Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-15 Thread Nicholas Lee
2009/4/14 Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net well that's not what I meant though. The battery RAM cache's behavior can't be determined by RTFS whether you use ZFS or not, and the behavior matters to both ZFS users and non ZFS users. The advantage I saw to ZFS slogs, is that you can inspect the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-15 Thread Nicholas Lee
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Will Murnane will.murn...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone done any specific testing with SSD devices and solaris other than the FISHWORKS stuff? Which is better for what - SLC and MLC? My impression is that the flash controllers make a much bigger difference

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-15 Thread Blake Irvin
On Apr 15, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Nicholas Lee emptysa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Will Murnane will.murn...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone done any specific testing with SSD devices and solaris other than the FISHWORKS stuff? Which is better for what - SLC and

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-15 Thread Richard Elling
Nicholas Lee wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Will Murnane will.murn...@gmail.com mailto:will.murn...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone done any specific testing with SSD devices and solaris other than the FISHWORKS stuff? Which is better for what - SLC and MLC? My

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-15 Thread Greg Mason
And it looks like the Intel fragmentation issue is fixed as well: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16739 FYI, Intel recently had a new firmware release. IMHO, odds are that this will be as common as HDD firmware releases, at least for the next few years.

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-15 Thread Nicholas Lee
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: As for space, 18GBytes is much, much larger than 99.9+% of workloads require for slog space. Most measurements I've seen indicate that 100 MBytes will be quite satisfactory for most folks. Unfortunately, there

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-15 Thread Nicholas Lee
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Nicholas Lee emptysa...@gmail.com wrote: Let me see if I understand this: A SSD slog can handle, say, 5000 (4k) transactions in a sec (20M/s) vs maybe 300 (4k) iops for a single HDD. The slog can then batch and dump say 30s worth of transactions - 600M as

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-13 Thread Miles Nordin
nl == Nicholas Lee emptysa...@gmail.com writes: nl zfs handles so much of what once would have been done in nl hardware and by drivers. While this is good, it is leaving nl this huge grey area where it is hard for those of us on the nl front line well that's not what I meant

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-13 Thread Will Murnane
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:02, Nicholas Lee emptysa...@gmail.com wrote: There's also the ACARD device: acard ANS-9010B                 $250  plus 8GB RAM                    $86  plus 16GB CF                    $44 It's also got a battery but can dump/restore the RAM to a CF card. It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-12 Thread Nicholas Lee
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: nl Supermicro have several LSI controllers. AOC-USASLP-L8i with nl the LSI 1068E That's what I'm using. It uses the proprietary mpt driver. nl and AOC-USASLP-H8iR with the LSI 1078. I'm not using this. nl

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-11 Thread Alan Batie
Nicholas Lee wrote: The standard controller that has been recommended in the past is the AOC-SAT2-MV8 - an 8 port with a marvel chipset. There have been several mentions of LSI based controllers on the mailing lists and I'm wondering about them. We tried the Marvel controller, and it

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] Supermicro SAS/SATA controllers?

2009-04-11 Thread Tim
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Alan Batie a...@batie.org wrote: Nicholas Lee wrote: The standard controller that has been recommended in the past is the AOC-SAT2-MV8 - an 8 port with a marvel chipset. There have been several mentions of LSI based controllers on the mailing lists and