[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Sunstar Dude
Yea, What is the deal with this? I am so bummed :( What the heck was Sun's CEO talking about the other day? And why the heck did Apple not include at least non-default ZFS support in Leopard? If no ZFS in Leapard, then what is all the Apple-induced-hype about? A trapezoidal Dock table? A

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 9:23 AM, Sunstar Dude wrote: Yea, What is the deal with this? ... Can anyone explain the absence of ZFS in Leopard??? I signed up for this forum just to post this. Steve giveth and Steve taketh away. --Toby This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Rob Logan
we know time machine requires an extra disk (local or remote) so its reasonable to guess the non bootable time machine disk could use zfs. someone with a Leopard dvd (Rick Mann) could answer this... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Andy Lubel
Yeah this is pretty sad, we had such plans for actually using our apple (PPC) hardware in our datacenter for something other than AFP and web serving. It also shows how limited apples vision seems to be. For 2 CEO's not to be on the same page demonstrates that there is something else going on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Andy Lubel wrote: Yeah this is pretty sad, we had such plans for actually using our apple (PPC) hardware in our datacenter for something other than AFP and web serving. It also shows how limited apples vision seems to be. I think you are jumping to conclusions

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Robert Smicinski
Apple's strength is the desktop, Sun's is the datacenter. There's no need to have ZFS on the desktop, just as there's no need to have HFS+ in the datacenter. There is a need to improve ZFS in the datacenter, however, and I wish Sun had invested their time in getting dynamic LUN expansion going

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Rich Teer
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Robert Smicinski wrote: Apple's strength is the desktop, Sun's is the datacenter. Agreed, to a large extent. There's no need to have ZFS on the desktop, just as there's no need to have HFS+ in the datacenter. I strongly disagree with the first clause of that sentence.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Erblichs
Group, Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive personal computer / small business environment? IE, Plug and play. Thus, even though ZFS is able to work as the default FS, should it be the default FS for the small system

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Francois Dion
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:54 -0700, Erblichs wrote: Group, Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive personal computer / small business environment? IE, Plug and play. Warning, real case to follow, not a what if scenario: Over the past 10 years, I've been

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 1:54 PM, Erblichs wrote: Group, Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive personal computer / small business environment? IE, Plug and play. Thus, even though ZFS is able to work as the default FS, should it be the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread George
I agree wholeheartedly. This ZFS is a must for desktop, small business and enterprise. I've been hanging out in #zfs and reading quite a bit over the last couple weeks and I will never trust my data again unless I have ZFS in place. I look to transfer this to my clients' setups as well somehow

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Deron Hull
My guess is that Jonathan's WWDC pre-announcement last week is was probably why there's no ZFS in the WWDC beta. Anybody remember what happend to ATI when they did that? It wasn't good. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Frank Cusack
On June 12, 2007 12:08:05 PM -0700 Deron Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Jonathan's WWDC pre-announcement last week is was probably why there's no ZFS in the WWDC beta. I'm sure the discs were made long before Jonathan's statement. -frank

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Sunstar Dude
Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz really didn't want ZFS in OS X - Solaris competition - and he knew that if he did pre-announce ZFS in OS X that Steve Jobs would drop it just to get back at him. Maybe this was intentionally done by Schwartz to keep ZFS out of a competing OS. Just a thought. Whatever

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Jun-07, at 4:38 PM, Sunstar Dude wrote: Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz really didn't want ZFS in OS X - Solaris competition - and he knew that if he did pre-announce ZFS in OS X that Steve Jobs would drop it just to get back at him. Maybe this was intentionally done by Schwartz to keep

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Apple WWDC Keynote Absence

2007-06-12 Thread Claus Guttesen
Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz really didn't want ZFS in OS X - Solaris competition - and he knew that if he did pre-announce ZFS in OS X that Steve Jobs would drop it just to get back at him. Maybe this was intentionally done by Schwartz to keep ZFS out of a competing OS. Just a thought. Whatever