Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Arve Paalsrud
Not to forget the The Deneva Reliability disks from OCZ that just got released. See http://www.oczenterprise.com/details/ocz-deneva-reliability-2-5-emlc-ssd.htm l The Deneva Reliability family features built-in supercapacitor (SF-1500 models) that acts as a temporary power backup in the event of

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
Christopher George wrote: So why buy SSD for ZIL at all? For the record, not all SSDs ignore cache flushes. There are at least two SSDs sold today that guarantee synchronous write semantics; the Sun/Oracle LogZilla and the DDRdrive X1. Also, I believe it is more LogZilla? Are these

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
Arve Paalsrud wrote: Not to forget the The Deneva Reliability disks from OCZ that just got released. See http://www.oczenterprise.com/details/ocz-deneva-reliability-2-5-emlc-ssd.html The Deneva Reliability family features built-in supercapacitor (SF-1500 models) that acts as a temporary

[zfs-discuss] At what level does the “zfs ” directory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread MichaelHoy
I’ve posted a query regarding the visibility of snapshots via CIFS here (http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=130577tstart=0) however, I’m beginning to suspect that it may be a more fundamental ZFS question so I’m asking the same question here. At what level does the “zfs” directory

Re: [zfs-discuss] At what level does the “zfs” d irectory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread David Markey
I have done a similar deployment, However we gave each student their own ZFS filesystem. Each of which had a .zfs directory in it. On 16 June 2010 08:51, MichaelHoy michael@unn.ac.uk wrote: I’ve posted a query regarding the visibility of snapshots via CIFS here (

Re: [zfs-discuss] At what level does the “zfs” d irectory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
David Markey wrote: I have done a similar deployment, However we gave each student their own ZFS filesystem. Each of which had a .zfs directory in it. Don't host 50k filesystems on a single pool. It's more pain than it's worth. ___ zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] At what level does the “zfs ” directory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
MichaelHoy wrote: I’ve posted a query regarding the visibility of snapshots via CIFS here (http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=130577tstart=0) however, I’m beginning to suspect that it may be a more fundamental ZFS question so I’m asking the same question here. At what level

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ Devena line of enterprise SSD

2010-06-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 15/06/2010 18:46, Brandon High wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Roger Hernandezrhvar...@gmail.com wrote: OCZ has a new line of enterprise SSDs, based on the SandForce 1500 controller. The SLC based drive should be great as a ZIL, and the MLC drives should be a close

Re: [zfs-discuss] At what level does the “zfs ” directory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 16/06/2010 09:11, Arne Jansen wrote: MichaelHoy wrote: I’ve posted a query regarding the visibility of snapshots via CIFS here (http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=130577tstart=0) however, I’m beginning to suspect that it may be a more fundamental ZFS question so I’m

Re: [zfs-discuss] Complete Linux Noob

2010-06-16 Thread Orvar Korvar
You can't expand a normal RAID, either, anywhere I've ever seen. Is this true? A vdev can be a group of discs configured as raidz1/mirror/etc. An zfs raid consists of several vdev. You can add a new vdev whenever you want. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Fco Javier Garcia
This may also be accomplished by using snapshots and clones of data sets. At least for OS images: user profiles and documents could be something else entirely. Yes... but that will need a manager with access to zfs itself... but with dedupe you can use a userland manager (much more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 16/06/2010 11:30, Fco Javier Garcia wrote: This may also be accomplished by using snapshots and clones of data sets. At least for OS images: user profiles and documents could be something else entirely. Yes... but that will need a manager with access to zfs itself... but with dedupe you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Fco Javier Garcia
I think, with current bits, it's not a simple matter of ok for enterprise, not ok for desktops. with an ssd for either main storage or l2arc, and/or enough memory, and/or a not very demanding workload, it seems to be ok. The main problem is not performance (for a home server is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Dennis Clarke
I think, with current bits, it's not a simple matter of ok for enterprise, not ok for desktops. with an ssd for either main storage or l2arc, and/or enough memory, and/or a not very demanding workload, it seems to be ok. The main problem is not performance (for a home server is not a

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ Devena line of enterprise SSD

2010-06-16 Thread Arve Paalsrud
Got prices from a retailer now: 100GB - DENRSTE251E10-0100~1100 USD 200GB - DENRSTE251E10-0200~1900 USD 400GB - DENRSTE251E10-0400~4500 USD Prices were given to a country in Europe, so USD prices might be lower. -Arve -Original Message- From:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Fco Javier Garcia
Does the machine respond to ping? Yes If there is a gui does the mouse pointer move? There is no GUI (nexentastor) Does the keyboard numlock key respond at all ? Yes I just find it very hard to believe that such a situation could exist as I have done some *abusive* tests on a

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread David Magda
On Wed, June 16, 2010 03:03, Arne Jansen wrote: Christopher George wrote: For the record, not all SSDs ignore cache flushes. There are at least two SSDs sold today that guarantee synchronous write semantics; the Sun/Oracle LogZilla and the DDRdrive X1. Also, I believe it is more LogZilla?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Carlos Varela
Does the machine respond to ping? Yes If there is a gui does the mouse pointer move? There is no GUI (nexentastor) Does the keyboard numlock key respond at all ? Yes I just find it very hard to believe that such a situation could exist as I have done some

Re: [zfs-discuss] At what level does the zfs directory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Arne Jansen Don't host 50k filesystems on a single pool. It's more pain than it's worth. I assume Michael has reached this conclusion due to factors which are not necessary to discuss here.

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ Devena line of enterprise SSD

2010-06-16 Thread David Magda
On Wed, June 16, 2010 07:59, Arve Paalsrud wrote: Got prices from a retailer now: 100GB - DENRSTE251E10-0100~1100 USD 200GB - DENRSTE251E10-0200~1900 USD 400GB - DENRSTE251E10-0400~4500 USD Prices were given to a country in Europe, so USD prices might be lower. Heh. I just did

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ Devena line of enterprise SSD

2010-06-16 Thread Arve Paalsrud
They'll probably track me down and shoot me later on. :o -A -Original Message- From: David Magda [mailto:dma...@ee.ryerson.ca] Sent: 16. juni 2010 15:03 To: Arve Paalsrud Cc: 'Scott Meilicke'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ Devena line of enterprise SSD

Re: [zfs-discuss] At what level does the “zfs ” directory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of MichaelHoy If the “.zfs” subdirectory only exists as the direct child of the mount point then can someone suggest how I can make it visible lower down without requiring me (even if it were

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Eric Schrock
On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Dennis Clarke wrote: I have been lurking in this thread for a while for various reasons and only now does a thought cross my mind worth posting : Are you saying that a reasonably fast computer with 8GB of memory is entirely non-responsive due to a ZFS related

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Ross Walker
On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Carlos Varela carlos.var...@cibc.ca wrote: Does the machine respond to ping? Yes If there is a gui does the mouse pointer move? There is no GUI (nexentastor) Does the keyboard numlock key respond at all ? Yes I just find it very hard to believe

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ Devena line of enterprise SSD

2010-06-16 Thread Martti Leppänen
According to the spec page in http://www.oczenterprise.com/details/ocz-deneva-reliability-2-5-slc-ssd.html it seems that the drive has a built-in supercapacitor to protect from power outages. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

[zfs-discuss] Interesting ACM Queue article - zfs implications?

2010-06-16 Thread Richard Bruce
Hi all, I am not a developer, but I have a background in engineering and a strong interest in performance and optimization. A recent Slashdot reference really piqued my interest. The reference is to an ACM Queue article that challenges some conventional wisdom regarding algorithm performance

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've very in-frequently seen the RAMSAN devices mentioned here. Probably due to price. However a long time ago I think I remember someone suggesting a build it yourself RAMSAN. Where is the down side of one or 2 OS boxes with a whole lot of RAM

Re: [zfs-discuss] High-Performance ZFS (2000MB/s+)

2010-06-16 Thread Christopher George
I mean, could I stripe across multiple devices to be able to handle higher throughput? Absolutely. Stripping four DDRdrive X1s (16GB dedicated log) is extremely simple. Each X1 has it's own dedicated IOPS controller, critical for approaching linear synchronous write scalability. The same

[zfs-discuss] Disable ZFS ACL

2010-06-16 Thread eXeC001er
Hi All. Can you explain to me hot to disable ACL on ZFS ? 'aclmode' prop does not exists in props of zfs dataset, but this prop on the zfs man( http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2240/zfs-1m?l=ena=viewq=zfs ) Thanks. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] At what level does the zfs directory exist?

2010-06-16 Thread Thommy M . Malmström
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Arne Jansen Don't host 50k filesystems on a single pool. It's more pain than it's worth. I assume Michael has reached this conclusion due to factors which are not necessary to

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread David Magda
On Wed, June 16, 2010 10:44, Arne Jansen wrote: David Magda wrote: I'm not sure you'd get the same latency and IOps with disk that you can with a good SSD: http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/slog_screenshots [...] Please keep in mind I'm talking about a usage as ZIL, not as L2ARC or

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread David Magda
On Wed, June 16, 2010 11:02, David Magda wrote: [...] Yes, I understood it as suck, and that link is for ZIL. For L2ARC SSD numbers see: s/suck/such/ :) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
David Magda wrote: On Wed, June 16, 2010 11:02, David Magda wrote: [...] Yes, I understood it as suck, and that link is for ZIL. For L2ARC SSD numbers see: s/suck/such/ ah, I tried to make sense from 'suck' in the sense of 'just writing sequentially' or something like that ;) :)

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
David Magda wrote: On Wed, June 16, 2010 10:44, Arne Jansen wrote: David Magda wrote: I'm not sure you'd get the same latency and IOps with disk that you can with a good SSD: http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/slog_screenshots [...] Please keep in mind I'm talking about a usage as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disable ZFS ACL

2010-06-16 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi-- No way exists to outright disable ACLs on a ZFS file system. The removal of the aclmode property was a recent dev build change. The zfs.1m man page you cite is for a Solaris release that is no longer available and will be removed soon. What are you trying to do? You can remove specific

Re: [zfs-discuss] Complete Linux Noob

2010-06-16 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Orvar Korvar knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com wrote: You can't expand a normal RAID, either, anywhere I've ever seen. Is this true? A vdev can be a group of discs configured as raidz1/mirror/etc. An zfs raid consists of several vdev. You can add a new vdev

[zfs-discuss] files lost in the zpool - retrieval possible ?

2010-06-16 Thread b.g.
Greetings, my Opensolaris 06/2009 installation on an Thinkpad x60 notebook is a little unstable. From the symptoms during installation it seems that there might be something with the ahci driver. No problem with the Opensolaris LiveCD system. Some weeks ago during copy of about 2 GB from a

[zfs-discuss] mount zfs boot disk on another server?

2010-06-16 Thread Jay Seaman
I have multiple servers, all with the same configuration of mirrored zfs root pools. I've been asked how to take a potentially damaged disk from one machine and carry it to another machine, in the event that some hw failure prevents fixing a boot problem in place. So we have one half of mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Fco Javier Garcia cor...@javido.com wrote: The main problem is not performance (for a home server is not a problem)... but what really is a BIG PROBLEM is when you try to delete a snapshot a little big... (try yourself...create a big random file with 90 Gb of

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ Devena line of enterprise SSD

2010-06-16 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Robert Milkowski mi...@task.gda.pl wrote: If you don't need a high random iops from you l2arc then perhaps you don't need an l2arc at all? Sorry, random write iops. The L2ARC is filled slowly once it's warmed up. The L2ARC is helpful because it has low latency

[zfs-discuss] Virident tachIOn SSD for ZIL ?

2010-06-16 Thread Lasse Osterild
Hi, Have any of you looked at SSD's from Virident ? http://virident.com/products.php Looks pretty impressive to me, though I am sure the price is as well. - Lasse ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] mount zfs boot disk on another server?

2010-06-16 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Jay Seaman john.sea...@americas.ing.com wrote: zpool import to get the id number of the non-native rpool You'll get the names and IDs for any un-imported pools. then use zpool import -f id# -R /mnt newpool That should work. You may have to put the pool id

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Arne Jansen wrote: Please keep in mind I'm talking about a usage as ZIL, not as L2ARC or main pool. Because ZIL issues nearly sequential writes, due to the NVRAM-protection of the RAID-controller the disk can leave the write cache enabled. This means the disk can write

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Carson Gaspar
Arne Jansen wrote: David Magda wrote: On Wed, June 16, 2010 10:44, Arne Jansen wrote: David Magda wrote: I'm not sure you'd get the same latency and IOps with disk that you can with a good SSD: http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/slog_screenshots [...] Please keep in mind I'm talking

Re: [zfs-discuss] Virident tachIOn SSD for ZIL ?

2010-06-16 Thread David Magda
On Wed, June 16, 2010 14:15, Lasse Osterild wrote: Hi, Have any of you looked at SSD's from Virident ? http://virident.com/products.php Looks pretty impressive to me, though I am sure the price is as well. Only Linux distributions are listed under Platform Support.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup... still in beta status

2010-06-16 Thread Fco Javier Garcia
I had the same experience. Finally i could remove the dedup dataset (1,7 TB)... i was wrong... it wasnt 30 hours... it was only 21 (the reason of the mistake: first i tried to delete with nexentastor enterprises trial 3.02... but when i see that there was a new version of nexentastor comunity

Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-16 Thread Mertol Özyöney
In addition to all comments below, 7000 series which are competing with NetApp boxes have the ability to add more storage to the pool in a couple seconds, online and does load balancing automaticaly. Also we dont have the 16 TB limit NetApp has. Nearly all customers did tihs without any PS

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Arne Jansen wrote: Please keep in mind I'm talking about a usage as ZIL, not as L2ARC or main pool. Because ZIL issues nearly sequential writes, due to the NVRAM-protection of the RAID-controller the disk can leave the write cache enabled. This

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread David Magda
On Wed, June 16, 2010 15:15, Arne Jansen wrote: I double checked before posting: I can nearly saturate a 15k disk if I make full use of the 32 queue slots giving 137 MB/s or 34k IOPS/s. Times 3 nearly matches the above mentioned 114k IOPS :) 34K*3 = 102K. 12K isn't anything to sneeze at :)

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Arne Jansen
David Magda wrote: On Wed, June 16, 2010 15:15, Arne Jansen wrote: I double checked before posting: I can nearly saturate a 15k disk if I make full use of the 32 queue slots giving 137 MB/s or 34k IOPS/s. Times 3 nearly matches the above mentioned 114k IOPS :) 34K*3 = 102K. 12K isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs adequate ZIL devices?

2010-06-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 04:44:07PM +0200, Arne Jansen wrote: Please keep in mind I'm talking about a usage as ZIL, not as L2ARC or main pool. Because ZIL issues nearly sequential writes, due to the NVRAM-protection of the RAID-controller the disk can leave the write cache enabled. This means

Re: [zfs-discuss] mount zfs boot disk on another server?

2010-06-16 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Seaman, John john.sea...@americas.ing.com wrote: Could you import it back on the original server with Zpool import -f newpool rpool? If you're trying to boot off of it on the original host (which is likely, since it's the rpool) then you may not be able to if

Re: [zfs-discuss] mount zfs boot disk on another server?

2010-06-16 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Jay, I think you mean you want to connect the disk with a potentially damaged ZFS BE on another system and mount the ZFS BE for possible repair purposes. This recovery method is complicated by the fact that changing the root pool name can cause the original system not to boot. Other

Re: [zfs-discuss] mount zfs boot disk on another server?

2010-06-16 Thread Frank Cusack
Should naming the root pool something unique (rpool-nodename) be a best practice? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss