Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-25 Thread rbs000
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, jasonzavoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Hindrances? There is nothing to abandon. There is something to abandon. Self-grasping. Zen rap says what self? Whatever self is still clung to. Zen rap says, Oh ho, but there is no self to cling to! Excellent!

Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-25 Thread Frank Gorin
It's easy to sound clever about Zen based on reading and attempts at practice, and easy to imitate phrases found in koans and their commentaries and in mass market "Zen" books. It's much harder actually to deal with the hindrances - sensual desire, anger, laziness, remorse and skeptical

Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-23 Thread jasonzavoda
What Hindrances? There is nothing to abandon. Zen has already snuck, sneaked, snooked, in. No tickets needed. hehe. See, just from reading a couple of Zen books I can do the Zen rap as good as anyone. I'm outta here, master of you all. Gassho Yahoo! Groups

RE: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-22 Thread Bill Smart
On Wednesday, June 21 donald hwong (JMJM) wrote: [...introductory portion snipped...] [JMJM...]Is there a disconnect in the teachings after 2500 years? Is there one true which is also all? Or is it important? Importance is a relative term. For those who wish to paint-by-number these teachings,

RE: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-22 Thread donald hwong
Well stated, Bill. We shall continue alone these subjects some other day.All is Zen, everything we posted, you, me as well as everyone else are all Zen.These are all menifestation of Zen. Branches of the tree and not its life force.To be more "wordly correct", Zen is all. How is that?Thank you

RE: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-22 Thread donald hwong
Hi Bill,After reading my own post, I believe what I meant to say is that:"Zen is in all, but all is not Zen."It is hard to express a "sense or awareness".Anyhow, these are just words. Though nothing I've posted is important, you still manage to respond everytime. I truly have learnt and

RE: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-21 Thread Bill Smart
On Tuesday, June 20 kahtychen wrote: [Kahty...]Zen is five ... and six, ... and sometimes even fifty one. Yesterday when I was doing dishes, zen was fourteen. Beautiful! Crisp! To-the-point. No clouds. No fog. No smoke and mirrors. Thank you...Bill! Yahoo!

RE: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-21 Thread Bill Smart
On Wednesday, June 21 rbs000 (Ian) wrote: [Ian...]One, five, fifty one... I also don't see why we need to attach too much importance to one. It seems to me that if the mind makes one then there's one. If the mind makes two then there's two. And when the mind isn't making one or two or even

RE: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-21 Thread donald hwong
Good morning Bill and Cathy,If we detach from the "perceived general definitions of Zen", couldn't five or six or fifty one be just menifestations and messages of Zen at that moment of witness relative to that moment only, which is impermanant and transient, which may be received only by our

Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-21 Thread Frank Gorin
From: rbs000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:22:31 AM Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ... == I'd certainly like to hear what anyone thinks after reading this sutta: http://www.accessto insight.org/ tipitaka/ dn/dn.09. 0.than.html Hmm

Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-20 Thread kahtychen
one of the five poisons of our mind the Six Patriarch certain number of ways, statements, encounters, relationships, events, etc. 2,500 years of Buddhism Zen is One Zen is five ... and six, ... and sometimes even fifty one. Yesterday when I was doing dishes, zen was fourteen. :-) This can

Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...

2006-06-20 Thread rbs000
One, five, fifty one... I also don't see why we need to attach too much importance to one. It seems to me that if the mind makes one then there's one. If the mind makes two then there's two. And when the mind isn't making one or two or even zero ... then what? Doesn't seem particularly