[zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
FYI, this is actually a pretty good article which talks about improvements in SSDs. Don't bet against Moore's Law :-) Intel boosts speed, cuts prices of solid-state drives http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10291582-64.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0 -- richard

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: FYI, this is actually a pretty good article which talks about improvements in SSDs. Don't bet against Moore's Law :-) Intel boosts speed, cuts prices of solid-state drives http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10291582-64.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: FYI, this is actually a pretty good article which talks about improvements in SSDs. Don't bet against Moore's Law :-) Intel boosts speed, cuts prices of solid-state drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The X25-M drives referred to are Intel's Mainstream drives, using MLC flash. The Enterprise grade drives are X25-E, which currently use SLC flash (less dense, more reliable, much longer lasting/more writes). The expected lifetime is similar to an

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The X25-M drives referred to are Intel's Mainstream drives, using MLC flash. The Enterprise grade drives are X25-E, which currently use SLC flash (less dense, more reliable, much longer

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Matt Harrison
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The X25-M drives referred to are Intel's Mainstream drives, using MLC flash. The Enterprise grade drives are X25-E, which currently use SLC flash (less dense, more

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Ian Collins
On Wed 22/07/09 08:21 , Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com sent: On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: With wear leveling and zfs you would probably discover that the drive suddenly starts to wear out all at once once it reaches the end of its lifetime. Unless drive

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: With wear leveling and zfs you would probably discover that the drive suddenly starts to wear out all at once once it reaches the end of its lifetime. Unless drive ages are carefully staggered, or different types of drives are intentionally used,

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: With wear leveling and zfs you would probably discover that the drive suddenly starts to wear out all at once once it reaches the end of its lifetime. Unless drive ages are carefully staggered,

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Louis-Frédéric Feuillette
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 14:45 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance. Forgive my ignorance, but is this not exactly what a SSD ZIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance. I don't know many people who delete that much data continuously (I suspect that

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Louis-Frédéric Feuillette wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 14:45 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance. Forgive my ignorance, but is

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 02:45:57PM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes Or overwrite (since the overwrites turn in to COW writes of new blocks and the old blocks are released if not referred to from snapshot). of data a day on a ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Neal Pollack
On 07/21/09 03:00 PM, Nicolas Williams wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 02:45:57PM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes Or overwrite (since the overwrites turn in to COW writes of new blocks and the old blocks are released if

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Louis-Frédéric Feuillette wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 14:45 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes of data a day on a ZFS file system for 5 years (according to Intel) to reach the expected endurance.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive

2009-07-21 Thread Henry Lau
@opensolaris.org Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:43:23 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] SSDs get faster and less expensive On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Louis-Frédéric Feuillette wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 14:45 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: But to put this in perspective, you would have to *delete* 20 GBytes