Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-05 Thread Blake
How I do recursive, selective snapshot destroys: http://blog.clockworm.com/2008/03/remove-old-zfs-snapshots.html Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:14:20 PM, you wrote: TW I would really add : make insane zfs destroy -r| poolname as TW harmless as zpool destroy poolname (recoverable)

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-04 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello George, Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 3:01:43 PM, you wrote: GW Matthew Ahrens wrote: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger) I'm working on it. automated installgrub when mirroring an rpool GW I'm working on

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-04 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Thomas, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:14:20 PM, you wrote: TW I would really add : make insane zfs destroy -r| poolname as TW harmless as zpool destroy poolname (recoverable) TW zfs destroy -r| poolname|/filesystem TW this should behave like that: TW o snapshot the filesystem

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-03 Thread George Wilson
Matthew Ahrens wrote: Blake wrote: zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger) I'm working on it.

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-03 Thread George Wilson
Richard Elling wrote: David Magda wrote: On Feb 27, 2009, at 18:23, C. Bergström wrote: Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my list to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-03 Thread Richard Elling
George Wilson wrote: Along these lines you can envision a restore tool that is capable of reading multiple 'zfs send' streams to construct the various versions of files which are available. In addition, it would be nice if the tool could read in the streams and then make it easy to traverse

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-03 Thread Greg Mason
Just my $0.02, but would pool shrinking be the same as vdev evacuation? I'm quite interested in vdev evacuation as an upgrade path for multi-disk pools. This would be yet another reason to for folks to use ZFS at home (you only have to buy cheap disks), but it would also be a good to have

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-03 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Greg Mason wrote: Just my $0.02, but would pool shrinking be the same as vdev evacuation? Yes. basically, what I'm thinking is: zpool remove mypool list of devices/vdevs Allow time for ZFS to vacate the vdev(s), and then light up the OK to remove light on each evacuated disk. That's the

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread Blake
excellent! i wasn't sure if that was the case, though i had heard rumors. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com wrote: Blake wrote: zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see:

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread Matthew Ahrens
David Magda wrote: Given the threads that have appeared on this list lately, how about codifying / standardizing the output of zfs send so that it can be backed up to tape? :) We will soon be changing the manpage to indicate that the zfs send stream will be receivable on all future versions

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Blake wrote: zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger) I'm working on it. install to mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 09:45:12PM -0600, Mike Gerdts wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Nicolas Williams Right, but normally each head in a cluster will have only one pool imported. Not necessarily. Suppose I have a group of servers with a bunch of zones. Each zone represents a

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread Miles Nordin
dm == David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca writes: dm Yes, in its current state; hopefully that will change some dm point in the future I don't think it will or should. A replication tool and a backup tool seem similar, but they're not similar enough. With replication, you want an exact

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread Miles Nordin
ma == Matthew Ahrens matthew.ahr...@sun.com writes: ma We will soon be changing the manpage to indicate that the zfs ma send stream will be receivable on all future versions of ZFS. still not strong enough statement for this case: old system new system 1. zfs send

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread Miles Nordin
cb == C Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.com writes: cb ideas for good zfs GSoC projects, but wanted to stir some cb interest. Read-only vdev support. 1. possibility to import a zpool on DVD. All filesystems within would be read-only. DVD should be scrubbable: result would be a list

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread David
So nobody is interested in Raidz grow support? i.e. you have 4 disks is a raidz and you only have room for a 5th disk(physically), so you add the 5th disk to the raidz. It would be a great feature for a home server and its the only thing stopping solaris going on my home file server. On Tue,

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread David Magda
On Mar 2, 2009, at 19:31, David wrote: So nobody is interested in Raidz grow support? i.e. you have 4 disks is a raidz and you only have room for a 5th disk(physically), so you add the 5th disk to the raidz. It would be a great feature for a home server and its the only thing stopping

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-02 Thread David Magda
On Mar 2, 2009, at 18:37, Miles Nordin wrote: And I'm getting frustrated pointing out these issues for the 10th time [...] http://www.xkcd.com/386/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-03-01 Thread Kees Nuyt
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:45:12 -0600, Mike Gerdts mger...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Nicolas Williams nicolas.willi...@sun.com wrote: [snip] Right, but normally each head in a cluster will have only one pool imported. Not necessarily. Suppose I have a group of servers

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Ridd
On 28 Feb 2009, at 07:26, C. Bergström wrote: Blake wrote: Gnome GUI for desktop ZFS administration With the libzfs java bindings I am plotting a web based interface.. I'm not sure if that would meet this gnome requirement though.. Knowing specifically what you'd want to do in that

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Bryan Allen
I for one would like an interactive attribute for zpools and filesystems, specifically for destroy. The existing behavior (no prompt) could be the default, but all filesystems would inherit from the zpool's attrib. so I'd only need to set interactive=on for the pool itself, not for each

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Blake Irvin
Shrinking pools would also solve the right-sizing dilemma. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Joe Esposito j...@j-espo.com wrote: I'm using opensolaris and zfs at my house for my photography storage as well as for an offsite backup location for my employer and several side web

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: David Magda wrote: On Feb 27, 2009, at 20:02, Richard Elling wrote: At the risk of repeating the Best Practices Guide (again): The zfs send and receive commands do not provide an enterprise-level backup solution.

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Casper . Dik
I'm using opensolaris and zfs at my house for my photography storage as well as for an offsite backup location for my employer and several side web projects. I have an 80g drive as my root drive. I recently took posesion of 2 74g 10k drives which I'd love to add as a mirror to replace the 80 g

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Joe Esposito
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, casper@sun.com wrote: I'm using opensolaris and zfs at my house for my photography storage as well as for an offsite backup location for my employer and several side web projects. I have an 80g drive as my root drive. I recently took posesion of 2 74g

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Tim
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Joe Esposito j...@j-espo.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, casper@sun.com wrote: I'm using opensolaris and zfs at my house for my photography storage as well as for an offsite backup location for my employer and several side web projects.

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Tim wrote: That's not entirely true. Maybe it will put it to shame at streaming sequential I/O. The 10k drives will still wipe the floor with any modern 7200rpm drive for random IO and seek times. Or perhaps streaming sequential I/O will have similar performance, with

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Thomas Wagner
pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger) This may be interesting... I'm not sure how often you need to shrink a pool though? Could this be classified more as a Home or SME level feature? Enterprise level

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Thomas Wagner
I would really add : make insane zfs destroy -r| poolname as harmless as zpool destroy poolname (recoverable) zfs destroy -r| poolname|/filesystem this should behave like that: o snapshot the filesystem to be deleted (each, name it @deletedby_operatorname_date) o hide the snapshot

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:44:59PM +0100, Thomas Wagner wrote: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger) This may be interesting... I'm not sure how often you need to shrink a pool though? Could this be

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Nicolas Williams nicolas.willi...@sun.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:44:59PM +0100, Thomas Wagner wrote: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger)  This may be interesting...

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Aaron Blew
Absolutely agree. I'l love to be able to free up some LUNs that I don't need in the pool any more. Also, concatenation of devices in a zpool would be great for devices that have LUN limits. It also seems like it may be an easy thing to implement. -Aaron On 2/28/09, Thomas Wagner

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Bob Netherton
Multiple pools on one server only makes sense if you are going to have different RAS for each pool for business reasons. It's a lot easier to have a single pool though. I recommend it. A couple of other things to consider to go with that recommendation. - never build a pool larger than you

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 05:19:26PM -0600, Mike Gerdts wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Nicolas Williams nicolas.willi...@sun.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:44:59PM +0100, Thomas Wagner wrote: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-28 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Nicolas Williams nicolas.willi...@sun.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 05:19:26PM -0600, Mike Gerdts wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Nicolas Williams nicolas.willi...@sun.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:44:59PM +0100, Thomas Wagner wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread C. Bergström
Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my list to be honest.. Which brings up another question of where is the raidz stuff mostly?

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread David
RaidZ grow support On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:23 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.comwrote: Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread David Magda
On Feb 27, 2009, at 18:23, C. Bergström wrote: Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my list to be honest.. Which brings up another question of

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
David Magda wrote: On Feb 27, 2009, at 18:23, C. Bergström wrote: Blake wrote: Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... raidz boot support in grub 2 is pretty high on my list to be honest.. Which brings up

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want disk B to become a mirror, but A is a few blocks bigger) install to mirror from the liveCD gui zfs recovery tools

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Blake
Gnome GUI for desktop ZFS administration On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink disk A when i want

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread David Magda
On Feb 27, 2009, at 20:02, Richard Elling wrote: It wouldn't help. zfs send is a data stream which contains parts of files, not files (in the usual sense), so there is no real way to take a send stream and extract a file, other than by doing a receive. If you create a non-incremental

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Elling
David Magda wrote: On Feb 27, 2009, at 20:02, Richard Elling wrote: It wouldn't help. zfs send is a data stream which contains parts of files, not files (in the usual sense), so there is no real way to take a send stream and extract a file, other than by doing a receive. If you create a

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread C. Bergström
Blake wrote: Gnome GUI for desktop ZFS administration On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote: zfs send is great for moving a filesystem with lots of tiny files, since it just handles the blocks :) I'd like to see: pool-shrinking (and an option to shrink

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-27 Thread C. Bergström
Blake wrote: Gnome GUI for desktop ZFS administration With the libzfs java bindings I am plotting a web based interface.. I'm not sure if that would meet this gnome requirement though.. Knowing specifically what you'd want to do in that interface would be good.. I planned to compare it to

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-26 Thread Blake
Care to share any of those in advance? It might be cool to see input from listees and generally get some wheels turning... On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:39 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@netsyncro.com wrote: Hi everyone. I've got a couple ideas for good zfs GSoC projects, but wanted to stir some

[zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-25 Thread C. Bergström
Hi everyone. I've got a couple ideas for good zfs GSoC projects, but wanted to stir some interest. Anyone interested to help mentor? The deadline is around the corner so if planning hasn't happened yet it should start soon. If there is interest who would the org administrator be? Thanks

Re: [zfs-discuss] GSoC 09 zfs ideas?

2009-02-25 Thread Darren J Moffat
C. Bergström wrote: Hi everyone. I've got a couple ideas for good zfs GSoC projects, but wanted to stir some interest. Anyone interested to help mentor? The deadline is around the corner so if planning hasn't happened yet it should start soon. If there is interest who would the org