

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Kristy McClain
Anthony,   You are starting with a premise that karma exists. How do you know it does?  k  --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 1:13

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
, 16/11/10, Maria Lopez /flordel...@btinternet.com/* wrote: From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 7:17 PM /ED:/ / / /Thank you for both links. It's been

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-16 Thread BillSmart
:08 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Ed, Well then, it seems we all are underwhelmed by Gempo...k --- On Tue, 11/16/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-15 Thread Anthony Wu
...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 15 November, 2010, 11:58 AM   Anthony,   Not to interrupt the dialogue here, but I happened to see this when searching a medical topic.  *!*??($...@^    Have you read this?  I'm assuming no one

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-15 Thread Kristy McClain
: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 2:54 PM   Kristy,   If you are conducting a survey, I am a 1 star, dragging down the number.   I am interested in the Buddhist exploration of sex. Probably you can give a short description

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-15 Thread ChrisAustinLane
expertise.. Be well, Kristy --- On Mon, 11/15/10, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 2:54 PM Kristy, If you are conducting a survey, I

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-15 Thread Kristy McClain
...@yahoo.com.sg Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 2:54 PM   Kristy,   If you are conducting a survey, I am a 1 star, dragging down the number.   I am interested in the Buddhist exploration of sex. Probably you can give a short

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-15 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.comwrote: Chris, To the contrary. I do not recommend Big Mind , necessarily. In fact, I have said here that it is not a process that works for me. It seems a bit like group therapy, but not about zen. I know it well, as I

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-14 Thread Kristy McClain
Anthony,   Not to interrupt the dialogue here, but I happened to see this when searching a medical topic.  *!*??($...@^    Have you read this?  I'm assuming no one here is buying from Amazon...   Have a good week:)  k     Sex, Sin, and Zen: A Buddhist Exploration of Sex from Celibacy to

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-14 Thread BillSmart
: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:59 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Anthony, Not to interrupt the dialogue here, but I happened to see this when searching a medical topic. *!*??($...@^ Have you read this? I'm assuming no one here is buying from

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-14 Thread Kristy McClain
or don't we?   But actually, I was just asking Anthony  if he knew of this book?   Be well:)   Kristy --- On Sun, 11/14/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-14 Thread ChrisAustinLane
I have read this. I have read all of his books. He has a certain punk style of writing that will put off some, but this book is basically a straightforward discussion of various apparent dilemmas of sexuality for modern Western Buddhists. Brad Warner is from a Soto Zen lineage, and pretty

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