Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-25 Thread Bruno Sousa
Hi, Actually the idea of having the ZFS code inside a HW raid controllers does seems quite interesting. Imagine the possibility of having any OS with raid volumes backed by all the good aspects of the ZFS, specially the checksum and the raidz vs the raid5-write-hole thing... I also consider the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-25 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25.03.2010 04:13, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: I think the point is to say: ZFS software raid is both faster and more reliable than your hardware raid. Surprising

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
I think the point is to say: ZFS software raid is both faster and more reliable than your hardware raid. Surprising though it may be for a newcomer, I have statistics to back that up, Can you share it? Sure. Just go to http://nedharvey.com and you'll see four links on the left side,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
The bigger problem is that you have to script around a disk failure, as the array won't bring a non-redundant logicaldrive back online after a disk failure without being kicked (which is a good thing in general, but annoying for ZFS). I'd like to follow up on that point. Because until

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Dusan Radovanovic
Hello all, I am a complete newbie to OpenSolaris, and must to setup a ZFS NAS. I do have linux experience, but have never used ZFS. I have tried to install OpenSolaris Developer 134 on a 11TB HW RAID-5 virtual disk, but after the installation I can only use one 2TB disk, and I cannot partition

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Cook
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dusan Radovanovic dusa...@gmail.comwrote: Hello all, I am a complete newbie to OpenSolaris, and must to setup a ZFS NAS. I do have linux experience, but have never used ZFS. I have tried to install OpenSolaris Developer 134 on a 11TB HW RAID-5 virtual disk,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Carsten Aulbert
Hi On Wednesday 24 March 2010 17:01:31 Dusan Radovanovic wrote: connected to P212 controller in RAID-5. Could someone direct me or suggest what I am doing wrong. Any help is greatly appreciated. I don't know, but I would get around this like this: My suggestion would be to configure the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Karl Rossing
I believe that write caching is turned off on the boot drives or is it the controller or both? Which could be a big problem. On 03/24/10 11:07, Tim Cook wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dusan Radovanovic dusa...@gmail.com mailto:dusa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Dusan Radovanovic
Thank you all for your valuable experience and fast replies. I see your point and will create one virtual disk for the system and one for the storage pool. My RAID controller is battery backed up, so I'll leave write caching on. Thanks again, Dusan -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 24, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Karl Rossing wrote: I believe that write caching is turned off on the boot drives or is it the controller or both? By default, ZFS will not enable volatile write caches on disks for SMI labeled disk drives (eg boot). Which could be a big problem. Actually, it is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Svein Skogen
On 24.03.2010 17:42, Richard Elling wrote: Nonvolatile write caches are not a problem. Which is why ZFS isn't a replacement for proper array controllers (defining proper as those with sufficient battery to leave you with a seemingly intact filesystem), but a very nice augmentation for them.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 24, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Svein Skogen wrote: On 24.03.2010 17:42, Richard Elling wrote: Nonvolatile write caches are not a problem. Which is why ZFS isn't a replacement for proper array controllers (defining proper as those with sufficient battery to leave you with a seemingly intact

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
Thank you all for your valuable experience and fast replies. I see your point and will create one virtual disk for the system and one for the storage pool. My RAID controller is battery backed up, so I'll leave write caching on. I think the point is to say: ZFS software raid is both faster

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
Which is why ZFS isn't a replacement for proper array controllers (defining proper as those with sufficient battery to leave you with a seemingly intact filesystem), but a very nice augmentation for them. ;) Nothing prevents a clever chap from building a ZFS-based array controller which

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Karl Rossing
On 03/24/10 12:54, Richard Elling wrote: Nothing prevents a clever chap from building a ZFS-based array controller which includes nonvolatile write cache. +1 to that. Something that is inexpensive and small (4GB?) and works in a PCI express slot. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24.03.2010 19:53, Karl Rossing wrote: On 03/24/10 12:54, Richard Elling wrote: Nothing prevents a clever chap from building a ZFS-based array controller which includes nonvolatile write cache. +1 to that. Something that is inexpensive and

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 08:02:06PM +0100, Svein Skogen wrote: Maybe someone should look at implementing the zfs code for the XScale range of io-processors (such as the IOP333)? NetBSD runs on (many of) those. NetBSD has an (in-progress, still-some-issues) ZFS port. Hopefully they will converge

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: I think the point is to say:  ZFS software raid is both faster and more reliable than your hardware raid.  Surprising though it may be for a newcomer, I have statistics to back that up, Can you share it? You

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Carson Gaspar
Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: I think the point is to say: ZFS software raid is both faster and more reliable than your hardware raid. Surprising though it may be for a newcomer, I have statistics to back that up,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Carson Gaspar
Carson Gaspar wrote: Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: I think the point is to say: ZFS software raid is both faster and more reliable than your hardware raid. Surprising though it may be for a newcomer, I have statistics

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on a 11TB HW RAID-5 controller

2010-03-24 Thread Carson Gaspar
Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Carson Gaspar car...@taltos.org wrote: Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: You will do best if you configure the raid controller to JBOD. Problem: HP's storage controller doesn't support that mode. It does, ish. It forces you to create a bunch of