Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-26 Thread Attila Mravik
Since this is a SSD you're talking about, unless you have enabled nonvolatile write cache on that disk (which you should never do), and the disk incorrectly handles cache flush commands (which it should never do), then the supercap is irrelevant.  All ZIL writes are to be done synchronously.

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-26 Thread Richard Elling
On May 26, 2010, at 4:12 AM, Attila Mravik wrote: If your ZIL does use nonvolatile cache and does not honor flush requests then a powerloss is the same as loosing the ZIL altogether since it will not have the data saved for a playback. This is not a correct statement. Those are two different

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas Williams I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.comwrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas Williams I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Thomas Burgess [mailto:wonsl...@gmail.com] Just dataloss. WRONG! I didn't ask about losing my zil. I asked about power loss taking out my pool. As I recall: I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is,

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Thomas Burgess wrote: It's a sandforce sf-1500 model but without a supercapheres some info on it: Maximum Performance * Max Read: up to 270MB/s * Max Write: up to 250MB/s * Sustained Write: up to 235MB/s * Random Write 4k: 15,000 IOPS * Max 4k IOPS: 50,000

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
At least to me, this was not clearly not asking about losing zil and was not clearly asking about power loss. Sorry for answering the question you thought you didn't ask. I was only responding to your response of WRONG!!! The guy wasn't wrong in regards to my questions. I'm sorry for

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Mon, 24 May 2010, Thomas Burgess wrote: It's a sandforce sf-1500 model but without a supercapheres some info on it: Maximum Performance * Max Read: up to 270MB/s * Max Write: up to 250MB/s

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
Also, let me note, it came with a 3 year warranty so I expect it to last at least 3 years...but if it doesn't, i'll just return it under the warranty. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Thomas Burgess wonsl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Bob Friesenhahn

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 25 May 2010, Thomas Burgess wrote: The Apollo reentry vehicle was able to reach amazing speeds, but only for a single use. What exactly do you mean?  What I mean is what I said. A set of specifications which are all written as maximums (i.e. peak) is pretty useless. Perhaps if

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Thomas Burgess [mailto:wonsl...@gmail.com] I might be somewhat confused to how the ZIL works but i thought the point of the ZIL was to pretend a write actually happened when it may not have actually been flushed to disk yet... No. How the ZIL works is like this: Whenever a process

[zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Thomas Burgess
I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss occursis it just dataloss or is it pool loss? also, does the fact that i have a UPS matter? the

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 05:48:56PM -0400, Thomas Burgess wrote: I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss occursis it just dataloss or is

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Erik Trimble
On 5/24/2010 2:48 PM, Thomas Burgess wrote: I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss occursis it just dataloss or is it pool loss? ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 5/24/2010 2:48 PM, Thomas Burgess wrote: I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) Not familiar with that model It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss occursis it just

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Thomas Burgess
ZFS is always consistent on-disk, by design. Loss of the ZIL will result in loss of the data in the ZIL which hasn't been flushed out to the hard drives, but otherwise, the data on the hard drives is consistent and uncorrupted. This is what i thought. I have read this list on and off

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Thomas Burgess
Not familiar with that model It's a sandforce sf-1500 model but without a supercapheres some info on it: Maximum Performance - Max Read: up to 270MB/s - Max Write: up to 250MB/s - Sustained Write: up to 235MB/s - Random Write 4k: 15,000 IOPS - Max 4k IOPS: 50,000