Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-21 Thread Ross
My understanding of the root cause of these issues is that the vast majority are happening with consumer grade hardware that is reporting to ZFS that writes have succeeded, when in fact they are still in the cache. When that happens, ZFS believes the data is safely written, but a power cut or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Migrating a zfs pool to another server

2009-07-21 Thread Peter Farmer
Super! Does the export need to be called just before I import the pool to another server, or can the export be called at the time the pool is created? because in a fail over I wouldn't be able to export the pool before importing it. Thanks, Peter 2009/7/20 Daniel J. Priem

Re: [zfs-discuss] Migrating a zfs pool to another server

2009-07-21 Thread Scott Lawson
Peter Farmer wrote: Super! Does the export need to be called just before I import the pool to another server, Yes that is correct. or can the export be called at the time the pool is created? no. It must be done on the server that is exporting the pool so that it can be imported as Daniel

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption

2009-07-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
Roger wrote: Hello, I am new to Solaris. Several PDFs out there suggest any of the following: a) Solaris comes with 128bit encryption (full filesystem) b) Solaris supports full root encryption. Can you send a pointer to these please, because the information is not correct and I would like to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Understanding SAS/SATA Backplanes and Connectivity

2009-07-21 Thread F. Wessels
So to wrap it up. According to Will, a supermicro chassis using a single lsi expander connected to sata disks can utilize the wide sas port between hba and the chassis. (like a J4500 Richard mentioned. How much I like these systems (thumper etc), they're way out of my budget.) Will did see more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Understanding SAS/SATA Backplanes and Connectivity

2009-07-21 Thread Adam Sherman
On 21-Jul-09, at 9:25 , F. Wessels wrote: So to wrap it up. According to Will, a supermicro chassis using a single lsi expander connected to sata disks can utilize the wide sas port between hba and the chassis. (like a J4500 Richard mentioned. How much I like these systems (thumper etc),

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Kyle McDonald
chris wrote: Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a sheet of lead?;-) (hopefully the lead itself won't be radioactive) I've been looking at the same thing recently. I found these 4 AM3 motherboard with optional ECC memory support. I don't know whether this means ECC works,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Another thing to remember is the expansion slots. You mentioned putting in a SATA controller for more drives, You'll want to make sure the board has a slot that can handle the card you want. If you're not using graphics then any board with a single PCI-E x16 slot should handle anything. But if you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-21 Thread George Wilson
Russel wrote: OK. So do we have an zpool import --xtg 56574 mypoolname or help to do it (script?) Russel We are working on the pool rollback mechanism and hope to have that soon. The ZFS team recognizes that not all hardware is created equal and thus the need for this mechanism. We are

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sun 6120 array again

2009-07-21 Thread Tschokko
Hi, I tried to contact Joel Miller, but the mail server responses User unknown :( Is there anybody else here who received the modified firmware based on 3.2.7 from Joel Miller? I have several 6120 arrays at home and I like to create a large ZFS pool over all disks without the built-in RAID

Re: [zfs-discuss] Understanding SAS/SATA Backplanes and Connectivity

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 6:25 AM, F. Wessels wrote: So to wrap it up. According to Will, a supermicro chassis using a single lsi expander connected to sata disks can utilize the wide sas port between hba and the chassis. (like a J4500 Richard mentioned. How much I like these systems (thumper

Re: [zfs-discuss] Something wrong with zfs mount

2009-07-21 Thread Andre Lue
Hi Ian, Thanks for the the reply. I will check your recommendation when I get a chance. However this happens on any zfs that have hierarchical zfs filesystems. I noticed it started this problem since snv_114. This same filesystem structure last worked fine with snv_110. -- This message posted

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Frank Middleton wrote: On 07/19/09 06:10 PM, Richard Elling wrote: Not that bad. Uncommitted ZFS data in memory does not tend to live that long. Writes are generally out to media in 30 seconds. Yes, but memory hits are instantaneous. On a reasonably busy system

Re: [zfs-discuss] Something wrong with zfs mount

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Andre Lue wrote: Hi Ian, Thanks for the the reply. I will check your recommendation when I get a chance. However this happens on any zfs that have hierarchical zfs filesystems. I noticed it started this problem since snv_114. This same filesystem structure

[zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
FYI, this is actually a pretty good article which talks about improvements in SSDs. Don't bet against Moore's Law :-) Intel boosts speed, cuts prices of solid-state drives http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10291582-64.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0 -- richard

Re: [zfs-discuss] Something wrong with zfs mount

2009-07-21 Thread Eoin Barry
You might be running into 6827199 - zfs mount -a performs mounts in the wrong order. There is a workaround contained in the bug (http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6827199) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Nathan Fiedler
Regarding the SATA card and the mainboard slots, make sure that whatever you get is compatible with the OS. In my case I chose OpenSolaris which lacks support for Promise SATA cards. As a result, my choices were very limited since I had chosen a Chenbro ES34069 case and Intel Little Falls 2

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: FYI, this is actually a pretty good article which talks about improvements in SSDs. Don't bet against Moore's Law :-) Intel boosts speed, cuts prices of solid-state drives http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10291582-64.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs destroy hanging

2009-07-21 Thread Moshe Vainer
Some more info - the system won't shutdown, issuing shutdown -g0 -i5 just sits there doing nothing. Then i tried to find locks on the savecore i took, - mdb crashes: mdb -k ./unix.1 ./vmcore.1 mdb: failed to read panicbuf and panic_reg -- current register set will be unavailable Loading

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs destroy hanging

2009-07-21 Thread Moshe Vainer
And pstack won't give stack on bootadm process: devu...@zfs05:/var/crash/zfs05# pstack 23870 23870: /sbin/bootadm -a update_all devu...@zfs05:/var/crash/zfs05# pstack -F 23870 23870: /sbin/bootadm -a update_all devu...@zfs05:/var/crash/zfs05# kill -9 23870 devu...@zfs05:/var/crash/zfs05# kill

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: FYI, this is actually a pretty good article which talks about improvements in SSDs. Don't bet against Moore's Law :-) Intel boosts speed, cuts prices of solid-state drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] Understanding SAS/SATA Backplanes and Connectivity

2009-07-21 Thread Marion Hakanson
asher...@versature.com said: And, on that subject, is there truly a difference between Seagate's line-up of 7200 RPM drives? They seem to now have a bunch: . . . Other manufacturers seem to have similar lineups. Is the difference going to matter to me when putting a mess of them into a SAS

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The X25-M drives referred to are Intel's Mainstream drives, using MLC flash. The Enterprise grade drives are X25-E, which currently use SLC flash (less dense, more reliable, much longer lasting/more writes). The expected lifetime is similar to an

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The X25-M drives referred to are Intel's Mainstream drives, using MLC flash. The Enterprise grade drives are X25-E, which currently use SLC flash (less dense, more reliable, much longer

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Matt Harrison
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The X25-M drives referred to are Intel's Mainstream drives, using MLC flash. The Enterprise grade drives are X25-E, which currently use SLC flash (less dense, more

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Ian Collins
On Wed 22/07/09 08:21 , Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com sent: On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: With wear leveling and zfs you would probably discover that the drive suddenly starts to wear out all at once once it reaches the end of its lifetime. Unless drive

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: With wear leveling and zfs you would probably discover that the drive suddenly starts to wear out all at once once it reaches the end of its lifetime. Unless drive ages are carefully staggered, or different types of drives are intentionally used,

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: With wear leveling and zfs you would probably discover that the drive suddenly starts to wear out all at once once it reaches the end of its lifetime. Unless drive ages are carefully staggered,

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Louis-Frédéric Feuillette
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 14:45 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance. Forgive my ignorance, but is this not exactly what a SSD ZIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance. I don't know many people who delete that much data continuously (I suspect that

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Louis-Frédéric Feuillette wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 14:45 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance. Forgive my ignorance, but is

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 02:45:57PM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes Or overwrite (since the overwrites turn in to COW writes of new blocks and the old blocks are released if not referred to from snapshot). of data a day on a ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Neal Pollack
On 07/21/09 03:00 PM, Nicolas Williams wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 02:45:57PM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes Or overwrite (since the overwrites turn in to COW writes of new blocks and the old blocks are released if

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Louis-Frédéric Feuillette wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 14:45 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Henry Lau
Where is the best space to read the latest support of ZFS with SSD and its roadmap as the latest ZFS release adds SSD management to ZFS. - Henry - Original Message From: Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com To: Louis-Frédéric Feuillette jeb...@gmail.com Cc:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Nicholas Lee
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM, chris no-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a sheet of lead?;-) (hopefully the lead itself won't be radioactive) I found these 4 AM3 motherboard with optional ECC memory support. I don't know whether this means

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Nicholas Lee
The i7 and Xeon 3300 m/b that say they have ECC support have exactly this problem as well. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nicholas Lee emptysa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM, chris no-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a