Re: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being
I don't get it Merle, you were the one who escaped from Bangkok to London. You said you couldn't stand the poverty, suffering and all that? Anyway, it doesn't matter to me. Whatever your style is, it is between you and yourself.. Siska Sent from Samsung tabletMerle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska... see no evil... hear no evil...and the third one?...sweep all the inequality under the carpet...and follow i'm alright jack mantra... that's not my style..merle Merle, But that's the real practice isn't it, to stay balanced no matter what is ahead you, and also to not pass our judgement on anything ;-) Siska From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being siska... yes bangkok... what stumps me is that buddhist countries, e.g. cambodia burma are so violent and anti- practising buddhism... i was stunned by bangkok,,the degree of corruption, the desire for material wealth, the sex trade..the contrast between rich and poor.. even in 1974 it's so nice to see the temples...so nice to hear ..to believe.. but what actually get's into practise?... i see corruption, i see rampart greed...wrong practises... another reason india scares me shitless is the untouchables.. what a way to treat people..what a mind set..it makes me ill...it all makes me ill... the mind set of the human being who exploits others be they christian buddhist jew muslim etc... or even zen buddhists... all bad news... so much hypocrisy so much evil human behaviour... and then i read here i have to see all this as an illusion.. WHAT.. get real..it's real..that is reality edgar... and i'm suppose to go into some state..loose myself and not be real and all is honky dory...?... huh?..i don't get it... enlightenment..if it means loosing ones sense of responsibility for others... forget it.. what truly is enlightenment?..something to hang on to when the going gets tough.. the ah moment...the moment when we are free of ourselves?.. huh? enlightenment is knowing..that about sums it up for me.. just plain and simple knowing..and being. .. zen... to me is the ah moment... no rules .. free... knowing and being... intertwined... and then as joe says practising. knowing and being merle Merle, If you couldn't survive Jakarta and Thailand (I simply assume you meant bangkok), then I guess it was a good decision you did not proceed to India. But you missed Bodh Gaya, one of the most impressive places I ever been. Why I came to zen was nothing special. I have had meditation practice with other traditions for a while before I had a chance to attend a session with Guo Jun fashi, disciple of Joe's teacher. Around the same time, I came to like koans more and more. Inexplicably, they make more sense to me than the Suttas (the Pali Suttas). So, I joined this forum to learn more about zen. I'm not sure if I could call myself zen, but looks like my current practice is similar to Bill's description of zazen and shikantaza. Siska Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska..i spent 2 weeks here... see link..t his is were i bought the artwork... yes indonesia was very colourful..and vibrant as i said in previous post however the extreme poverty made me ill.. i am unable to witness people suffering.. the plan was to go forward to burma and india after thailand however the poverty and suffering was too much for me to bare.. plus i was at 28 pregnant with my first child.. so it was off to london..and roast beef with all the trimmings..i was so so craving for western food .. now i am totally addicted to asian food especially chinese... oh i spent 2 weeks in singapore in 1974 as well... what is your story if i maybe so bold to ask and how did you come about to be zen?... merle http://www.javafred.net/rd_sriwahnyi_1.htm
Re: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being
siska.. hallo i was pregnant for a start..and it's not my country... here in australia i support governments that help people..i care... what's happening in jakarta ...still the great division between rich and poor?..and do you care? merle I don't get it Merle, you were the one who escaped from Bangkok to London. You said you couldn't stand the poverty, suffering and all that? Anyway, it doesn't matter to me. Whatever your style is, it is between you and yourself.. Siska Sent from Samsung tablet Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska... see no evil... hear no evil...and the third one?...sweep all the inequality under the carpet...and follow i'm alright jack mantra... that's not my style..merle Merle, But that's the real practice isn't it, to stay balanced no matter what is ahead you, and also to not pass our judgement on anything ;-) Siska From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being siska... yes bangkok... what stumps me is that buddhist countries, e.g. cambodia burma are so violent and anti- practising buddhism... i was stunned by bangkok,,the degree of corruption, the desire for material wealth, the sex trade..the contrast between rich and poor.. even in 1974 it's so nice to see the temples...so nice to hear ..to believe.. but what actually get's into practise?... i see corruption, i see rampart greed...wrong practises... another reason india scares me shitless is the untouchables.. what a way to treat people..what a mind set..it makes me ill...it all makes me ill... the mind set of the human being who exploits others be they christian buddhist jew muslim etc... or even zen buddhists... all bad news... so much hypocrisy so much evil human behaviour... and then i read here i have to see all this as an illusion.. WHAT.. get real..it's real..that is reality edgar... and i'm suppose to go into some state..loose myself and not be real and all is honky dory...?... huh?..i don't get it... enlightenment..if it means loosing ones sense of responsibility for others... forget it.. what truly is enlightenment?..something to hang on to when the going gets tough.. the ah moment...the moment when we are free of ourselves?.. huh? enlightenment is knowing..that about sums it up for me.. just plain and simple knowing..and being. .. zen... to me is the ah moment... no rules .. free... knowing and being... intertwined... and then as joe says practising. knowing and being merle Merle, If you couldn't survive Jakarta and Thailand (I simply assume you meant bangkok), then I guess it was a good decision you did not proceed to India. But you missed Bodh Gaya, one of the most impressive places I ever been. Why I came to zen was nothing special. I have had meditation practice with other traditions for a while before I had a chance to attend a session with Guo Jun fashi, disciple of Joe's teacher. Around the same time, I came to like koans more and more. Inexplicably, they make more sense to me than the Suttas (the Pali Suttas). So, I joined this forum to learn more about zen. I'm not sure if I could call myself zen, but looks like my current practice is similar to Bill's description of zazen and shikantaza. Siska Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska..i spent 2 weeks here... see link..t his is were i bought the artwork... yes indonesia was very colourful..and vibrant as i said in previous post however the extreme poverty made me ill.. i am unable to witness people suffering.. the plan was to go forward to burma and india after thailand however the poverty and suffering was too much for me to bare.. plus i was at 28 pregnant with my first child.. so it was off to london..and roast beef with all the trimmings..i was so so craving for western food .. now i am totally addicted to asian food especially chinese... oh i spent 2 weeks in singapore in 1974 as well... what is your story if i maybe so bold to ask and how did you come about to be zen?... merle http://www.javafred.net/rd_sriwahnyi_1.htm
Re: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being
Merle, I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. I don't see this going anywhere or beneficial to my practice. You can have it your way, whatever it is Siska -Original Message- From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 02:08:52 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being siska.. hallo i was pregnant for a start..and it's not my country... here in australia i support governments that help people..i care... what's happening in jakarta ...still the great division between rich and poor?..and do you care? merle I don't get it Merle, you were the one who escaped from Bangkok to London. You said you couldn't stand the poverty, suffering and all that? Anyway, it doesn't matter to me. Whatever your style is, it is between you and yourself.. Siska Sent from Samsung tablet Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska... see no evil... hear no evil...and the third one?...sweep all the inequality under the carpet...and follow i'm alright jack mantra... that's not my style..merle Merle, But that's the real practice isn't it, to stay balanced no matter what is ahead you, and also to not pass our judgement on anything ;-) Siska From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being siska... yes bangkok... what stumps me is that buddhist countries, e.g. cambodia burma are so violent and anti- practising buddhism... i was stunned by bangkok,,the degree of corruption, the desire for material wealth, the sex trade..the contrast between rich and poor.. even in 1974 it's so nice to see the temples...so nice to hear ..to believe.. but what actually get's into practise?... i see corruption, i see rampart greed...wrong practises... another reason india scares me shitless is the untouchables.. what a way to treat people..what a mind set..it makes me ill...it all makes me ill... the mind set of the human being who exploits others be they christian buddhist jew muslim etc... or even zen buddhists... all bad news... so much hypocrisy so much evil human behaviour... and then i read here i have to see all this as an illusion.. WHAT.. get real..it's real..that is reality edgar... and i'm suppose to go into some state..loose myself and not be real and all is honky dory...?... huh?..i don't get it... enlightenment..if it means loosing ones sense of responsibility for others... forget it.. what truly is enlightenment?..something to hang on to when the going gets tough.. the ah moment...the moment when we are free of ourselves?.. huh? enlightenment is knowing..that about sums it up for me.. just plain and simple knowing..and being. .. zen... to me is the ah moment... no rules .. free... knowing and being... intertwined... and then as joe says practising. knowing and being merle Merle, If you couldn't survive Jakarta and Thailand (I simply assume you meant bangkok), then I guess it was a good decision you did not proceed to India. But you missed Bodh Gaya, one of the most impressive places I ever been. Why I came to zen was nothing special. I have had meditation practice with other traditions for a while before I had a chance to attend a session with Guo Jun fashi, disciple of Joe's teacher. Around the same time, I came to like koans more and more. Inexplicably, they make more sense to me than the Suttas (the Pali Suttas). So, I joined this forum to learn more about zen. I'm not sure if I could call myself zen, but looks like my current practice is similar to Bill's description of zazen and shikantaza. Siska Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska..i spent 2 weeks here... see link..t his is were i bought the artwork... yes indonesia was very colourful..and vibrant as i said in previous post however the extreme poverty made me ill.. i am unable to witness people suffering.. the plan was to go forward to burma and india after thailand however the poverty and suffering was too much for me to bare.. plus i was at 28 pregnant with my first child.. so it was off to london..and roast beef with all the trimmings..i was so so craving for western food .. now i am totally addicted to asian food especially chinese... oh i spent 2 weeks in singapore in 1974 as well... what is your story if i maybe so bold to ask and how did you come about to be zen?... merle http://www.javafred.net/rd_sriwahnyi_1.htm
Re: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being
Merle, I think you misread, there, Siska's good observation. Siska is giving good counsel. Even on the battlefield, soldiers do as Siska says: ...stay balanced no matter what is ahead you It's a matter of life and death! For everyone. Not just soldiers. Balance is not sweeping under a carpet! It is shouldering your tools (or weapon). We cannot just fold up like a house of cards. No matter what. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: siska... see no evil... hear no evil...and the third one?...sweep all the inequality under the carpet...and follow i'm alright jack mantra... that's not my style..merle But that's the real practice isn't it, to stay balanced no matter what is ahead you, and also to not pass our judgement on anything ;-) Siska Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being
Merle, But that's the real practice isn't it, to stay balanced no matter what is ahead you, and also to not pass our judgement on anything ;-) Siska -Original Message- From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:05:42 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being siska... yes bangkok... what stumps me is that buddhist countries, e.g. cambodia burma are so violent and anti- practising buddhism... i was stunned by bangkok,,the degree of corruption, the desire for material wealth, the sex trade..the contrast between rich and poor.. even in 1974 it's so nice to see the temples...so nice to hear ..to believe.. but what actually get's into practise?... i see corruption, i see rampart greed...wrong practises... another reason india scares me shitless is the untouchables.. what a way to treat people..what a mind set..it makes me ill...it all makes me ill... the mind set of the human being who exploits others be they christian buddhist jew muslim etc... or even zen buddhists... all bad news... so much hypocrisy so much evil human behaviour... and then i read here i have to see all this as an illusion.. WHAT.. get real..it's real..that is reality edgar... and i'm suppose to go into some state..loose myself and not be real and all is honky dory...?... huh?..i don't get it... enlightenment..if it means loosing ones sense of responsibility for others... forget it.. what truly is enlightenment?..something to hang on to when the going gets tough.. the ah moment...the moment when we are free of ourselves?.. huh? enlightenment is knowing..that about sums it up for me.. just plain and simple knowing..and being. .. zen... to me is the ah moment... no rules .. free... knowing and being... intertwined... and then as joe says practising. knowing and being merle Merle, If you couldn't survive Jakarta and Thailand (I simply assume you meant bangkok), then I guess it was a good decision you did not proceed to India. But you missed Bodh Gaya, one of the most impressive places I ever been. Why I came to zen was nothing special. I have had meditation practice with other traditions for a while before I had a chance to attend a session with Guo Jun fashi, disciple of Joe's teacher. Around the same time, I came to like koans more and more. Inexplicably, they make more sense to me than the Suttas (the Pali Suttas). So, I joined this forum to learn more about zen. I'm not sure if I could call myself zen, but looks like my current practice is similar to Bill's description of zazen and shikantaza. Siska Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska..i spent 2 weeks here... see link..t his is were i bought the artwork... yes indonesia was very colourful..and vibrant as i said in previous post however the extreme poverty made me ill.. i am unable to witness people suffering.. the plan was to go forward to burma and india after thailand however the poverty and suffering was too much for me to bare.. plus i was at 28 pregnant with my first child.. so it was off to london..and roast beef with all the trimmings..i was so so craving for western food .. now i am totally addicted to asian food especially chinese... oh i spent 2 weeks in singapore in 1974 as well... what is your story if i maybe so bold to ask and how did you come about to be zen?... merle http://www.javafred.net/rd_sriwahnyi_1.htm
Re: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being
siska... see no evil... hear no evil...and the third one?...sweep all the inequality under the carpet...and follow i'm alright jack mantra... that's not my style..merle Merle, But that's the real practice isn't it, to stay balanced no matter what is ahead you, and also to not pass our judgement on anything ;-) Siska From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.comZen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] the honky dory of knowing and being siska... yes bangkok... what stumps me is that buddhist countries, e.g. cambodia burma are so violent and anti- practising buddhism... i was stunned by bangkok,,the degree of corruption, the desire for material wealth, the sex trade..the contrast between rich and poor.. even in 1974 it's so nice to see the temples...so nice to hear ..to believe.. but what actually get's into practise?... i see corruption, i see rampart greed...wrong practises... another reason india scares me shitless is the untouchables.. what a way to treat people..what a mind set..it makes me ill...it all makes me ill... the mind set of the human being who exploits others be they christian buddhist jew muslim etc... or even zen buddhists... all bad news... so much hypocrisy so much evil human behaviour... and then i read here i have to see all this as an illusion.. WHAT.. get real..it's real..that is reality edgar... and i'm suppose to go into some state..loose myself and not be real and all is honky dory...?... huh?..i don't get it... enlightenment..if it means loosing ones sense of responsibility for others... forget it.. what truly is enlightenment?..something to hang on to when the going gets tough.. the ah moment...the moment when we are free of ourselves?.. huh? enlightenment is knowing..that about sums it up for me.. just plain and simple knowing..and being. .. zen... to me is the ah moment... no rules .. free... knowing and being... intertwined... and then as joe says practising. knowing and being merle Merle, If you couldn't survive Jakarta and Thailand (I simply assume you meant bangkok), then I guess it was a good decision you did not proceed to India. But you missed Bodh Gaya, one of the most impressive places I ever been. Why I came to zen was nothing special. I have had meditation practice with other traditions for a while before I had a chance to attend a session with Guo Jun fashi, disciple of Joe's teacher. Around the same time, I came to like koans more and more. Inexplicably, they make more sense to me than the Suttas (the Pali Suttas). So, I joined this forum to learn more about zen. I'm not sure if I could call myself zen, but looks like my current practice is similar to Bill's description of zazen and shikantaza. Siska Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: siska..i spent 2 weeks here... see link..t his is were i bought the artwork... yes indonesia was very colourful..and vibrant as i said in previous post however the extreme poverty made me ill.. i am unable to witness people suffering.. the plan was to go forward to burma and india after thailand however the poverty and suffering was too much for me to bare.. plus i was at 28 pregnant with my first child.. so it was off to london..and roast beef with all the trimmings..i was so so craving for western food .. now i am totally addicted to asian food especially chinese... oh i spent 2 weeks in singapore in 1974 as well... what is your story if i maybe so bold to ask and how did you come about to be zen?... merle http://www.javafred.net/rd_sriwahnyi_1.htm
