Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-21 Thread Moshe Vainer
PS: For data that you want to mostly archive, consider using Amazon Web Services (AWS) S3 service. Right now there is no charge to push data into the cloud and its $0.15/gigabyte to keep it there. Do a quick (back of the napkin) calculation on what storage you can get for $30/month and factor in

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 02:11:31PM -0800, Moshe Vainer wrote: PS: For data that you want to mostly archive, consider using Amazon Web Services (AWS) S3 service. Right now there is no charge to push data into the cloud and its $0.15/gigabyte to keep it there. Do a quick (back of the napkin)

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 06 January, 2010 - Thomas Burgess sent me these 5,8K bytes: I think the confusing part is that the 64gb version seems to use a different controller all together It does. I couldn't find any SNV125-S2/40's in stock so i got 3 SNV125-S2/64's thinking it would be the same,m only

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.org wrote: On Wed, Jan  6 at 14:56, Tristan Ball wrote: For those searching list archives, the SNV125-S2/40GB given below is not based on the Intel controller. I queried Kingston directly about this because there appears

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Dan Pritts
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 08:33:23PM -0600, Al Hopper wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Thomas Burgess wonsl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm PRETTY sure the kingston drives i ordered are as good/better i just didnt' know that they weren't good enough I disagree that those drives are good

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Thomas Burgess
meandering off topic here ... i use one of those 64G kingston jmicron/toshiba drives in my mac. The stuttering problems attributed to the older jmicron drives are non-existent with this one in my experience. This is great news. I've read this but it's good to know that someone on the list

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-06 Thread Tristan Ball
Having gotten back to the Rep and asked further questions, I'm forced to agree - the rep doesn't know what they're talking about. It does look like the Intel based 40G Kinsgston may not yet be available in australia. What a drag. :-) T On 6/01/2010 10:46 PM, Al Hopper wrote: On Tue, Jan

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Mon, Jan 4 at 22:01, Thomas Burgess wrote: I guess i got some bad advice then I was told the kingston snv125-s2 used almost the exact same hardware as an x25-m and should be considered the poor mans x25-m ... Right, i couldn't find any of the 40 gb's in stock so i ordered the 64

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Thomas Burgess
The SNV125-S2/40GB is the half an X25-M drive which can be often found as a bare OEM drive for about $85 w/ rebate. Kingston does sell rebranded Intel SLC drives as well, but under a different model number: SNE-125S2/32 or SNE-125S2/64. I don't believe the 64GB Kingston MLC (SNV-125S2/64)

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chris Du dilid...@gmail.com wrote: You can use the utility to erase all blocks and regain performance, but it's a manual process and quite complex. Windows 7 support TRIM, if SSD firmware also supports it, the process is run in the background so you will not notice performance degrade. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Tristan Ball
-Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Eric D. Mudama Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2010 7:35 PM To: Thomas Burgess Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Wed, Jan 6 at 14:56, Tristan Ball wrote: For those searching list archives, the SNV125-S2/40GB given below is not based on the Intel controller. I queried Kingston directly about this because there appears to be so much confusion (and I'm considering using these drives!), and I got back

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-05 Thread Thomas Burgess
I think the confusing part is that the 64gb version seems to use a different controller all together I couldn't find any SNV125-S2/40's in stock so i got 3 SNV125-S2/64's thinking it would be the same,m only bigger.looks like it was stupid on my part. now i understand why i got such a good

[zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
I'm not 100% sure i'm going to need a separate SSD for my ZIL but if i did want to look for one, i was wondering if anyone could suggest/recommend a few budget options. My current hardware is something like this: intel core2quad 9550 8 gb ddr2 800 unbuffered ECC 3 AOC-SAT2-MV8 controllers 21

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 4, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Thomas Burgess wrote: I'm not 100% sure i'm going to need a separate SSD for my ZIL but if i did want to look for one, i was wondering if anyone could suggest/ recommend a few budget options. Start with zilstat, which will help you determine if your workload

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
slightly outside of my price range. I'll either do without or wait till they drop in priceis there a second best option or is this pretty much it? On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Chris Du dilid...@gmail.com wrote: You need SLC SSD for ZIL. The only SLC SSD I'd recommend is Intel X25-E.

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Menno Lageman
On 01/04/10 19:35, Thomas Burgess wrote: slightly outside of my price range. I'll either do without or wait till they drop in priceis there a second best option or is this pretty much it? I guess it depends on your workload and your performance expectations/requirements vs budget. For

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 4, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Thomas Burgess wrote: slightly outside of my price range. I'll either do without or wait till they drop in priceis there a second best option or is this pretty much it? If you need the separate log, then you can figure the relative latency gain for

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread tom wagner
Myself and others had good luck with the OCZ vertex. I use two 30GB versions and they have very high write and read throughputs for such a cheap MLC. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
I'm PRETTY sure the kingston drives i ordered are as good/better i just didnt' know that they weren't good enough Basically, if i have 3 raidz2 groups or 4 raidz groups with a total of 20 7200 RPM drives is using a cheaper MLC drive going to make things WORSE? thanks for the idea though, i may

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Chris Du
They are fast when they are new. Once all the blocks are written, performance degrades significantly. SLC will also degrade over time, but when it needs to erase blocks and rewrite, it is much faster than MLC. That's why for ZIL, SLC SSD is prefered. It's possible to remove MLC ZIL and use

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
so are you saying that the degrading problem with ssd's can be fixed completely with such a utility? Don't they STILL wear out and become more or less broken after heavy use On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Chris Du dilid...@gmail.com wrote: They are fast when they are new. Once all the

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Chris Du
You can use the utility to erase all blocks and regain performance, but it's a manual process and quite complex. Windows 7 support TRIM, if SSD firmware also supports it, the process is run in the background so you will not notice performance degrade. I don't think any other OS supports TRIM.

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread tom wagner
Fast is a relative term, because even after the first write to the end, they are still really fast for a small server and the latency is still low 1ms which is often more important than throughput. The topic said poor mans slog. The vertexes can be had for $100 and the vertex turbo a little

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Al Hopper
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Thomas Burgess wonsl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm PRETTY sure the kingston drives i ordered are as good/better i just didnt' know that they weren't good enough I disagree that those drives are good enough. That particular drive uses the dreaded JMicron controller -

Re: [zfs-discuss] need a few suggestions for a poor man's ZIL/SLOG device

2010-01-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
I disagree that those drives are good enough. That particular drive uses the dreaded JMicron controller - which has a really bad reputation. And a poor reputation that it *earned* and deserves. Even though these drives use a newer revision of the original JMicron part (that basically sucks)