Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-11 Thread Andy Lubel
With my (COTS) LSI 1068 and 1078 based controllers I get consistently better performance when I export all disks as jbod (MegaCli - CfgEachDskRaid0). Is that really 'all disks as JBOD'? or is it 'each disk as a single drive RAID0'? single disk raid0: ./MegaCli -CfgEachDskRaid0 Direct

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-07 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John-Paul Drawneek wrote: | I guess a USB pendrive would be slower than a | harddisk. Bad performance | for the ZIL. A decent pendrive of mine writes at 3-5MB/s. Sure there are faster ones, but any desktop harddisk can write at 50MB/s. If you are

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Lubel
With my (COTS) LSI 1068 and 1078 based controllers I get consistently better performance when I export all disks as jbod (MegaCli - CfgEachDskRaid0). I even went through all the loops and hoops with 6120's, 6130's and even some SGI storage and the result was always the same; better

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-07 Thread Joel Miller
Much of the complexity in hardware RAID is in the fault detection, isolation, and management. The fun part is trying to architect a fault-tolerant system when the suppliers of the components can not come close to enumerating most of the possible failure modes. What happens when a drive's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-07 Thread Kyle McDonald
Andy Lubel wrote: With my (COTS) LSI 1068 and 1078 based controllers I get consistently better performance when I export all disks as jbod (MegaCli - CfgEachDskRaid0). Is that really 'all disks as JBOD'? or is it 'each disk as a single drive RAID0'? It may not sound different on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-02 Thread John-Paul Drawneek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Fox wrote: | So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. I guess a USB pendrive would be slower than a harddisk. Bad performance for the ZIL. Does any one

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-02 Thread Kyle McDonald
John-Paul Drawneek wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Fox wrote: | So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. I guess a USB pendrive would be slower than a harddisk. Bad performance for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Kyle McDonald
Gregory Perry wrote: Hello, I have a Dell 2950 with a Perc 5/i, two 300GB 15K SAS drives in a RAID0 array. I am considering going to ZFS and I would like to get some feedback about which situation would yield the highest performance: using the Perc 5/i to provide a hardware RAID0 that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Vincent Fox
I package up 5 or 6 disks into a RAID-5 LUN on our Sun 3510 and 2540 arrays. Then I use ZFS to RAID-10 these volumes. Safety first! Quite frankly I've had ENOUGH of rebuilding trashed filesystems. I am tired to chasing performance like it's the Holy Grail and shoving other considerations

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Kyle McDonald
Vincent Fox wrote: When Sun starts selling good SAS JBOD boxes equipped with appropriate redundancies and a flash-drive or 2 for the ZIL I will definitely go that route. For now I have a bunch of existing Sun HW RAID arrays so I make use of them mainly to make sure I can package LUNs and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Vincent Fox
So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. We've all spent the last decade or two offloading functions into specialized hardware, that has turned into these massive unneccessarily complex things. I don't want to go to a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Fox wrote: | So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. I guess a USB pendrive would be slower than a harddisk. Bad performance for the ZIL. - -- Jesus Cea Avion

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Kyle McDonald
Vincent Fox wrote: So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. We've all spent the last decade or two offloading functions into specialized hardware, that has turned into these massive unneccessarily complex things. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Torrey McMahon
Kyle McDonald wrote: Vincent Fox wrote: So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. We've all spent the last decade or two offloading functions into specialized hardware, that has turned into these massive

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Marion Hakanson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You still need interfaces, of some kind, to manage the device. Temp sensors? Drive fru information? All that information has to go out, and some in, over an interface of some sort. Looks like the Sun 2530 array recently added in-band management over the SAS (data)

[zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-30 Thread Gregory Perry
Hello, I have a Dell 2950 with a Perc 5/i, two 300GB 15K SAS drives in a RAID0 array. I am considering going to ZFS and I would like to get some feedback about which situation would yield the highest performance: using the Perc 5/i to provide a hardware RAID0 that is presented as a single