Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-20 Thread Richard Elling
Rob Clark wrote: >> On July 14, 2008 7:49:58 PM -0500 Bob Friesenhahn >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> With ZFS and modern CPUs, the parity calculation is >>> >> surely in the noise to the point of being unmeasurable. >> >> I would agree with that. The parity calculation has *neve

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-19 Thread Rob Clark
> On July 14, 2008 7:49:58 PM -0500 Bob Friesenhahn > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With ZFS and modern CPUs, the parity calculation is > surely in the noise to the point of being unmeasurable. > > I would agree with that. The parity calculation has *never* been a > factor in and of itself. T

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-16 Thread David Magda
On Jul 14, 2008, at 20:49, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > Any time you see even a single statement which is incorrect, it is > best to ignore that forum poster entirely and if no one corrects > him, then ignore the entire forum. Yes, because each and every one of us must correct inaccuracies on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-16 Thread Richard Elling
Frank Cusack wrote: > On July 14, 2008 9:54:43 PM -0700 Frank Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On July 14, 2008 7:49:58 PM -0500 Bob Friesenhahn >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It sounds like they're talking more about traditional hardware RAID but is this also true fo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-15 Thread Frank Cusack
On July 14, 2008 9:54:43 PM -0700 Frank Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On July 14, 2008 7:49:58 PM -0500 Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> It sounds like they're talking more about traditional hardware RAID >>> but is this also true for ZFS? Right now I've got four 750GB drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-15 Thread Anton B. Rang
One nit ... the parity computation is 'in the noise' as far as the CPU goes, but it tends to flush the CPU caches (or rather, replace useful cached data with parity), which affects application performance. Modern CPU architectures (including x86/SPARC) provide instructions which allow data to b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-14 Thread Frank Cusack
On July 14, 2008 7:49:58 PM -0500 Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This seems like a bunch of hog-wash to me. Any time you see even a > single statement which is incorrect, it is best to ignore that forum > poster entirely and if no one corrects him, then ignore the entire forum. I d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, [UTF-8] Søren Ragsdale wrote: It seems to me that the blanket 8% improvement statement by 'Black Jacque' is clearly the most technically correct even though it is a not a serious answer. [i]"You tend to get better write performance when the number of disks in the raid is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-14 Thread Daniel Phillips
Nit: you meant 2^N + 1 I believe. Daniel ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] Raid-Z with N^2+1 disks

2008-07-14 Thread Søren Ragsdale
I was reading some ZFS pages on another discussion list I found this comment by few people who may or may not know something: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/24609792/m/956007108831 [i]"You tend to get better write performance when the number of disks in the raid is (a power