Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Jason
So aside from the NFS debate, would this 2 tier approach work? I am a bit fuzzy on how I would get the RAIDZ2 redundancy but still present the volume to the VMware host as a raw device. Is that possible or is my understanding wrong? Also could it be defined as a clustered resource? -- This

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Jason wrote: So aside from the NFS debate, would this 2 tier approach work? I am a bit fuzzy on how I would get the RAIDZ2 redundancy but still present the volume to the VMware host as a raw device. Is that possible or is my understanding wrong? Also could

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Jason
True, though an enclosure for shared disks is expensive. This isn't for production but for me to explore what I can do with x86/x64 hardware. The idea being that I can just throw up another x86/x64 box to add more storage. Has anyone tried anything similar? -- This message posted from

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Jason wheelz...@hotmail.com wrote: True, though an enclosure for shared disks is expensive. This isn't for production but for me to explore what I can do with x86/x64 hardware. The idea being that I can just throw up another x86/x64 box to add more storage.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Jason wrote: True, though an enclosure for shared disks is expensive. This isn't for production but for me to explore what I can do with x86/x64 hardware. The idea being that I can just throw up another x86/x64 box to add more storage. Has anyone tried

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Jason
I guess I should come at it from the other side: If you have 1 iscsi target box and it goes down, you're dead in the water. If you have 2 iscsi target boxes that replicate and one dies, you are OK but you then have to have a 2:1 total storage to usable ratio (excluding expensive shared disks).

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Scott Meilicke
You are completely off your rocker :) No, just kidding. Assuming the virtual front-end servers are running on different hosts, and you are doing some sort of raid, you should be fine. Performance may be poor due to the inexpensive targets on the back end, but you probably know that. A while

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-09-01 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Jason wrote: I guess I should come at it from the other side: If you have 1 iscsi target box and it goes down, you're dead in the water. Yep. If you have 2 iscsi target boxes that replicate and one dies, you are OK but you then have to have a 2:1 total

[zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-08-31 Thread Jason
I've been looking to build my own cheap SAN to explore HA scenarios with VMware hosts, though not for a production environment. I'm new to opensolaris but I am familiar with other clustered HA systems. The features of ZFS seem like they would fit right in with attempting to build an HA

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-08-31 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Jason wheelz...@hotmail.com wrote: I've been looking to build my own cheap SAN to explore HA scenarios with VMware hosts, though not for a production environment. I'm new to opensolaris but I am familiar with other clustered HA systems. The features of ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-08-31 Thread Jason
Well, I knew a guy who was involved in a project to do just that for a production environment. Basically they abandoned using that because there was a huge performance hit using ZFS over NFS. I didn’t get the specifics but his group is usually pretty sharp. I’ll have to check back with him.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-08-31 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Jason wheelz...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I knew a guy who was involved in a project to do just that for a production environment. Basically they abandoned using that because there was a huge performance hit using ZFS over NFS. I didn’t get the specifics but

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-08-31 Thread Jason
Specifically I remember storage vmotion being supported on NFS last as well as jumbo frames. Just the impression I get from past features, perhaps they are doing better with that. I know the performance problem had specifically to do with ZFS and the way it handled something. I know lots of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS iSCSI Clustered for VMware Host use

2009-08-31 Thread David Magda
On Aug 31, 2009, at 17:29, Tim Cook wrote: I've got MASSIVE deployments of VMware on NFS over 10g that achieve stellar performance (admittedly, it isn't on zfs). Without a separate ZIL device NFS would probably be slower with NFS-- hence why Sun's own appliances use SSDs.